Tyler Thornburg traded to Boston for 3B Travis Shaw, SS Mauricio Dubon, RHP Josh Pennington, SS Yeison Coca

[Jenkins5]

Give the kid Lara's spot tomorrow.

 

Probably more of a joke but Brewers can send him back to Helena and let him experience some success. Lol kid is so young but due to the bonus people act like Miguel Cabrera or bust for him... He is only 19 and Brewers have been very aggressive with him. He will be fine. Some guys take longer (check Jake Gatewood who people were dropping and giving up on like crazy). Erceg has not been good in Carolina at 22 so far...[sarcasm].Maybe Coca can play 3b and replace him[/sarcasm]

 

Sorry for little rant, all the hate this year on a 19 year old kid struggling in Wisconsin bugs me. Once Helena starts he will be back down and hopefully make the needed adjustments to tap into his potential.

 

Back on topic....Man this trade could turn out great for us! Keep dealing DS!

[rcc]

Travis Shaw was a ninth round selection by the Red Sox. He has always worked hard to get where he's at and has done very well this year.

 

Stearns made the trade. The Red Sox fans and broadcasters wish he was still there. The overpaid Sandoval hasn't lived up to his contract. The Red Sox chose Sandoval over Shaw for their 2017 third baseman because of that contract. If they were to have released Sandoval they would have owed him around $90 million for the life of that contract. So they hoped he would get in shape and play well.

 

I'm glad Travis has done well for the Crew and I'm sure CC and Stearns are happy with that trade because of Shaw and the others.

 

When Thornburg finally makes his appearance for the Sox I wish him well too. But I still believe the Crew won that trade no matter what he does.

[jjfanec]

Saying he wasn't the center piece was reference to his value being perceived less than that of Mauricio Dubon. Comparing Hader/Santana to Phillips(a #30ish) prospect at the time would be an inaccurate comparison.

 

No one is saying he was the centerpiece but you stated the Brewers didn't think much of him which is inaccurate. Hader wasn't a great comparison but Santana probably is. Santana was the 3rd or 4th piece in that deal. Well behind even Hader to most. Shaw and Santana had both spent a little time at the mlb level and some thought they projected more as backup guys. The Brewers thought enough of both and have been proven right by both.

 

I am not arguing against what you are currently saying. It it what you said at first which was completely off base and you tried act like it wasn't what you said. Enough of the debate though.

 

Here is to Thornburg getting healthy and the Brewers pieces all continuing to improve

[monty57]

It is an amazing trade for the Brewers, but keep in mind that with a healthy Thornburg instead of Feliz, the Brewers might be 5 games up in the Central. Highly effective relievers are valuable. A few years from now it might seem like a good idea for the Brewers to be on the other end of this type of trade.

 

re the bolded part: It's impossible to know what other moves would have been made, but I doubt that we'd be five games up in the Central if we had Thornburg but didn't have Shaw.

 

This trade looks to be a no-brainer "win" for the Brewers. I hope Thornburg can get healthy and pitch well, but even if he does, I doubt he'll add nearly as much value to the Red Sox as we will have received in return.

 

I hope that if the market for relievers remains as hot as it is presently, that we will not make trades like this. Teams are giving up far too much for relievers. Fortunately I believe that like most things, the market will eventually cool down. Also, I believe that with the number of talented pitchers we have in the system, we will have a fairly stocked bullpen in the future as some of the guys who are currently minor league starters will make it to the majors as relievers.

 

My final note on this trade: this shows how Stearns is treating this "rebuild." He's adding talent wherever possible, whether that's adding an 18-year old for the Rookie leagues, or adding a young MLB third baseman whose value is down. He's trading the "hot commodity" for undervalued pieces in order to garner excess value, and that has made our system much better very quickly.

[gregmag]

Yeah, this deal is exactly why I want to avoid trading for marquee relievers.

 

The notion that we'd be five up with TT . . . That would mean he'd be having one of the great relief seasons in MLB history. We also wouldn't have Shaw.

[Point Beer Is Best]

The Brewers thought highly of Shaw. They knew his left handed power and versatility would play well at Miller Park. Stearns has said so himself on a radio podcast.

 

http://www.csnne.com/boston-red-sox/milwaukee-brewers-gm-david-stearns-says-tyler-thornburg-healthy-when-traded-to-boston-red-sox?s_campaign=108stitches:newsletter

 

In case you missed it upthread.

 

Don't be so quick to assume anything you know nothing about.

 

Haha actually I didn't assume anything so calm down. First off nothing in that interview said they thought highly of him. It mentions a few things they liked about him. I remember earlier on it was mentioned the Brewers actually didn't even bring up Travis Shaw in trade talks it was the Boston Red Sox. It was also mentioned Travis Shaw wasn't the main piece in the deal it was Mauricio Dubon.

 

I am sure the Brewers liked him, but I don't think the Brewers could have ever imagined a guy on his way to a 3 WAR season. Sounded more like maybe he could be a starter if given the chance, but probably a versatile bench bat.

 

I don't have the time to find the article, but I distinctly remember Stearns saying in an interview that as he was leaving the Winter meetings he had approached Dombrowski and said something to the effect, "Actually, I wanted to talk to you about Travis Shaw." He was certainly a player that Stearns coveted.

[billymac]

Yes,

 

On the way out of the meetings, Milwaukee GM David Stearns touched base with Dombrowski.

 

“[stearns] said, ‘Dave, I know you asked me about Thornburg. We have interest in Travis Shaw. Maybe there could be a foundation, but it wouldn’t be one for one,’ ” recalled Dombrowski. “I said, ‘Well, it would be something we’d be interested in talking about.’ ”

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2016/12/10/how-chris-sale-deal-came-about/y54iJcIAj4vtbDvRb8LLLP/story.html

[monty57]

Yes,

 

On the way out of the meetings, Milwaukee GM David Stearns touched base with Dombrowski.

 

“[stearns] said, ‘Dave, I know you asked me about Thornburg. We have interest in Travis Shaw. Maybe there could be a foundation, but it wouldn’t be one for one,’ ” recalled Dombrowski. “I said, ‘Well, it would be something we’d be interested in talking about.’ ”

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2016/12/10/how-chris-sale-deal-came-about/y54iJcIAj4vtbDvRb8LLLP/story.html

 

Good. That shows he targeted a player who looks to be a long-term solution for a hole in the lineup, knew what it would take to get him, and was able to add a lot more value to the club in terms of prospects. Keep it up David!

[rcc]

Thanks for that Boston Globe article.

[Humans Need Water]

In my circles this was a great trade the day it happened regardless of how Thornburg performed. Shaw's the same player he's been with Boston.

 

2015 (25yr old rookie)

65 games played on season - 270/327/813 (BA/OBP/OPS)

Through first 54 games was 293/360/890

 

2016 (26yr old first full season and took job from Panda in spring)

Through May - 292/358/866

Through June - 265/329/788 (huge slump month but not uncommon for first full season)

Through July 7 - 274/336/801 (first week bounced back hitting 7-20, 4 doubles, HR)

*Aaron Hill acquired on July 7 and started the next night - it went downhill from there

 

2017 (27yr old entering prime)

present day - 298/352/886

 

Defensively he's been widely regarded as a very solid 3b but offensively I'm not sure why people are quite surprised by his production given he's right in line with what he's done previously. He's the same player. Especially when he leaves Fenway and comes to a slightly more hitter friendly park in general but a much more hitter friendly park for lefty power hitters. Post-Hill acquisition I pay no attention to given his stated reasons for his collapse, which don't speak to his skill set/ability. It speaks to him being mentally drained, uncertain of his standing in the org and ultimately needing a change of scenery due to the lack of belief and faith in him from Boston.

 

After already using Jeffress (plus Lucroy) and Smith to land Top 60 overall prospects in Brinson, Ortiz, Bickford he correctly used his last big pen piece in Thornburg to land his long-term starting 3b with 5yrs of cheap control while also adding a great middle IF prospect in Dubon (who possesses excellent bat to ball skills, which this team sorely lacks, speed on the bases and will stick at either SS or 2b), Pennington (big arm who would have been drafted in the Top 10 rounds if not for TJ) and now Coca (has the feel of a younger, thinner Dubon). If he brought back a Top 100 instead of Shaw then our 3b option would be Villar (with Scooter at 2b) or Perez and neither are viable full time options there. There were no great 3b options on the FA market as well. Replacing the Top 100 with Shaw was very calculated and very smart.

[MoreTrife]

Shaw back on "Family Emergency Leave". Phillips back up.

[billymac]

Shaw back on "Family Emergency Leave". Phillips back up.

 

Man I hope his baby and wife are ok...

[rcc]

I hope so too.

[Greenleaf1]

Thornburg having surgery, out for the year: http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2017/6/15/15812222/red-sox-tyler-thornburg-out-for-season

 

So the Brewers have traded 3 back end bullpen arms over the last season and a half. Smith/Thornburg will miss all of 2017 (Smith might even miss more), and Jeffress has certainly had his own issues on and off the field since being traded.

 

Looks like we've certainly maximized value for all of those guys so far. Also speaks to how uncertain bullpen arms can be.

[trwi7]

Thornburg having surgery, out for the year: http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2017/6/15/15812222/red-sox-tyler-thornburg-out-for-season

 

So the Brewers have traded 3 back end bullpen arms over the last season and a half. Smith/Thornburg will miss all of 2017 (Smith might even miss more), and Jeffress has certainly had his own issues on and off the field since being traded.

 

Looks like we've certainly maximized value for all of those guys so far. Also speaks to how uncertain bullpen arms can be.

 

Can you just put this in every thread on the trade board that has the Brewers trading for a reliever?

[newrivervalley]

Thank all I'm not a general manager.

[adambr2]

Thornburg having surgery, out for the year: http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2017/6/15/15812222/red-sox-tyler-thornburg-out-for-season

 

So the Brewers have traded 3 back end bullpen arms over the last season and a half. Smith/Thornburg will miss all of 2017 (Smith might even miss more), and Jeffress has certainly had his own issues on and off the field since being traded.

 

Looks like we've certainly maximized value for all of those guys so far. Also speaks to how uncertain bullpen arms can be.

 

Can you just put this in every thread on the trade board that has the Brewers trading for a reliever?

 

I am ok with trading for a reliever...provided it is one of those reclamation projects where we essentially give up nothing.

 

How about Feliz for Jeffress straight up? Both teams get something for something they don't want, and both players go back to somewhere familiar where they've had success. Could be a win win for both sides.

[pacopete4]

I've seen Feliz for Jeffress a couple times now but we assume that they would want Feliz back. Feels doubtful. Doesn't mean we couldn't get back Jeffress though.

[adambr2]

I've seen Feliz for Jeffress a couple times now but we assume that they would want Feliz back. Feels doubtful. Doesn't mean we couldn't get back Jeffress though.

 

Maybe not, but I don't know who else I would send them. Maybe Peralta. They can't possibly expect anything of real value in return.

[pacopete4]

I've seen Feliz for Jeffress a couple times now but we assume that they would want Feliz back. Feels doubtful. Doesn't mean we couldn't get back Jeffress though.

 

Maybe not, but I don't know who else I would send them. Maybe Peralta. They can't possibly expect anything of real value in return.

 

Could it just be money? I don't know. Peralta possibly depending on what they view him as.

[CheezWizHed]

2015 (25yr old rookie)

65 games played on season - 270/327/813 (BA/OBP/OPS)

Through first 54 games was 293/360/890

 

2016 (26yr old first full season and took job from Panda in spring)

Through May - 292/358/866

Through June - 265/329/788 (huge slump month but not uncommon for first full season)

Through July 7 - 274/336/801 (first week bounced back hitting 7-20, 4 doubles, HR)

*Aaron Hill acquired on July 7 and started the next night - it went downhill from there

 

2017 (27yr old entering prime)

present day - 298/352/886

 

That is some advanced GM planning right there:

Step 1: Identify player we would like to acquire

Step 2: Trade another player to said team and sabotage the target player's season

Step 3: Pillage said team with a second trade.

[Manty Brewer Fan]

After seeing how little relievers went for this hot stove season, this move looks even more brilliant.

[MrTPlush]

After seeing how little relievers went for this hot stove season, this move looks even more brilliant.

 

Who was the comparable reliever traded that makes this move brilliant? Also are you looking at the value we got when it happened or now that Shaw has produced? I don't think a reliever as good as Thornburg with the control was traded.

[And That]

Who was the comparable reliever traded that makes this move brilliant?

That there wasn't one traded might make it brilliant. Teams weren't willing to pay up for top end, relievers who were controllable at all at the trade deadline - they were last offseason, at least in the this case.

[burnzy24]

Teams weren't willing to pay up for top end, relievers who were controllable at all at the trade deadline - they were last offseason, at least in the this case.

 

I wonder if the Brewers were the cause of this. I think it was San Diego that wanted a "Will Smith" return for Brad Hand and yet today he is still on the team. Im guessing teams were looking at what the Brewers got for Smith, Thornburg and Jeffries last year and how all three have done this year and had second thoughts.