2016-2017 Green Bay Packers Thread

[MrTPlush]

Shockingly, Gruden just hit the nail on the head with the D. No pass rush, backups in secondary. One can be attributed to coaching, but the other could be coaching just as much as an excuse.

 

Horrid defensive backs along with an average pass rush make that defense pretty brutal. The pass rush wouldn't be a major sticking point if the defensive backs could at least pretend to cover recievers for just a moment. They have no time to shed blocks most of the time.

[craigharmann]

Shockingly, Gruden just hit the nail on the head with the D. No pass rush, backups in secondary. One can be attributed to coaching, but the other could be coaching just as much as an excuse.

 

Horrid defensive backs along with an average pass rush make that defense pretty brutal. The pass rush wouldn't be a major sticking point if the defensive backs could at least pretend to cover recievers for just a moment. They have no time to shed blocks most of the time.

 

Yep. And it all starts with coaching. I'm hoping they win tonight, but Philly has a good offense. Next week, if they can't beat the Texans, Capers needs to go as soon as the game is over.

[MrTPlush]

Shockingly, Gruden just hit the nail on the head with the D. No pass rush, backups in secondary. One can be attributed to coaching, but the other could be coaching just as much as an excuse.

 

Horrid defensive backs along with an average pass rush make that defense pretty brutal. The pass rush wouldn't be a major sticking point if the defensive backs could at least pretend to cover recievers for just a moment. They have no time to shed blocks most of the time.

 

Yep. And it all starts with coaching. I'm hoping they win tonight, but Philly has a good offense. Next week, if they can't beat the Texans, Capers needs to go as soon as the game is over.

 

Well I guess it depends how the defense does. I do agree you can only blame the injuries so much. Yes the injuries are why this team isn't going to the playoffs, but giving up 30+ point for a third of a season straight? Yah I don't know that is pretty brutal.

 

Something that hasn't got a ton of attention in the recent struggle is the offensive line. Like everywhere else on the team injuries have taken their toll and they have not helped the cause very much.

 

With all the hate for the coaching beautiful gameplan and execution on the first drive right there.

[craigharmann]

And for as awesome as the first drive offensively was, that was putrid D.

[FVBrewerFan]

Packers defense is basically the Washington Generals. Just putting guys out there meant to be scored on. Scenery.

[MrTPlush]

What an absolute idiot on that punt. Its embarassing that was even close to being a touchback.

[MrTPlush]

Well the Packers slim playoff hopes get a little boost tonight. Not sure how much to give the defense credit going against a pretty dismal Eagles offense. Still holding a team to 13 points is something. They didn't play very well, but got the stops and thats all that is important. The offense however looked really really good tonight.

 

Looking ahead Texans is a favorable match up at home with their dismal offense, then a game vs. the Seahawks could be favorable at home the way their offense looks like at times, and after that they play the Bears.

 

I wouldn't bet on it, but there is a path if Rodgers plays like he did tonight and the defense can hold it together.

[FVBrewerFan]

Yea, credit where credit is due. They played with focus and urgency. Offense was crisp. Shouldn't have taken 4-6 start to play that way, we'll see if it continues.

[craigharmann]

Well the Packers slim playoff hopes get a little boost tonight. Not sure how much to give the defense credit going against a pretty dismal Eagles offense. Still holding a team to 13 points is something. They didn't play very well, but got the stops and thats all that is important. The offense however looked really really good tonight.

 

Looking ahead Texans is a favorable match up at home with their dismal offense, then a game vs. the Seahawks could be favorable at home the way their offense looks like at times, and after that they play the Bears.

 

I wouldn't bet on it, but there is a path if Rodgers plays like he did tonight and the defense can hold it together.

 

They did something on D that I hadn't seen for a while. They got pressure. If that keeps up, that will help immensely!

[pacopete4]

The defense only gave up 13 points on the road in Philly. Philly was leading the league in points at home. Gotta give them credit for sticking their nose in there and keeping this game out of reach even if Philly is banged up at the receiver position, they still played better.

[FVBrewerFan]

Yea Philly's OLine was beat up, and had virtually no WR. That said, as I said earlier, credit where credit is due. I don't in any way think they turned some sort of magical corner either. When healthy, this is an average/mediocre NFL defense. Which means they will have good games, and games they will get torched against better offenses. Bottom line, they're going to need more turnovers.

[MrTPlush]

Well the positive side to that is the fact they don't play anymore strong offenses. Actually most of them are pretty poor offenses with scrub QBs.

[pacopete4]

If they play like the did against Philly, they will win the division.

[MrTPlush]

Notable both the Vikings/Lions both have to play the Cowboys...the Lions have to go on the road for both the Cowboys and Giants, ouch.

[jerichoholicninja]

Notable both the Vikings/Lions both have to play the Cowboys...the Lions have to go on the road for both the Cowboys and Giants, ouch.

 

Vikings are toast. Bradford has finally been revealed to be what he is - an average QB at best. A great defense can carry you if you have an adequate offense ala the Broncos last year but their O-line is the worst in football and the running game isn't much better than the Packer's. Even if Peterson is able to come back this year he was not good before he got hurt and the line is worse. I'm not sure what to except from Detroit. Are they actually a first place team or are they just the benefactors of a crappy division?

[MrTPlush]

I'm not sure what to except from Detroit. Are they actually a first place team or are they just the benefactors of a crappy division?

 

Benefactors of a lot of close games falling their way.

 

They have close wins over the Vikings twice(coming after the Vikings nosedived), the Rams(yikes), and the Jaguars. They then have losses to the Titans, Bears(woah), and Texans. That is pretty bad and their overall schedule is about as easy as it can get. They have had zero dominating wins this year. They all have been nailbiters against not so great opponents for the most part.

 

Not saying the Packers are any better, but the Lions are not a very good team themselves. Definitely not 7-3 material.

[jerichoholicninja]

Are players not taught to wrap your arms when tackling anymore. I remember when I first played football in 7th grade I was taught to put my shoulder pad on the ball carriers thigh pad and wrap my arms around his legs. 99% of the tackles I see are a defender just throwing his body at the ball carrier. And at least 25% of the time they just bounce off.

[FVBrewerFan]

It's strange. Proper tackling is still taught in youth leagues and HS. I've coached both, and "head up" is preached in every single practice, especially in pop Warner.

 

Oddly, if gets worse in college and then worse yet in the NFL. Never understood why. I know they don't practice much anymore, but not wrapping up has been around for a long time, so I don't buy that reason.

[DHonks]

Really hoping for the Saints to win this weekend. Stafford has been awesome in the 4th quarter much of his career, and this year has been an extension of that.

[RobDeer 45]

I think a lot of the tackling form issues comes from fear/hesitation/protecting an injury. A smaller player coming up to tackle a big powerful dude is not for everyone. Some of these guys are paid for other skills, other than tackling. Sometimes it's just survival. When you form tackle a big guy, you are exposing much more of your body, especially your shoulders. I really don't think it's as easy as people think. When that RB is coming down hill full speed and has his shoulder pads and helmet low, protecting most of his body, you don't have a lot of options unless you are just as big. Even then you're going to get a helmet in your chest. I think it's natural to put your head down.

[pacopete4]

Are players not taught to wrap your arms when tackling anymore. I remember when I first played football in 7th grade I was taught to put my shoulder pad on the ball carriers thigh pad and wrap my arms around his legs. 99% of the tackles I see are a defender just throwing his body at the ball carrier. And at least 25% of the time they just bounce off.

 

 

As much as Pete Carroll annoys me, this is about as good as it gets to how it should be taught how to tackle.

 

[pacopete4]

Nice W today. Back to .500 with a shot at the Wildcard and NFC North. Obviously need some help though.

[DHonks]

Nice to know we have some control over our destiny. If we go 4-0, we'd gain a minimum of 1 game on the Lions. Lions face cowboys, giants, packers, and the bears.

[MrTPlush]

If the Packers win out these are their scenarios:

 

#1 Division- The Packers would win the division if the Lions lose another game outside of the loss to the Packers.

 

#2 WC- The Packers would take a wild card spot if the Redskins lose one more and the Buccaneers lose two more(from my calculations the Bucs win a tiebreaker).

 

#3 WC- If the Giants lose two more games and the Redskins lose at least one as the Packers have the tiebreaker over them.

 

Obviously there are a few other situations, but they would take a wild turn of events that aren't very realistic. One important thing to note is the Lions/Giants play a game against eachother so one of those teams is assured a loss right there. Both of Jose teams also have the Cowboys on the schedule still to come.

 

If the Packers were to win out it would be quite likely the dominos would fall elsewhere to pave the way for a playoff spot. The downside is the Packers can't really afford a loss at this point.

[fondybrewfan]

If they win this weekend against Seattle they probably make the playoffs. A home game against a reeling Viking team, a road game against a terrible Bears team, and likely a winner take all road game against Detroit. Seattle is by far the toughest of the 3. If we lose Detroit will need to lose to both NY and Dallas. That's possible but I don't want to pin my playoff hopes on Eli Manning.