2016-2017 Green Bay Packers Thread

[fondybrewfan]

If all they do is re-sign Perry and lose everyone else of consequence and not sign anyone of consequence this will be a colossal failure by TT. Hopefully he at least keeps Lang and Cook in GB. If he doesn't sign those guys they have like $30 Million in cap room and probably won't use hardly any of it.

[patrickgpe]

well on jsonline yesterday there was an article that they will probably use most of it; i'll guess Perry got 12MM, packers will pay out about 7 million in roster bonuses today (http://tinyurl.com/hw9scev), thats almost half of the 35MM they have right there. I'll guess that they do indeed sign Cook OR Lang and if they sign House and sign their draft picks, i think that is all of their cap space.

[FVBrewerFan]

No way will Perry count $12MM on the cap this year, I would guess half of that. Remember, the signing bonus is pro-rated over the whole length of the contract. Edit: As it turns out $5MM against cap this yr

[brewcrewdue80]

5 years is extreme. I dont mind resigning him. But 3years would have been my limit.

fwiw top S, Cb were signed and franchised respectively.

A number more of top FAs were Franchised too. That was to my knowledge a few days ago. So I dunno how the top availables stand. But my personal top 2 targets arent available.

[pacopete4]

I would be all for the Packers signing a top CB in free agency if there was one out there. Just not sure there is. It's where the draft and develop comes into play.

[FVBrewerFan]

5 years is extreme. I dont mind resigning him. But 3years would have been my limit.

fwiw top S, Cb were signed and franchised respectively.

A number more of top FAs were Franchised too. That was to my knowledge a few days ago. So I dunno how the top availables stand. But my personal top 2 targets arent available.

 

The way the contract is structured, it's basically a 3 year deal if the Packers want out after that.

[patrickgpe]

No way will Perry count $12MM on the cap this year, I would guess half of that. Remember, the signing bonus is pro-rated over the whole length of the contract. Edit: As it turns out $5MM against cap this yr

 

cap hits per Hirschhorn

As a result, the salary cap hits for the five years of this deal are as follows:

 

2017: $6 million

2018: $10.9 million

2019: $14.7 million

2020: $14.3 million

2021: $14.1 million

[Thurston Fluff]

While that is high for what he did so far they are paying for what he is going to do. Projecting that is a bit tricky with Perry. This was the first relatively healthy season he's had and he did well in both pass rush and run defense. A guy with pass rush skills and can play the run pretty well is worth what they are paying. As long as he can stay on the field. Something both he and Matthes have had their share of trouble doing. It's one thing to have a guy in a position group that is injury prone but two key members is harder to deal with.

[bjkrautk]

Just when you think the Packers' secondary can't get any worse, Micah Hyde is a Buffalo Bill.

 

(I don't like the Perry deal, because I have my doubts he'll be healthy and on the field for the next 5 seasons.)

[GAME05]

So JC Tretter is on the Browns now, huh?

 

I don't entirely hate the Perry deal. We're desperate for anyone to rush the QB since Matthews isn't doing it so much anymore. But I'm also assuming he'll be a cap cut in two or three years, too.

 

"Just when you think the Packers' secondary can't get any worse, Micah Hyde is a Buffalo Bill."

 

Ah, nothing to worry about. We'll just get ourselves a lumbering 6th rounder, give him a ton of playing time, and act like nothing happened.

[homer]

Hyde is slow and will more than likely not out play this contract.

[LouisEly]

Just when you think the Packers' secondary can't get any worse, Micah Hyde is a Buffalo Bill.

 

(I don't like the Perry deal, because I have my doubts he'll be healthy and on the field for the next 5 seasons.)

Agreed on Perry. He's a talent when he's healthy, but it seems he never is 100%. Even last year, his legs finally were healthy and then he breaks his hand.

 

The Packers are really high on Kentrell Brice and Marwin Evans, and I think they think Brice right now is 95% of the player Hyde is/was for a fraction of the cost, and with another year of development can be as good or better. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Randall's days as a corner are over and he moves back to safety or into Hyde's hybrid role. It's also a bumper crop year for CB and S in the draft. I would not be surprised at all if they take two corners.

[monkeyman343434]

Just when you think the Packers' secondary can't get any worse, Micah Hyde is a Buffalo Bill.

 

(I don't like the Perry deal, because I have my doubts he'll be healthy and on the field for the next 5 seasons.)

Agreed on Perry. He's a talent when he's healthy, but it seems he never is 100%. Even last year, his legs finally were healthy and then he breaks his hand.

 

The Packers are really high on Kentrell Brice and Marwin Evans, and I think they think Brice right now is 95% of the player Hyde is/was for a fraction of the cost, and with another year of development can be as good or better. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Randall's days as a corner are over and he moves back to safety or into Hyde's hybrid role. It's also a bumper crop year for CB and S in the draft. I would not be surprised at all if they take two corners.

 

I completely agree with your comments about Brice being almost as good as Hyde right now, and that it's a great year for CB and S in the draft. I however don't think this solves all the backfield issues. I don't think Rollins or Randall all of a sudden step up and be a CB1, and I don't think anyone the Packers will draft at #29 will be capable of being a CB1 either. That leaves them without a CB1 for 2017 and will continue to get torched against good, playoff teams, just like what happened vs Atlanta a few months ago. They had the cap room to go out and one of the top ranked DBs, but they didn't do it. Also, at the same time as not shoring up the DBs, they've allows more talent to leave and have not brought any back in. Changes need to be made in the front office soon. There's no reason to have 2 of the 5 highest paid 3-4 edge rushers that were both on the team last year, on a defense that frankly was not all that good. I'm just so frustrated that they clearly have a window of the next three years with Rodgers contract and they just sit on their hands and don't make any interesting moves to fix the obvious glaring weaknesses on the team, while allowing the strengths to weaken too (if Lang leaves, Tretter already gone). I just don't get their plan, and don't agree with it. I'm not saying they need to mortgage the entire future for the next three years, but go out and get someone who might help the team would be nice, and you can't ALWAYS do it with just draft picks.

[NeedMoreFans]

I read a tweet during the combine (one of the Packers writers retweeted it) that there were nine CBs in the combine that ran a faster 40 than Rollins (or Randall?), who is the fastest CB on the team. They will have to draft some speed, but I agree that it's frustrating that they have done nothing so far (one day, I guess) in FA to address a terrible secondary. And IMO, good riddance to Hyde. He made some plays, but he was often torched himself. I think it was during the Washington game where they had a graphic of QB rating vs. each DB, and Hyde was the worst of the bunch, and that's saying a lot.

[FVBrewerFan]

Don Barclay is back. Hello Super Bowl!!

[superfly]

I read a tweet during the combine (one of the Packers writers retweeted it) that there were nine CBs in the combine that ran a faster 40 than Rollins (or Randall?), who is the fastest CB on the team. They will have to draft some speed, but I agree that it's frustrating that they have done nothing so far (one day, I guess) in FA to address a terrible secondary. And IMO, good riddance to Hyde. He made some plays, but he was often torched himself. I think it was during the Washington game where they had a graphic of QB rating vs. each DB, and Hyde was the worst of the bunch, and that's saying a lot.

 

It's not so much that we didn't run out and get somebody in the first 12 hours...it's just that this organization is so predictable we all know there's a 98% chance there's nothing coming in the coming days or weeks either. It's a victory if we bring one of our own back, and in Perry's case he was one of 11 contributors to a poor defense himself.

 

The freaking Patriots just won the Super Bowl. Did they sit on their hands? Did they rest on their laurels? Did they NEED to make moves, a couple of which are bold? Heck no they didn't.

 

1) Trade for Dwyane Allen, filling a NEED w/ Bennett likely gone

 

2) May trade Garoppolo for a haul, selling high

 

3) Signed Stephon Gilmore, upgrading a mediocre secondary

 

4) Resigned several of their own

 

5) Trying to trade for Brandin Cooks, upgrading a fairly mediocre WR corps.

 

 

There's no excuse for this crap year after year with the playoff results we've seen...status quo and nobody is held accountable for it. They don't even try to bring folks in and see if they'd be a fit. Woop de doo Davon House...we didn't see the need to pay him last time so I don't see the point paying him this time.

[Brewer Fever]

Perry departing would have been a loss. Hyde departing is far from one. It amazes me that people whine about not paying for one guy then cry about paying too much for another. They paid what the market dictated to keep Perry. Again what matters is keeping the one who made a positive impact. Perry defends the run well and adds a pass rush threat. That's a rare combo. Hyde meanwhile is one of the slowest defenders on a defense that sorely lacks speed and gave up a Pro Bowl passer rating. Hyde got paid starter money and will have a difficult time living up to it. He's best suited for a utility role.

[pacopete4]

Perry departing would have been a loss. Hyde departing is far from one. It amazes me that people whine about not paying for one guy then cry about paying too much for another. They paid what the market dictated to keep Perry. Again what matters is keeping the one who made a positive impact. Perry defends the run well and adds a pass rush threat. That's a rare combo. Hyde meanwhile is one of the slowest defenders on a defense that sorely lacks speed and gave up a Pro Bowl passer rating. Hyde got paid starter money and will have a difficult time living up to it. He's best suited for a utility role.

 

 

All this is fine and dandy and I think most would agree with you but also most would agree that there are more creative ways to improve this team. Signing Perry again doesn't jump this team up a notch. Might help keep it where it's at but it doesn't make that defense much better if any. The previous post to yours laid out what the Patriots have done so far and that's a team fresh off the Super Bowl. Why can't we use other avenues to improve this team? If TT is not creative enough, time to move on to someone else.

[Brewer Fever]

Perry departing would have been a loss. Hyde departing is far from one. It amazes me that people whine about not paying for one guy then cry about paying too much for another. They paid what the market dictated to keep Perry. Again what matters is keeping the one who made a positive impact. Perry defends the run well and adds a pass rush threat. That's a rare combo. Hyde meanwhile is one of the slowest defenders on a defense that sorely lacks speed and gave up a Pro Bowl passer rating. Hyde got paid starter money and will have a difficult time living up to it. He's best suited for a utility role.

 

 

All this is fine and dandy and I think most would agree with you but also most would agree that there are more creative ways to improve this team. Signing Perry again doesn't jump this team up a notch. Might help keep it where it's at but it doesn't make that defense much better if any. The previous post to yours laid out what the Patriots have done so far and that's a team fresh off the Super Bowl. Why can't we use other avenues to improve this team? If TT is not creative enough, time to move on to someone else.

 

OK, so would have letting Perry walk been better? And did I miss something? Is the offseason done?

 

Btw, the Patriots history with big ticket FAs isn't that pretty. The Gilmore signing is a treadmill move if they trade Butler, arguably the better player. And they just lost another starting CB in Logan Ryan. Packers fans love to add up gains and departures then point only to other teams signings while ignoring their losses.

 

It's been shown countless times that the best use of free agency is 2nd and 3rd tier hole pluggers, something GB uses it for all the damn time. The big contracts go to guys who get paid like 1st tier players in price only. True blue chippers and difference makers don't make it to free agency. They're extended and franchised.

 

Green Bay always uses the cap money somehow, some way. They've got more than usual and I'm actually encouraged their letting some guys walk like Hyde (overrated) and hopefully Lang who will be overpaid unless he takes a discount to stay. So unless they sit on $20 million in cap space, I think it's a good bet we see some vets signed at low level deals.

[Brewer Fever]

[patrickgpe]

nobody is doubting that Perry had a great season, the concern is that he played really hard to get a contract and will now coast, since he did nothing for the first 4 years in the league.

[Brewer Fever]

nobody is doubting that Perry had a great season, the concern is that he played really hard to get a contract and will now coast, since he did nothing for the first 4 years in the league.

 

Silly to spend a second worrying about that when not present in the organization with first-hand knowledge of Perry's character or work ethic. I've never heard a negative word about Perry's motivation.

 

Now worrying about how they'd replace that level of production. That would seem like it would have been something worth worrying about.

[superfly]

 

It's been shown countless times that the best use of free agency is 2nd and 3rd tier hole pluggers, something GB uses it for all the damn time.

 

2016 - Signed Jared Cook March 28

2015 - Signed nobody of note

2014 - Signed Julius Peppers March 18

Signed Letroy Guion March 18

2013 - Signed nobody of note

2012 - Signed Jeff Saturday, on his last legs.

2011 - Signed nobody of note

2010 - Signed nobody of note

 

This is "all the damn time" ? The Patriots just did more than this one one freaking day. Nobody is asking for the NY Yankees here, we're asking for some semblance of CREATIViTY to try and fix problems. Nobody is going to call for Ted's head because he made a mistake on a mid range to slightly upper level FA here and there, they call for his head because he largely sits on a beach from March through the draft. Sure Peppers was a fun sign, and wouldn't you guess IT HELPED. Cook HELPED. Guion HELPED.

 

Maybe you enjoy watching our defense get battered year after year but I don't. Find a trade with somebody for a system guy if FA isn't Ted's thing...can't tell me there aren't any underused players out there that would fit in our system on cheap deals.

 

 

And on another note....the Cook talks have broken down, probably because Ted is offering a couch to sleep on and a million dollars while everyone else offers 8.

[pacopete4]

Perry departing would have been a loss. Hyde departing is far from one. It amazes me that people whine about not paying for one guy then cry about paying too much for another. They paid what the market dictated to keep Perry. Again what matters is keeping the one who made a positive impact. Perry defends the run well and adds a pass rush threat. That's a rare combo. Hyde meanwhile is one of the slowest defenders on a defense that sorely lacks speed and gave up a Pro Bowl passer rating. Hyde got paid starter money and will have a difficult time living up to it. He's best suited for a utility role.

 

 

All this is fine and dandy and I think most would agree with you but also most would agree that there are more creative ways to improve this team. Signing Perry again doesn't jump this team up a notch. Might help keep it where it's at but it doesn't make that defense much better if any. The previous post to yours laid out what the Patriots have done so far and that's a team fresh off the Super Bowl. Why can't we use other avenues to improve this team? If TT is not creative enough, time to move on to someone else.

 

OK, so would have letting Perry walk been better? And did I miss something? Is the offseason done?

 

Okay take a step away from the computer and breath man. Where did I ever say it would be better to let Perry walk? People are just tired of the status quo around Packerland and to be honest, they have valid points. We have had two, HOF QB's every since the mid 90's with two Super Bowls to show for it. While that is great, we can strive for better. These opportunities do not last for ever and people realize that. The fact we are even toying around with the idea of letting Cook walk is astonishing. Unless TT thinks someone like Lance Kendrick can come in and do the job? I don't know. And the other points I made were about being creative. Trade a damn pick to get a cornerback in here. Be creative. Use a point of strength on our team and fill a weakness. All things that TT really refuses to do or just is too bland to do. Not sure which one is the truth on that but either way, it could help our situation out quite a bit. Either way, stop trying to force your thoughts down others throats with attempting what you did above.

[pacopete4]

I wonder if Lance Kendricks is on the Packers radar instead of signing Cook. They seem to be similar players. Maybe Kendricks would be cheaper route?