2016-2017 Green Bay Packers Thread

[MrTPlush]

On the final drive, other than the first down pass, Rodgers went back to being win it all with one pass again. Should've dinked and dunked their way to at least the 50, using their timeouts before taking deeper shots. Plenty of time with 30 seconds left and two timeouts from your 25.

 

The passes weren't there obviously. They did a similar drive going into the half successfully. They also only had a single timeout because they lost one due to the Nelson(?) injury. If the passes aren't there they aren't there. The dink and dunk method works great if you have a successful outcome EVERY play. Once you burn 8 seconds going nowhere you need a big pass or you won't get the yardage in the time you have. The opportunities to make a completion weren't there and the Falcons pass rush was getting to Rodgers too fast. He didn't have the chance to make the "dink and dunk" play you wanted and had no time to escape the pocket to make a big play happen.

 

Actually I really don't even agree he was trying to make a "big play". His furthest pass probably wasn't much farther than 20 yards down the field. I wish I could re watch it because I don't recall him ever throwing it past the 50.

[Point Beer Is Best]

After the first out route, I think the next pass hit Nelson right in the hands around the Atlanta 45 (when he got hurt). Complete that pass and things are looking pretty interesting. The next pass nearly got picked as Allison let the DB undercut him a bit, and obviously the last pass had some disconnect with Adams as Rodgers expected him to cut across back towards the sidelines more instead of angling downfield further.

 

One of those games that it felt like they just ran out of time. They had a disgusting list of injuries heading into that game and still came close to winning it. The offense, despite having zero run game, came alive and involved the entire offensive roster. And yet people still want to dump McCarthy.

[Jose Cardenal1]

McCarthy was once thought of as a dynamic offensive mind and play caller. This is no longer the case. The NFL has evolved and adapted and it doesn't feel like McCarthy has. The combination of Thompson and McCarthy would ensure 10-6 teams for as long as the eye sees. I just don't see the two of them ever overseeing anything close to a championship team again.

 

The franchise needs a shake-up. Thompson needs to be kicked up to some advisory role that allows him to do what he does and likes best (scout college players). Elliott Wolf needs to be named GM and in turn he needs to let McCarthy go (much like Andy Reid he will go on to have success with some other team who hasn't tuned him out). Then Wolf needs to hire Josh McDaniels who will be able to do for Rodgers in his final years what he has done for Brady.

[MrTPlush]

The combination of Thompson and McCarthy would ensure 10-6 teams for as long as the eye sees.

 

2010 Green Bay Packers

 

Record: 10-6

Outcome: Super Bowl Champions

 

 

Proceed

[tmwiese55]

They were a series of horribly unlucky things happening in a row from being the SB and would've been the favorite just a season ago, cmon. if anything McCarthy's coaching the last two weeks with this MASH unit should be a positive to show that he can be creative and still find a way, not a negative on him.

[Jose Cardenal1]

McCarthy playoff record without 2010: 4-7

Rodgers playoff record without 2010: 3-6

 

No season besides 2010 with 2 playoff victories

 

2010 was an exception to the rule T-Plush and it is now 6 freaking years ago. In the NFL if you are not improving your regressing. Packers have not been an improving team in some time.

 

Most fan bases would be elated with 10-6 seasons and WC playoff games. Me I will be awfully pissed if the Packers end up with 2 Super Bowls victories out of about 30 years of HOF QB play ('92-??).

 

Proceed yourself

[MrTPlush]

They should have been in the Super Bowl two years ago, but as we know Bostick happened.

 

Who exactly do you want to put blame on? McCarthy? Thompson? Capers? The offense has been good, the defense is hit or miss, and Thompson still drafts really well. The Packers have it pretty good in those three. Its pretty easy to have worse and really hard to do better than that.

[jerichoholicninja]

The difference the last two games is that Rodgers is actually running the ball when given the opportunity. The first 6 games he would just run around behind the line of scrimmage trying to find someone to throw to until he got sacked or threw it away. Now he's running for yards when no one's open.

[craigharmann]

Why trade for Knile Davis, only to cut him two weeks later? And when you're extremely thin at RB??

[hurricanecrush]

It was flier with a conditional pick. I'm guessing if he wasn't on the roster for X number of weeks you don't give up a pick. They don't see him as part of their short or long term future, so they let him go before it cost them a pick.

[jerichoholicninja]

I read that it will cost the Packers nothing and Davis will most likely resign with KC because they have some injury issues at RB. So basically the trade never happened.

[tmwiese55]

McCarthy playoff record without 2010: 4-7

Rodgers playoff record without 2010: 3-6

 

No season besides 2010 with 2 playoff victories

 

2010 was an exception to the rule T-Plush and it is now 6 freaking years ago. In the NFL if you are not improving your regressing. Packers have not been an improving team in some time.

 

Most fan bases would be elated with 10-6 seasons and WC playoff games. Me I will be awfully pissed if the Packers end up with 2 Super Bowls victories out of about 30 years of HOF QB play ('92-??).

 

Proceed yourself

 

I of course will be disappointed if they don't get another SB in Rodgers career. But this ESPN caused obsession on rings has skewed everyone's judgment. The playoffs are essentially a luckbox crapshoot, all you can do is get there every year and put yourself in position and hope the chips fall your way. GB management does that every year. And keep in mind two of the seasons their playoff positioning was ruined by Rodgers injuries during the season. Should Belichick and Brady have been canned when they went something like 9 seasons without a SB and multiple chokes in the playoffs?

[Point Beer Is Best]

Why trade for Knile Davis, only to cut him two weeks later? And when you're extremely thin at RB??

 

Trade conditions were that they owed KC a 7th rounder if he were on the roster for 3 games. They cut him after 2 to avoid paying. Montgomery is likely back and Starks must be close.

[Point Beer Is Best]

McCarthy playoff record without 2010: 4-7

Rodgers playoff record without 2010: 3-6

 

No season besides 2010 with 2 playoff victories

 

2010 was an exception to the rule T-Plush and it is now 6 freaking years ago. In the NFL if you are not improving your regressing. Packers have not been an improving team in some time.

 

Most fan bases would be elated with 10-6 seasons and WC playoff games. Me I will be awfully pissed if the Packers end up with 2 Super Bowls victories out of about 30 years of HOF QB play ('92-??).

 

Proceed yourself

 

If you want to cherry-pick, then Bill Belichick is 11-10 in playoffs when you exclude the years he won a SB.

[MKE81]

When you're in the playoffs every year it's pretty challenging to "continue to improve". While I do think the Packers should have won more SB's over Favre/Rodgers careers to date I won't be "pissed" because I'm not playing nor have anything invested in them in any way. It's entertainment. It's awesome to win the SB but it's also awesome to have like 25 years (almost consecutively) of a very competitive team.. And QBs don't win championships - teams do

[tmwiese55]

Also, why should TT/McCarthy/Rodgers be blamed for Favre's team losing as 14 pt faves in the SB and overall just getting one SB with a stacked team on both sides of the ball. Along with Favre's basically blah play after his MVP stint until leaving. If anything they should be given credit for moving on from Favre and not trading away the next star QB in order to cling to Favre's past glory for a little longer. Without their leadership and balls to do that this 'run' they've been on would've ended 9-10 years ago and gotten 1 less SB.

[FVBrewerFan]

I've been calling to replace MM/TT for several years. It's not an angry "throw the bums out" attitude. I just think there's a time when you've run your course, and time to start fresh. I think it was four years ago I started saying the Packers will never win another SB with MM/TT.

 

McCarthy is a good football coach. TT is a good personnel man. I just think for whatever reason they can't get back to the promised land in GB. After all these years, this is still a 4-12 team with Rodgers. TT has not put enough talent around him, and the defense has been middle of the pack, at best, forever. McCarthy is stubborn, convinced his stuff works, and they just need to execute. Poor in-game manager, and can't win playoff games- even at home. That is not all his fault by any means, but the buck needs to stop somewhere right?

 

Yet TT will stay as long as he wants, and MM will be here for years. The Packers are making money, the local media doesn't challenge authority, and the fans are happy to be "a good team."

[tmwiese55]

You wanted to fire them 2-3 years after winning the SB and a 1-2 years after winning 24 straight games? Seems like reasonable expectations.

[MrTPlush]

Honestly I think this team is really really good. The offensive has a ton of talent and the defense is dang good itself. The defense has gotten pressure to the QB a good portion of the year, they stuff the run, and the secondary is one of the best in recent memory when healthy. Everyone acts like McCarthy/Thompson are the problem when the 2 running backs are injured, multiple receivers are out, and 3 of our top defensive backs are injured. If this team was healthy they would be cruising and no one would be complaining right now. Honestly blaming Thompson seems ridiculous. The talent on this team is great. Seeing we always draft in the last 10 picks I would be applauding the dude.

 

If anything I would be investigating why this team is a crippled mess every single year.

[FVBrewerFan]

You wanted to fire them 2-3 years after winning the SB and a 1-2 years after winning 24 straight games? Seems like reasonable expectations.

 

It's called vision. Looking forward, not behind. Proven right so far, 4 years and counting.

[pitchleague]

Hey, at least we're not the Browns . . . .

[patrickgpe]

I agree McCarthy is a great football coach, if he is fired he would be the most in demand coaching candidate out there. I just feel that after 11 years, for whatever reason his message isn't coming across any more. The concern with firing him, is that who is going to replace him. I do not see a great candidate out there.the last few offseasons where full of underwhelming coaching hires. I just don't want the packers to fire McCarthy and replace him with a Ray Rhodes. If they do this, they better have a great idea on who the next guy is and i don't think he is currently on the packers staff.

[tmwiese55]

You wanted to fire them 2-3 years after winning the SB and a 1-2 years after winning 24 straight games? Seems like reasonable expectations.

 

It's called vision. Looking forward, not behind. Proven right so far, 4 years and counting.

 

No it's basically hindsight 20/20 type thinking. They would've been in the SB two seasons ago if not for multiple horribly unlucky things happening in a row vs Seattle. Regardless, they were in the final four which means they're doing things right, it's just luck after that. Again, would you have fired Belichick in like 08-09? He hadn't won a SB in 5-6 years and had just choked in the SB with the best team ever, gotta look forward and stop living in the past.

[MrTPlush]

You wanted to fire them 2-3 years after winning the SB and a 1-2 years after winning 24 straight games? Seems like reasonable expectations.

 

It's called vision. Looking forward, not behind. Proven right so far, 4 years and counting.

 

No it's basically hindsight 20/20 type thinking. They would've been in the SB two seasons ago if not for multiple horribly unlucky things happening in a row vs Seattle. Regardless, they were in the final four which means they're doing things right, it's just luck after that. Again, would you have fired Belichick in like 08-09? He hadn't won a SB in 5-6 years and had just choked in the SB with the best team ever, gotta look forward and stop living in the past.

 

 

Not like it is much of a prediction to say a team won't win or make it back to the Super Bowl for awhile.

[tmwiese55]

Exactly, only one team can win each year but this ESPN pushed rings obsession has skewed everyone to think that if you don't win it all that you're a complete failure.