2016-2017 Green Bay Packers Thread

[brewcrewdue80]

Food for thought: defense wins championships?

 

Take a look at the 4 remaining teams - Falcons, Packers, Patriots, Steelers. No great defense among them but four darn good offenses. The best playoff defenses (Texans, Chiefs, Seahawks) all got steamrolled on their way out.

 

Well, when your defense doesn't win the turnover battle 2-0 Sea/Atl

Or a QB with under 5.0yards passing because simply being terrible Hou/NE

 

And the 18-16 score not being a steamroller game. KC/Pitts.

 

You're also talking outcomes delivered by the MVP type QBs past/present. Including Rodgers over the Giants.

 

Looking past this game. Brown/Bell/Roethlisburger combo? Or Brady/Belichek combo? I don't think we'd want to face Pittsburgh. And obviously, fans are going to clamor for Rodgers vs Brady because the winner takes a big step on the Goat claim. The ratings will be off the charts for that game. Watch for a shady few calls going both our way and the Patriots.

[pacopete4]

I think I'd consider NE's defense is one of the tops in the league and they may just win it this year.

[nodakfan17]

I'm going to make the same pick as last week: 27-24 Falcons

 

With home field advantage and a relatively healthy roster, it's just hard to pick against Atlanta.

 

The Packers win if ... Aaron Rodgers proves he's the real MVP.

 

Go Pack!

[nodakfan17]

Looking past this game. Brown/Bell/Roethlisburger combo? Or Brady/Belichek combo? I don't think we'd want to face Pittsburgh. And obviously, fans are going to clamor for Rodgers vs Brady because the winner takes a big step on the Goat claim. The ratings will be off the charts for that game. Watch for a shady few calls going both our way and the Patriots.

I'll weigh in here after echoing one huge caveat - The Packers have to beat Atlanta first.

 

I would rather see the Packers play the Patriots in the Super Bowl for two reasons:

 

1) The Steelers have a Top 5 QB, a Top 5 RB, and a Top 5 WR ... I don't know how you counter that without an elite defense.

 

2) I not only want my team to face Tom Brady, I want my team to beat Tom Brady.

 

On NFL Sundays, I probably spend too much time reading online comments during commercials and between games. I find Patriots fans to be insufferable (I acknowledge that Packer fans are not without fault). Any time Rodgers is praised, you can count on a Pats fan mentioning that he's just a "one ring wonder" or a "playoff choker" (because if you don't win a coin toss in OT, you choked). Tom Brady is an elite, HOF QB, but if we're going strictly by championships, isn't Bart Starr the GOAT (sarcasm)? While minuscule next to the prospect of the Packers winning another Super Bowl, I would delight in watching Aaron Rodgers snatching a ring off Tom Brady's finger ... just to keep this GOAT talk interesting.

[MrTPlush]

I've wanted the Brady/Rodgers Super Bowl ever since Rodgers won his first one.

 

However that would require us first beating the Falcons. When I look at it I think it is a brutal match-up seeing our defense sucks, but I also thought the same about the Cowboys. To be honest it kind of ended up that way. This game is much the same. Can Aaron Rodgers be unstoppable scoring 30+ points? Then can the defense keep it together to limit the Falcons?

 

I won't bet on the Packers holding it together another week. I will take the Falcons 38-28.

[jerichoholicninja]

Looking past this game. Brown/Bell/Roethlisburger combo? Or Brady/Belichek combo? I don't think we'd want to face Pittsburgh. And obviously, fans are going to clamor for Rodgers vs Brady because the winner takes a big step on the Goat claim. The ratings will be off the charts for that game. Watch for a shady few calls going both our way and the Patriots.

I'll weigh in here after echoing one huge caveat - The Packers have to beat Atlanta first.

 

I would rather see the Packers play the Patriots in the Super Bowl for two reasons:

 

1) The Steelers have a Top 5 QB, a Top 5 RB, and a Top 5 WR ... I don't know how you counter that without an elite defense.

 

2) I not only want my team to face Tom Brady, I want my team to beat Tom Brady.

 

On NFL Sundays, I probably spend too much time reading online comments during commercials and between games. I find Patriots fans to be insufferable (I acknowledge that Packer fans are not without fault). Any time Rodgers is praised, you can count on a Pats fan mentioning that he's just a "one ring wonder" or a "playoff choker" (because if you don't win a coin toss in OT, you choked). Tom Brady is an elite, HOF QB, but if we're going strictly by championships, isn't Bart Starr the GOAT (sarcasm)? While minuscule next to the prospect of the Packers winning another Super Bowl, I would delight in watching Aaron Rodgers snatching a ring off Tom Brady's finger ... just to keep this GOAT talk interesting.

 

There's your problem.

 

Take out playoffs/championships they're pretty comparable. Neither Rodgers or Brady has ever had great players on their offense. Gronk and Jordy Nelson are close but most great QB's have had Hall of Fame or close to it players on their side of the ball. Neither has ever really even had a running game. Sometimes New England has ran the ball well but like Green Bay the offense is pretty much all on the QB's shoulders. Totally different styles of play but equal value to their teams. Greatest of all time - who cares? They're two of the greatest ever.

[nodakfan17]

Looking past this game. Brown/Bell/Roethlisburger combo? Or Brady/Belichek combo? I don't think we'd want to face Pittsburgh. And obviously, fans are going to clamor for Rodgers vs Brady because the winner takes a big step on the Goat claim. The ratings will be off the charts for that game. Watch for a shady few calls going both our way and the Patriots.

I'll weigh in here after echoing one huge caveat - The Packers have to beat Atlanta first.

 

I would rather see the Packers play the Patriots in the Super Bowl for two reasons:

 

1) The Steelers have a Top 5 QB, a Top 5 RB, and a Top 5 WR ... I don't know how you counter that without an elite defense.

 

2) I not only want my team to face Tom Brady, I want my team to beat Tom Brady.

 

On NFL Sundays, I probably spend too much time reading online comments during commercials and between games. I find Patriots fans to be insufferable (I acknowledge that Packer fans are not without fault). Any time Rodgers is praised, you can count on a Pats fan mentioning that he's just a "one ring wonder" or a "playoff choker" (because if you don't win a coin toss in OT, you choked). Tom Brady is an elite, HOF QB, but if we're going strictly by championships, isn't Bart Starr the GOAT (sarcasm)? While minuscule next to the prospect of the Packers winning another Super Bowl, I would delight in watching Aaron Rodgers snatching a ring off Tom Brady's finger ... just to keep this GOAT talk interesting.

 

There's your problem.

 

Take out playoffs/championships they're pretty comparable. Neither Rodgers or Brady has ever had great players on their offense. Gronk and Jordy Nelson are close but most great QB's have had Hall of Fame or close to it players on their side of the ball. Neither has ever really even had a running game. Sometimes New England has ran the ball well but like Green Bay the offense is pretty much all on the QB's shoulders. Totally different styles of play but equal value to their teams. Greatest of all time - who cares? They're two of the greatest ever.

I don't get bent out of shape over it. I just think it's a fun debate.

 

Honestly, Brady's body of work is so voluminous, you'd be hard pressed to rank Rodgers ahead of Brady. Even when you exclude the postseason, Brady's career record as a starter is 183-52 (0.779), whereas Rodgers is 90-45 (0.667). Brady wins 3 out of 4 games, whereas Rodgers only wins 2 out of 3 games. Sure, dozens of variables factor into those records, but we're talking about 183 wins to 52 losses. That's incredible. Personally, I'd take Rodgers to win one game, but Brady's sustained success is remarkable. It's just funny how defensive Pats fans get when a writer suggests that other quarterbacks are good too.

[pacopete4]

Game day! And everyone is playing, Jordy included. It will be interesting to see how long some of these guys last and how effective they will be. Go Pack Go!!

[trwi7]

The Packers defense, ladies and gentlemen!

 

[jjgott]

We should keep running the "Falcons WR drops it" play

[MrTPlush]

Packers are a joke today. Can't make stops on 3rd down, Clinton Dix shoved the WR for zero reason on a 3rd and Goal for what would have been an idiotic penalty, missed field goal, and a fumble to destroy what looked to be a TD drive.

 

Game is over

[superfly]

There's the Dom Capers defense we all know and love! And to think some actually thought it was fixed....what a joke this is.

[MrTPlush]

There's the Dom Capers defense we all know and love! And to think some actually thought it was fixed....what a joke this is.

 

You are going to blame Don Capers when the players don't even run the defensive plays right? Hardly are they ever doing what they are suppose to do and constantly make the mistakes. They had a free interception and I am not even sure the defender got his hands on it.

 

His personal is straight garbage. They flat out aren't starting NFL players in the secondary and they are trying to cover the most explosive offense in football.

 

Blame Capers? Yah no thanks. Give him some real players the. one can judge.

[pacopete4]

Atlanta has been doing this all year on offense. I'll give them their credit they deserve.

[superfly]

There's the Dom Capers defense we all know and love! And to think some actually thought it was fixed....what a joke this is.

 

You are going to blame Don Capers when the players don't even run the defensive plays right? Hardly are they ever doing what they are suppose to do and constantly make the mistakes. They had a free interception and I am not even sure the defender got his hands on it.

 

His personal is straight garbage. They flat out aren't starting NFL players in the secondary and they are trying to cover the most explosive offense in football.

 

Blame Capers? Yah no thanks. Give him some real players the. one can judge.

 

I'm sure it wasn't his fault when kapernick set nfl records in a similar fashion too? Thehre playing on their heels allowing everything in front of them. This is going to end up worse than kapernicks game from a statistical standpoint. It's embarrassing.

[MrTPlush]

So what do you recommend Capers do differently? Sure what he is doing isn't working, but what should someone do with the worst DB talent in the league who also has below average linebackers.

 

I guess I don't care what they do with Capers. The defense will be garbage regardless unless a lot of players greatly improve and they go out and buy some talent in FA. Firing Capers is just a feel good move.

[homer]

Defense has been meh for a while now and it's not the scheme. They have zero playmakers on that side of the ball.

[homer]

Let the Brett Hundley era commence!

[GAME05]

Gunter, Rollins and Randall. You've got those guys to stop Atlanta's offense. Or maybe the intimidating pass rush will get to the QB. That we even got this far is partly a credit to the job Capers has done, not that we should have won and he didn't do enough.

[burnzy24]

It's not Capers' fault that TT is incapable of drafting dlinemen or corners.

[homer]

Jeez Guion is playing guard.

[MrTPlush]

Gunter, Rollins and Randall. You've got those guys to stop Atlanta's offense. Or maybe the intimidating pass rush will get to the QB. That we even got this far is partly a credit to the job Capers has done, not that we should have won and he didn't do enough.

 

Gunter isn't even a starting CB worthy guy and yet he has to cover the likes of Beckman/Bryant/Jones every week. That makes the job of making a defensive gameplan impossible already.

[superfly]

Gunter, Rollins and Randall. You've got those guys to stop Atlanta's offense. Or maybe the intimidating pass rush will get to the QB. That we even got this far is partly a credit to the job Capers has done, not that we should have won and he didn't do enough.

 

 

If you feel that is the case, then we need to take it to DEFCON 5 and fire TT, MM, and Capers and clean the house. Damarious Randall was a 1st round pick. Quentin Rollins was a 2nd round pick. Kenny Clark is a 1st round pick. Nick Perry is a 1st round pick. Jake Ryan and Martinez are 3rd or 4th round picks. Peppers and Matthews are HOF caliber players regardless of age. Either Ted is a horrible drafter and gets credit where it isn't deserved, or it's the guy teaching the players.

 

Is it Dom Capers or is it Ted Thompson that is the problem....or is it both? I don't fully buy the whole "they have nothing" business, the Falcons defense is regarded as middling at it's best, and poor/bad at its worst. They got pressure on Rodgers today. We had 0 sacks, 0 turnovers, 1 punt forced (!!!!!!!!). Did we even get more than one or two pressures? At some point if what you're doing is allowing a TD on each possession should you decide to bring the house and deal with it if you get burned? Or something different?!?!?!? At 24-0 what is there to lose? And that's not even including the countless fundamental miscues that players on both sides of the ball were committing. Ryan is a turnover prone QB.

 

 

 

If nobody is fired (which I doubt there will be any), there is something that needs to be done regardless...Peppers and Matthews need to be released before their Yuge salaries consume any more of our salary cap. I love the guys but their bodies are used up, we can't afford to let them plug the holes any longer with poor play.

 

 

I'm happy to beat heck that we ran off 8 games in a row and got to where we did. But at the same time the same old issues that have plagued us aside from 2010 surfaced again and helped contribute to another missed opportunity. We can't win em all but Rodgers is on the back half of his career now...we can't be squandering anymore of these chances when they present themselves.

[DHonks]

I wish I knew the answers. I've always thought of Dom Capers as sort of an evil genius, concocting blitzes from his laboratory. But we have some serious issues to address.

 

1) Injuries-- every year we seem to be seriously damaged by the injury bug. What are we doing wrong? Should Murphy be lobbying hard for the NFL to add another 5 players to the NFL rosters since we always seemingly have difficult decisions activating injured defensive players?

 

2) What is our base defense? If we aren't going to play the 3-4, we need to have enough starting caliber players to have nickel be he base defense.

 

3) lock up Hyde and Cook to 3 year deals. Bring back Perry and Lacy. They aren't the problem

 

4) teach corners to jam at the line better. The Cowboys mugged our receivers 7 yards (past the allowable distance), causing our receivers to constantly complain about holding. I know it upsets Capers when Randall gives his receiver 8 yards.

 

5) figure out why our O-line is so good at pass blocking but so iffy at run-blocking

 

6) get something productive out of the D-line

 

7) consider trading Clay if the defense matchups are going to require him to play DE.

[MrTPlush]

What Don Capers had this year was a joke. I am not sure how you evaluate Capers with what he had. Maybe you can maybe you can't I don't know. Ted Thompson on the other hand might need to step aside now. He just isn't getting it done in the draft and a new vision may be needed. Let's be honest without Rodgers this team goes from NFC Championship run to 6 wins or so. He just has not drafted well for awhile and that is suppose to be his strength.

 

Dom Capers may be the scapegoat since it can't really get much worse on the defensive side of the ball.