2016-2017 Green Bay Packers Thread

[brewcrewdue80]

So Nelson ruled out. Somehow the Giant Defender who hit Jordy not fined. I think its time Montgomery returned to WR#2 Michael at RB.

[nate82]

So Nelson ruled out. Somehow the Giant Defender who hit Jordy not fined. I think its time Montgomery returned to WR#2 Michael at RB.

 

Not sure why there should be a fine? It was a normal legal hit by the Giants defender that came at a bad time when Nelson was reaching for the ball and got hit in the ribs instead of in his arms.

 

There was nothing the defender did that would warrant a fine.

[MrTPlush]

So Nelson ruled out. Somehow the Giant Defender who hit Jordy not fined. I think its time Montgomery returned to WR#2 Michael at RB.

 

Not sure why there should be a fine? It was a normal legal hit by the Giants defender that came at a bad time when Nelson was reaching for the ball and got hit in the ribs instead of in his arms.

 

There was nothing the defender did that would warrant a fine.

 

It was not a legal hit. You cannot lead with the crown of your helmet. Did you watch the game? They even had that "expert" guy chime in and confirm that it was not legal.

[nate82]

So Nelson ruled out. Somehow the Giant Defender who hit Jordy not fined. I think its time Montgomery returned to WR#2 Michael at RB.

 

Not sure why there should be a fine? It was a normal legal hit by the Giants defender that came at a bad time when Nelson was reaching for the ball and got hit in the ribs instead of in his arms.

 

There was nothing the defender did that would warrant a fine.

 

It was not a legal hit. You cannot lead with the crown of your helmet. Did you watch the game? They even had that "expert" guy chime in and confirm that it was not legal.

 

I didn't see him lead with the crown of his helmet it is the same hit that quarterbacks get hit with when they are sacked. Nothing illegal by that hit.

[AKCheesehead]

That is bologna. If you want to see a video textbook definition of the football term "spearing" then look no further than the Hall hit on Nelson. It was lead with the crown and it was a cheap shot. I figured he would be DQed from the game and after that didn't happen I figured a Packer was going to take him out of it. And in my book, justifiably.

[MrTPlush]

You need to watch it again then because you are just plain wrong. It looked bad in real time and even worse in slow motion. He deliberately lowered his head to hit Nelson as hard as he could with his helmet. It was a clear attempt to injure Nelson with an illegal hit.

 

And no QBs don't get hit like that all the time. If a QB got hit like that we would Here about it for a long time.

[homer]

sorry to hijack this thread, but interesting article on the future of the GM position in the paper

 

I'm going to hijack the hijack...

 

Since we only have one thread available for GBP here at BF.net, inserting different topics is really the only way to manage it. Thus, its not really a hijack unless you don't talk about GBP stuff.

 

Since LL.net has died off, I've put in a request to make a section for Other Wisconsin Sports. Thus, we can have different threads for Packer, Bucks and Badger topics without having to dump it all into one thread per team.

 

The request is going up to the BF.net owner for consideration as it may change costs due to extra traffic. Just thought I'd let you know that its being considered.

We need to somehow save the Draft forum at LL.net...

 

 

Or at least archive all of Xellence's (aka X_tedthompsonfan) draft recaps

[nate82]

You need to watch it again then because you are just plain wrong. It looked bad in real time and even worse in slow motion. He deliberately lowered his head to hit Nelson as hard as he could with his helmet. It was a clear attempt to injure Nelson with an illegal hit.

 

And no QBs don't get hit like that all the time. If a QB got hit like that we would Here about it for a long time.

 

Nope watched it 10 times now and still do not see an illegal hit.

 

Edit: No name calling, please.

[jerichoholicninja]

Sometimes hard hits happen in football and sometimes they happen in a bad place for the player getting hit. I'm all for safety and protecting players but any time there's a viscous looking hit nowadays fans are screaming illegal, dirty, etc. When you have guys running full speed at each other stuff is going to happen that's out of their control. I hate when you see a ball carrier lower his shoulder as he's about to get tackled and get hit helmet to helmet and then the defense gets a penalty because of it. What's the defender supposed to do, go for his feet and miss the tackle? But this is the NFL we are talking about which creates 100 more problems every time it tries to fix one.

[DHonks]

while the hit was illegal, if Jordy catches it then it's a legal hit. The Giant anticipated Jordy making the routine catch, which would have meant he'd hit Jordy in the arm/ball. Having never played organized football, I'm not sure how hard it is to change your tackling/hitting intent in less than a 1/10 of a second while running at full speed. I didn't have a problem with the hit in real time. It was only after Pereira opened his mouth that it became an issue for us.

[brewcrewdue80]

No, defenseless is illegal. He was in the air. The fact he was near the OB line confirms the viscous intent to injury with his approach to spear Nelson. A simple push at 1/8 the impact speed would have taken Nelson out of bounds. If even needed at al...body going out bounds on its own. Not a play on the ball, straight spear tackle on a defenseless WR. Head first, hands not.

 

I literally said Broken ribs the first slow motion replay.

[MKE81]

You need to watch it again then because you are just plain wrong. It looked bad in real time and even worse in slow motion. He deliberately lowered his head to hit Nelson as hard as he could with his helmet. It was a clear attempt to injure Nelson with an illegal hit.

 

And no QBs don't get hit like that all the time. If a QB got hit like that we would Here about it for a long time.

 

Nope watched it 10 times now and still do not see an illegal hit.

The fact you continue to say it was legal is entertaining. Plenty of people affiliated with the league or broadcast, who understand the rules, said it was an illegal hit. It's like you saying 2+2=5 and everyone saying no it's actually 4 while also citing the correct mathematical reasoning (i.e. Rule book in this case) then you continuing to say "no, it's 5, I did the math myself". And if any QB was destroyed in the midsection by the crown of the helmet there would be a flag 100% of the time. And being a Packers fan has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

 

The DB, based on his angle to the play, was aware of where both the receiver and ball was and instead of drilling him full speed with his shoulder he made the decision to lead with the crown of his helmet. This wasn't a bang bang reaction play.

[Baldkin]

Nope watched it 10 times now and still do not see an illegal hit.

 

Could he see what he hit?

 

No? He could only see the turf?

 

Illegal hit.

[jerichoholicninja]

So why was the hit on Nelson the biggest crime in the history of sports and the hit Wilson took yesterday just good clean football? Wilson took a helmet to the jaw. He was close to going out of bounds and the defender had plenty of time to figure out how to hit him and had no reason to light him up the way he did. Same with the hit on Matt Moore last week. Like I said before, I'm all for protecting players but it's just become ridiculous how every hit is scrutinized to death and the "outrage" or lack of outrage has little consistently. If you hit a guy below the waist it's dirty. If you hit a guy above the chest it's dirty. If you hit a guy while he's in the air it's dirty. Except for all those times that it's randomly not considered dirty. Dirty is dirty and generally obvious. Most hits are just the circumstances of the action of the game and the fact that sometimes those hits are flagged (and sometimes not) and effects the outcome of a game is a joke.

[MrTPlush]

The hit on Nelson was bad. Watching the replay the defender doesn't just accidentally hit him with his helmet. He clearly, at the last moment, puts his head down and leads with it. It a blatant illegal hit and just plain dangerous. I guess you can argue this isn't the case and everyone can have their opinion. However you are then flat out wrong, period.

 

Once again I am not one of those complainers I am just stating what is true. I'm not sitting here with a tissue because Nelson is out. Nor will I be one of those people using it as a reason the Packers lose today if that just so happens.

[homer]

If anyone in the last few posts has noticed a little editing, that was me. One phrase in particular was removed and all references to it were as well. Keep it civil, please.

[nodakfan17]

Recent Packers' playoff ghosts give me a bad feeling about this one:

 

27-24 Dallas - Rodgers keeps in close, but the defense lets them down (again).

 

The Packers win if ... They score 30.

 

Go Pack!

[DHonks]

I think the D comes up big today and we win the turnover battle 3-0. That allows the Packers to win 41-30.

 

BTW, I saw that so far favorites are 6-0 AGS with 4 overs. Vegas really hated last weekend with all favorites winning and several overs, along with the worst outcome for the college championship game. This weekend probably hasn't been great for Vegas, but at least the Patriots huge line balanced out the betting AND the Seahawks usually draw a lot of betting action. At least for Vegas the Packers-Cowboys is pretty close to even betting action. I'll bet the big money today is on the Steelers, and the Packers-Cowboys over.

[homer]

Recent Packers' playoff ghosts give me a bad feeling about this one:

 

27-24 Dallas - Rodgers keeps in close, but the defense lets them down (again).

 

The Packers win if ... They score 30.

 

Go Pack!

 

 

They are 5 point underdogs so losing by three would technically beat expectations. For what it's worth, Bob McGinn expects them to win. I have the same feeling. I think the run defense comes to play this week.

[DHonks]

Homer, I agree. Ryan does well against the run, and we may see more of the Packers able to go base 3-4 vs Cowboys due to the balanced offense. That could allow some plays with Clay inside. Peppers and Perry tend to do better in containing the outside than Clay.

[GAME05]

Well that was entertaining.

[homer]

I am pleased.....totally spent, but pleased.

[ReverendBrewmeister]

What a game! Still feeling up nearly an hour later.

 

Not much to pick at with the offense's performance. I didn't like the conservative play calling after the pass interference call that led to the first Crosby 50-yard+ field goal. Had Dallas scored a touchdown on their drive, that would be the topic of all sports radio shows tonight and tomorrow.

 

As for the defense, I'm not sure what Capers can do to dial up anything better at this point. Just plain running out of talent on the roster. That said, the Cowboys' game-tying touchdown drive was hard to watch. We've seen that a bit too much; hope not to see it again this season.

 

But our guys in Green and Gold have earned another game of football this year. Let the magic continue for at least another week!

[DHonks]

I'd love to know what McCarthy was thinking with about 1:50 left. He ran Montgomery for 2, which forced the Cowboys to call a timeout. Smart. But the next play lost 5, and we could all tell McCarthy was trying to run down the clock EXCEPT the Cowboys started this with 3 timeouts. That 2nd down play needed to be like a rollout or something. We needed one more first down there to get closer for the FG and also get the clock going.

 

Still, a win is a win. I feel better about my 40:1 bet than I did with 5 minutes left. We should have Rollins, Burnett, and Jordy back next week, so that's as full strength as we get. We really need Peppers, Perry, and Matthews to have their best games of the year. And the defense needs to get back to its ballhawk ways. To win out in the regular season we picked off everything, but the last two weeks we've been dropping some rather easy picks.

[MrTPlush]

Next week is the Packers Super Bowl in my opinion. If the Falcons can't stop the Packers no one in the AFC will(just my prediction). Today was a nightmare match up for the Packers and still outplayed the other team. Next week will be a shoot out.

 

They have a real chance at a Super Bowl.