2016 World Series: Cubs vs. Indians (Cubs win Series, 4-3)

[sdcheezhd]

I went to the 2001 United States (and Toronto) Series between the Diamondbacks and Yankees and I paid face value $60/ea for game 1 tickets in the 2nd row from the top of then,Bank One Ballpark. Bought a ticket off a broker for game number 7 for $180,3rd base side lower level.

 

 

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I got seats for the 3d and 4th games of the 2011 NLDS for face at the last minute (lots of strange things had to happen for the Brewers to be playing in that series). Neither game was sold out. I kicked myself for not realizing that the All-Star game played in Phoenix earlier that year didn't sell out either.

[TURBO]

So Mr. Lucroy, how's that trade veto working out for you now?

 

You think he cares? You think he vetoed because he thought the Rangers were a better chance to win the World Series? No that isn't why he vetoed.

 

You speak in factual opinion often, do you have inside information on every player and how they feel?

 

Just curious...

[MrTPlush]

So Mr. Lucroy, how's that trade veto working out for you now?

 

You think he cares? You think he vetoed because he thought the Rangers were a better chance to win the World Series? No that isn't why he vetoed.

 

You speak in factual opinion often, do you have inside information on every player and how they feel?

 

Just curious...

 

Im not going to sit here and argue about what you seem to think are "factual opinions". Luckily in this case it isn't an opinion at all.

 

It is a fact winning was not the motivator when he vetoed the Indians trade. Lucroy confirmed that...he had a lot of concern about playing time and where that playing time would be. There was concern he would play a lot of first base so Lucroy refused to go to the Indians.

[1992casey]

I think the point about winning is moot. Both the Rangers and Indians would have offered an excellent chance to do that.

[TURBO]

MTP, all that may be true, well documented, but you can't say for a fact that he doesn't care... If given the choice, I'm pretty sure (opinion of course) that he would rather be playing in the World Series than sitting at home watching.

[Bombers]

If you have $2,000 you can get a SRO ticket for game 3 at Wrigley on StubHub. If you want to actually have reserved seat, then it's another $750 for a seat way in the upper corner of the stadium. What's that? You want front row? Lowest price listed is $14K each and then it jumps to $20K each (both listed as "best value" tickets on StubHub). If it goes to game 7 (or if the Cubs have a chance to clinch in game 6), I can see half of Progressive Field being Cubs fans (as a many Cleveland fans may have a hard time turning down the outrageous prices they can get for their tix).

Just remember what kinds of fans show up to Wrigley:

[stoutdude04]

So...the weather may cause some serious issues tonight. I think it is crazy that a new stadium built in the north wouldn't put a retractable roof on it. I am looking at you Minnesota!

[1992casey]

Lineups, Cubs vs. Indians, Game 2:

 

Cubs

1. CF Dexter Fowler (S)
   
2. 3B Kris Bryant ®
   
3. 1B Anthony Rizzo (L)
   
4. LF Ben Zobrist (S)
   
5. DH Kyle Schwarber (L)
   
6. 2B Javier Báez ®
   
7. C Willson Contreras ®
   
8. RF Jorge Soler ®
   
9. SS Addison Russell ®

 

Indians

1. DH Carlos Santana (S)
   
2. 2B Jason Kipnis (L)
   
3. SS Francisco Lindor (S)
   
4. 1B Mike Napoli ®
   
5. 3B José Ramírez (S)
   
6. RF Lonnie Chisenhall (L)
   
7. LF Coco Crisp (S)
   
8. CF Tyler Naquin (L)
   
9. C Roberto Pérez ®

[MrTPlush]

What are you doing Chisenhall...wow. This is where defense wins championships...or I guess loses them.

[Bombers]

So Mr. Lucroy, how's that trade veto working out for you now?

 

You think he cares? You think he vetoed because he thought the Rangers were a better chance to win the World Series? No that isn't why he vetoed.

 

You damn right I think he cares. Who? Simply, who wouldn't want to play in a World Series? You can't tell me he doesn't second guess that decision. Hell, he would cash an extra $400,000 check when the Indians win the WS.

 

And Yes, the tribe is going to win the WS.

 

Actually I would say there is a healthy percentage of players whose priorities go

(1) Make as much money as possible

(2) Play in title game (in this case the World Series)

 

Many forget that this is their job and to be frank their ability to never have to work again. (And to live lavishly their whole life) ... maximize cash. Only at ends of careers do you see athletes taking pay cuts to try and get a "ring" ... Mostly though, it's all about the cash. Lucroy may be bummed his team didn't make it, but he has said he didn't want to be moved to 1b for all of 2017 and that is where Cleveland told him he would be playing. Thus, he wanted to maximize his ability to make money and went with Texas as they guaranteed him being their catcher through end of 2017. After 2017, he will be up for a large contract if he plays like he did this year.

 

Cash wins over playing championships. Heck it even wins in the eyes of the fans. Look at the prices of the tickets and the number of tickets available. Fans are selling their chance to "witness" history. Even though, they can witness the same history and pocket $2700 per seat in the nose bleeds. Many will opt for the cash over watching or playing in the game.

 

Everyone has a price. What if I said I will pay you $20 million a year to play for the Marlins or $10 million a year to play for the Cubs. I would say most players will take the $20.

[topper09er]

Shortly after Zack Greinke signed with the Los Angeles Dodgers in December, he made a surprising admission: It came down to the money...."It's obviously the No. 1 thing,'' Greinke said. “I could play for the worst team if they paid the most … If the last place team offers $200 million and the first-place team offers $10, I'm going to go for the $200-million no matter what team it was.''

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/zack-greinke-could-play-worst-team-paid-most-163824712--mlb.html

[BrewFan130]

Never understood that decision with Target Field. Not only does it mess with the team schedule for postponed games, but the bigger issue is it costs the franchise $$. Not a lot of fans want freeze their butts off in the stands in April. I remember a couple of seasons ago the Twins cancelled 3 consecutive games because there was 6+ inches of snow in the stadium. And for the fan that says, true fans would go to support their team, I'd say I'm happy to support my team the other 5 months of the season

[nate82]

I went to the 2001 United States (and Toronto) Series between the Diamondbacks and Yankees and I paid face value $60/ea for game 1 tickets in the 2nd row from the top of then,Bank One Ballpark. Bought a ticket off a broker for game number 7 for $180,3rd base side lower level.

 

 

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I got seats for the 3d and 4th games of the 2011 NLDS for face at the last minute (lots of strange things had to happen for the Brewers to be playing in that series). Neither game was sold out. I kicked myself for not realizing that the All-Star game played in Phoenix earlier that year didn't sell out either.

 

I got 1st row in the left field bleachers for $25 for game 3. I really hate that stadium though it feels like you are in a warehouse watching a baseball game.

[1992casey]

Lineups, Indians vs. Cubs, Game 3:

 

Indians

1. LF Carlos Santana (S)
   
2. 2B Jason Kipnis (L)
   
3. SS Francisco Lindor (S)
   
4. 1B Mike Napoli ®
   
5. 3B José Ramírez (S)
   
6. RF Lonnie Chisenhall (L)
   
7. C Roberto Pérez ®
   
8. CF Tyler Naquin (L)
   
9. RHP Josh Tomlin ®

 

Cubs

1. CF Dexter Fowler (S)
   
2. 3B Kris Bryant ®
   
3. 1B Anthony Rizzo (L)
   
4. LF Ben Zobrist (S)
   
5. C Willson Contreras ®
   
6. RF Jorge Soler ®
   
7. 2B Javier Báez ®
   
8. SS Addison Russell ®
   
9. RHP Kyle Hendricks ®

[3and2Fastball]

Interesting seeing Santana batting leadoff. He has one of the best OBP on the Indians but is really slow. Naquin actually has a higher OBP and is a lot faster than Santana but is a rookie. Santana had a .380 OBP batting leadoff this year. Playing him in LF is even more interesting. He is a huge defensive liability out there

 

Not to overstate the obvious but what a huge game tonight. Looks like a "must win" for the Cubs tonight when it is Kluber vs Lackey in Game 4

[jerichoholicninja]

Interesting seeing Santana batting leadoff. He has one of the best OBP on the Indians but is really slow. Naquin actually has a higher OBP and is a lot faster than Santana but is a rookie. Santana had a .380 OBP batting leadoff this year. Playing him in LF is even more interesting. He is a huge defensive liability out there

 

Not to overstate the obvious but what a huge game tonight. Looks like a "must win" for the Cubs tonight when it is Kluber vs Lackey in Game 4

 

I'm pretty sure Santana has hit leadoff a good chunk if not most of the year for Cleveland. I wonder if the Cubs spray chart shows they generally don't hit to LF very often. Only 3 lefties in the lineup for the Cubs so Santana might be tested often.

[AKCheesehead]

Good. Keep 'em comin', Gleep Glop.

[1992casey]

In case you haven't been counting, the Indians just pitched their fifth shutout in eleven games this postseason. The Cubs have been shut out four times in thirteen games.

[homer]

Well Cubs can't clinch at home......so at the very least I have that.

[sdcheezhd]

I went to the 2001 United States (and Toronto) Series between the Diamondbacks and Yankees and I paid face value $60/ea for game 1 tickets in the 2nd row from the top of then,Bank One Ballpark. Bought a ticket off a broker for game number 7 for $180,3rd base side lower level.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

I got seats for the 3d and 4th games of the 2011 NLDS for face at the last minute (lots of strange things had to happen for the Brewers to be playing in that series). Neither game was sold out. I kicked myself for not realizing that the All-Star game played in Phoenix earlier that year didn't sell out either.

 

I got 1st row in the left field bleachers for $25 for game 3. I really hate that stadium though it feels like you are in a warehouse watching a baseball game.

 

Exactly. An overly chilled warehouse.

[danzig6767]

Amazing how baseball has evolved to where come postseason time, bullpens have become close to or equal with starting pitching in terms of importance.

[AKCheesehead]

Amazing how baseball has evolved to where come postseason time, bullpens have become close to or equal with starting pitching in terms of importance.

 

And a manager's aptitude, or lack thereof, for most advantageously using their bullpen is right up there in importance too.

[stalton]

Amazing how baseball has evolved to where come postseason time, bullpens have become close to or equal with starting pitching in terms of importance.

 

Anecdotally, I've wondered if TLR was on the forefront of this evolution. I think he is a giant tool among other things, but he has had a forward way of thinking.

[1992casey]

Anecdotally, I've wondered if TLR was on the forefront of this evolution. I think he is a giant tool among other things, but he has had a forward way of thinking.

 

He wasn't a forward thinker at all in the D'Backs front office. But his bullpen usage in the 2011 NLCS ran circles around Ron Roenicke.

 

Other examples where Tony led the charge include the one-inning closer and having the team's best batter hitting third. I think there was some creativity and logical thought involved in those ideas, but now that we've experienced them, I think it's time to roll them back. We now have bullpens full of one-inning pitchers. And stats have shown that the #3 hitter comes to the plate with two out and nobody on base more often than anyone else.

 

There's also the idea of the pitcher hitting eighth. Although the results are pretty neutral, the idea was definitely creative.

 

As far as bullpens in general, I think we're seeing that they have a lot more value than we might have thought a decade or so ago. Because they work in a lot of high-leverage situations, it's not as simple as saying that they pitch fewer innings than starters. Still, it's not worth spending a lot of money on bullpens. It's too much of a crapshoot.

[1992casey]

Lineups, Indians vs. Cubs, Game 4:

 

Indians

1. LF Rajai Davis ®
   
2. 2B Jason Kipnis (L)
   
3. SS Francisco Lindor (S)
   
4. 1B Carlos Santana (S)
   
5. 3B José Ramírez (S)
   
6. RF Lonnie Chisenhall (L)
   
7. C Roberto Pérez ®
   
8. CF Tyler Naquin (L)
   
9. RHP Corey Kluber ®

 

Cubs

1. CF Dexter Fowler (S)
   
2. 3B Kris Bryant ®
   
3. 1B Anthony Rizzo (L)
   
4. LF Ben Zobrist (S)
   
5. C Willson Contreras ®
   
6. SS Addison Russell ®
   
7. RF Jason Heyward (L)
   
8. 2B Javier Baez ®
   
9. RHP John Lackey ®