The future at 3B

[MKE81]

Perez doesn't get on base. He's best used in a super utility role. He's very valuable in that role. I wouldn't part at all with Cordell for this guy. He's a potential starting OF with pop and speed.

[pacopete4]

He's been a 2+ WAR player the last 2 seasons and the signing of Thames tells me they are looking to compete as soon as 2018 but I still think they can get him without jeopardizing their longer term future as well. Solarte would be a nice target. Perez or Gennett and Jungmann perhaps? Maybe Nelson as the key piece?

 

I wouldn't hesitate with Gennett and Jungmann for Solarte. I don't think I would include Perez because of his ability to play all over the field for us. I just can't see them moving Solarte for those two pieces though.

[yoshii8]

I love the idea of Solarte, he seems to have improved every season so far, and would definitely be a great addition at 3b. Hopefully Stearns is looking into it.

[pacopete4]

I like the idea of Solarte because he's a switch hitter. With adding Thames and having Villar. That's a nice way to be able to set up your lineup no matter who you are facing.

 

1. Villar- 2B

2. Santana- RF

3. Braun- LF

4. Solarte- 3B

5. Thames- 1B

6. Broxton- CF

7. Susac- C

8. Arcia- SS

 

I could live with this. And if Braun is traded, well then it's an adjustment no matter who is going to play LF.

 

 

Solarte has a cool .346/.379/.692/1.072 at Miller Park (29 AB's), OPS is roughly the same on both sides of the plate over his career, and last year his OPS was almost 100 points higher away from Petco. Couple that with his ability to play 3B (position in need), 1B and 2B and this just feels like a guy Stearns would target.

[MrTPlush]

He's been a 2+ WAR player the last 2 seasons and the signing of Thames tells me they are looking to compete as soon as 2018 but I still think they can get him without jeopardizing their longer term future as well. Solarte would be a nice target. Perez or Gennett and Jungmann perhaps? Maybe Nelson as the key piece?

 

I wouldn't hesitate with Gennett and Jungmann for Solarte. I don't think I would include Perez because of his ability to play all over the field for us. I just can't see them moving Solarte for those two pieces though.

 

You aren't getting Solarte for garbage. Both of those players have value almost equal to zero. Solarte is a legit starter at 3B and controllable for three years. Want him? Well you are going to pay the price.

[pacopete4]

He's been a 2+ WAR player the last 2 seasons and the signing of Thames tells me they are looking to compete as soon as 2018 but I still think they can get him without jeopardizing their longer term future as well. Solarte would be a nice target. Perez or Gennett and Jungmann perhaps? Maybe Nelson as the key piece?

 

I wouldn't hesitate with Gennett and Jungmann for Solarte. I don't think I would include Perez because of his ability to play all over the field for us. I just can't see them moving Solarte for those two pieces though.

 

You aren't getting Solarte for garbage. Both of those players have value almost equal to zero. Solarte is a legit starter at 3B and controllable for three years. Want him? Well you are going to pay the price.

 

 

That's why I said what I did. I would be in favor of moving an outfield piece for him. Maybe a guy like Reed? Again, the interest has to match up, but it would be nice to have a stable 3B. For as much as we want to wait it out for a guy like Lucas Erceg, he's not a sure thing either. I would rather have a Solarte for the next two seasons and see the progress of an Erceg to determine whether or not we have to make other arrangements.

[reillymcshane]

Solarte's value is kind of tough to peg - I think mainly because there's not a ton of upside over what he is right now. He's kind of a step above average - but not by a lot. If you lined up the top 30 third basemen in baseball, I bet he'd be right around the middle. Again, solid, but nothing spectacular.

 

(For fun, off the top of my head, here's who I would see as better: Bryant, Machado, Beltre, Donaldson, Turner, Longoria, Moustakas, Bregman, Rendon, Arenado, Prado, Carpenter (if he is a 3B anymore), Lamb - that's 13 guys, and I'm probably missing a player or two - and I'm not even getting into young guys like Franco and Sano).

 

But a 2.0-2.5 WAR third baseman isn't too bad (but it's not that great either), so it's not like he would only cost failed prospects or other junk. You have to give up value to get value.

 

Someone mentioned Cordell, but I doubt that's enough. But who knows. The Padres might really like the guy.

[MrTPlush]

I doubt they bite on a Cordell type just because the ceiling is a bit limited. Would probably take a Nottingham/Devin Williams to be the center piece at worst. While he is only a 2.5 WAR player, but he is extremely cheap for three years. I would be surprised if it took a Prince/Lopez to head a deal.

[pacopete4]

Solarte's value is kind of tough to peg - I think mainly because there's not a ton of upside over what he is right now. He's kind of a step above average - but not by a lot. If you lined up the top 30 third basemen in baseball, I bet he'd be right around the middle. Again, solid, but nothing spectacular.

 

(For fun, off the top of my head, here's who I would see as better: Bryant, Machado, Beltre, Donaldson, Turner, Longoria, Moustakas, Bregman, Rendon, Arenado, Prado, Carpenter (if he is a 3B anymore), Lamb - that's 13 guys, and I'm probably missing a player or two - and I'm not even getting into young guys like Franco and Sano).

 

But a 2.0-2.5 WAR third baseman isn't too bad (but it's not that great either), so it's not like he would only cost failed prospects or other junk. You have to give up value to get value.

 

Someone mentioned Cordell, but I doubt that's enough. But who knows. The Padres might really like the guy.

 

By WAR alone last year he ranked 22nd on ESPN Stats. Oddly enough, there is Perez at #23. Even though maybe it is because he played all over the place last year.

[CheeseheadInQC]

Yah, I don't think he'd net one of the Brewers' top prospects (one Padres site was talking about Ortiz or Isan Diaz, which I think would be a non-starter from the Brewers' perspective). At the minimum, though, you're probably looking at maybe something like Cordell and Devin Williams.

[brewcrewdue80]

Heres where Maldy goes to, and Brett Phillips for Solarte. What I think would be accepted by San Diego.

[MrTPlush]

Yah, I don't think he'd net one of the Brewers' top prospects (one Padres site was talking about Ortiz or Isan Diaz, which I think would be a non-starter from the Brewers' perspective). At the minimum, though, you're probably looking at maybe something like Cordell and Devin Williams.

 

Yah due to the three years of control and adding in value for his cheapness through arbitration you are looking at giving up multiple legitimate prospects. Actually just thinking about it Khris Davis is probably a really good comp value wise. A fringy Top 100 prospect might be required(though obviously a higher risk Top 100 range guy).

 

Solarte would be a guy I would aggresively pursue if we were confident in our team going into the next three years. Unfortunately the team just hasn't formed emoughed to the point making trades would make a whole lot of sense.

[MrTPlush]

Heres where Maldy goes to, and Brett Phillips for Solarte. What I think would be accepted by San Diego.

 

Yah the Padres would probably be jumping on a deal with Phillips involved, but that is probably too much from the Brewers perspective. Even more so considering there are still quite a few question marks surrounding the team.

[jerichoholicninja]

Heres where Maldy goes to, and Brett Phillips for Solarte. What I think would be accepted by San Diego.

 

That would be such a Melvin move. Solarte isn't a bad 3B option but it doesn't make any sense for the Brewers to give up any actual prospects for him.

[MKE81]

Heres where Maldy goes to, and Brett Phillips for Solarte. What I think would be accepted by San Diego.

 

That would be such a Melvin move. Solarte isn't a bad 3B option but it doesn't make any sense for the Brewers to give up any actual prospects for him.

I'm in the same boat as you. He's a decent 3b option and you don't give up any real value. If it's taking Cordell/Williams or Nottingham/Williams or better then I laugh and hang up the phone. I think Cordell is underrated in general and definitely within our system considering he can actually stick in CF defensively and has a power/speed combo while making good contact consistently. He's average/above average in all tools except speed (plus). No way you give up Cordell for Solarte let alone adding Williams in with that.

 

The Padres have Luis Sardinas as their starting SS on the depth chart. Their entire rotation is comprised of 4-5's and 2-3 of them are very young. Another 2 will miss the season due to TJ. Their CF isn't good. Their current 2b profiles more as a 3b with a power bat and the other 2b (who's better) has a torn hammy. The Brewers can provide relief in several spots at the MLB level right now

[MrTPlush]

I would give up real value if we were a team that was competing or close to it. Solarte is a great role player and avoids having a Yuni B at SS situation like we had in 2011.

[pacopete4]

I think we just traded for our Solarte. The future at 3B... [sarcasm]case closed[/sarcasm].

[FVBrewerFan]

I think we just traded for our Solarte. The future at 3B... [sarcasm]case closed[/sarcasm].

 

Yes and no. Depends on what you mean by "future." To me, Shaw/Perez is case closed for "present-ish" rather than future. As of right now, Erceg is still the future.

[brewcrewdue80]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/01/latest-on-jae-gyun-hwang.html

 

Speculating still some interest from Milwaukee, though I wonder if that is just from old news before Shaw trade occured.

 

Now of teams listed in the article, One would think Milwaukee presented the most chance of regular play.

[mrn1ceguy]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/01/latest-on-jae-gyun-hwang.html

 

Speculating still some interest from Milwaukee, though I wonder if that is just from old news before Shaw trade occured.

 

Now of teams listed in the article, One would think Milwaukee presented the most chance of regular play.

 

With no one of note ready to play 3B in AAA and it seems he's only looking for a deal that puts him on the 40-man roster, it may be a good cheap option similar to Aoki (backup mlb 3B or AAA 3B). This would serve as a backup plan in case Shaw falls apart or he surprises and tears it up. Also wouldn't be stealing reps at AAA this year from anyone. Lastly, if he makes the mlb roster, he would be able to leverage Thames to help with the transition.

[And That]

While Hwang is looking for a 40-man spot, which he'll probably get, I would not assume he'd be a lock to make the MLB roster. So he wouldn't necessarily have to fit with Perez/Shaw/Arcia/Villar all at the same time if his contract permits him to be optioned to Colorado Springs.

[JohnBriggs12]

I honestly don't think anyone at MLBTR has a clue about Hernan Perez.

[brewcrewdue80]

I honestly don't think anyone at MLBTR has a clue about Hernan Perez.

 

Searching Perez's name on site and you are on to something. The only mention for Perez on the Brewers was when they claimed him and designated Elian Herrera.

[brewcrewdue80]

Hwang was signed to a Minor League deal with the Giants. Kinda surprised if he was willing to sign such a deal the Brewers didn't get in on him. I know we have Shaw and Perez, but I think when you can play this guy at your AAA home being Colorado Springs, his performance could be to interest in a trade, but meanwhile, you insure a backup plan to Shaw depending which bat shows up.

[JohnBriggs12]

Listen to a Cub's telecast or broadcast sometime when they are playing the Brewers. Of all the Brewers, they single out Perez probably more than anyone for positive comments. An at bat he had against Chapman last year where he fouled off a number of 100 mph pitches, before lining a single had them in awe, basically saying it was the best AB anyone had all year against him.