The future at 3B

[recte44]

How about Howie Kendrick for a Hill-esque flip?

 

Sent from my LGLS450 using Tapatalk

[nate82]

How about Howie Kendrick for a Hill-esque flip?

 

Sent from my LGLS450 using Tapatalk

 

I don't see the Dodgers giving up Kendrick. A good thought but Kendrick fills a few holes that the Dodgers have in the OF and at 2B and that is just to valuable for the Dodgers to give up.

[jerichoholicninja]

How about Howie Kendrick for a Hill-esque flip?

 

Sent from my LGLS450 using Tapatalk

 

I don't see the Dodgers giving up Kendrick. A good thought but Kendrick fills a few holes that the Dodgers have in the OF and at 2B and that is just to valuable for the Dodgers to give up.

 

Howie has said he wants out though.

[nate82]

 

Howie has said he wants out though.

 

True but the Dodgers are not just going to give him up for nothing and I see them valuing him because of his versatility. I am not sure Utley will return and that leaves a hole at 2B for the Dodgers and I strongly believe the Dodgers are going to trade Puig this off season which opens up another spot in the OF. Even if Kendrick wants out now I just can't see the Dodgers trading him unless they are getting back a major league piece to plug a whole with his departure.

[recte44]

Too late.

 

Sent from my LGLS450 using Tapatalk

[recte44]

And it cost the Phillies basically nothing. Damn.

 

Sent from my LGLS450 using Tapatalk

[LouisEly]

Anthony Rizzo was a Top 50 prospect while Andrew Cashner was only once in his entire career ranked a Top 100 prospect. He barely squeezed in Pre-2010 at #95 with BA.

False - Rizzo was #75 pre-2012 on BP and BA but was unranked on MLB.com pre-2012 (the trade was made in January of 2012). (Funny how what #75 ranking comes into play.) Cashner was in the majors two years after he was drafted. I also believe he was off the prospect lists pre-2011 because he had >50 IP and 123 days of major league service time - and thus no longer qualified for rookie status in 2011 - but I could be wrong about that.

 

Then again this makes sense to you because you think Brinson is around #75 while everyone else on the planet agrees he is in the Top 20. So I guess the only person who is going to agree with you on trading Brinson for a #75 area 3B prospect is you.

I was also the first person on this message board who thought that Mike Fiers and Jacob Barnes were legitimate pitching prospects. I've been proven right on a few things over the years.

 

I hope Brinson is the top-20 prospect that everyone on the planet except me thinks he is. However, if the Brewers shouldn't trade him because he is a 5-tool talent and the best CF prospect in the system... then why did the Rangers trade him?

[trwi7]

However, if the Brewers shouldn't trade him because he is a 5-tool talent and the best CF prospect in the system... then why did the Rangers trade him?

 

What? Are you being serious? They traded him because they're in win now mode and he's not ready for the majors. Why did Cleveland trade Clint Frazier? Why did Chicago trade Gleyber Torres?

 

Teams trade top prospects all the time when they're in contention.

[Eye Black]

One potentially cheap option at 3B is 29-year old South Korean Jae-gyun Hwang. He worked out at the IMG baseball academy in Florida today for reportedly around 20 MLB teams (30 scouts). He hit 14 of the 24 pitches he faced over the fence.

 

Here is the Twitter Link which includes a short video of the workout.

 

Additionally here is a Fangraphs article on Jae-gyun Hwang and a highlight video from the linked article...

 

[MrTPlush]

Anthony Rizzo was a Top 50 prospect while Andrew Cashner was only once in his entire career ranked a Top 100 prospect. He barely squeezed in Pre-2010 at #95 with BA.

 

 

False - Rizzo was #75 pre-2012 on BP and BA but was unranked on MLB.com pre-2012 (the trade was made in January of 2012). (Funny how what #75 ranking comes into play.)

 

Cashner was in the majors two years after he was drafted.

 

I hope Brinson is the top-20 prospect that everyone on the planet except me thinks he is. However, if the Brewers shouldn't trade him because he is a 5-tool talent and the best CF prospect in the system... then why did the Rangers trade him?

 

Not False. He was #47 on BAs pre-2012 list, #41 by Fangraphs, and #37 on MLB.com list. Proof: http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2012/2612998.html

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-100-prospects-for-2012/

http://www.bleachernation.com/2012/01/26/the-chicago-cubs-have-three-of-the-2012-pre-season-top-100-prospects/

 

 

That means just about nothing.

 

Because they were competing had a good team, and had a shot to win their first World Series in franchise history? The same reason we traded a boatload of talent for Sabathia/Greinke/Marcum. Just because you trade something away doesn't mean you don't think they won't turn out. A lot of GMs will admit they think a player is going to be a star, but needed the win now talent. The Brewers shouldn't trade him for a lesser prospect like you want to. If they can find a a 3B prospect ranked near the top, sure, go for it.

[MKE81]

Anthony Rizzo was a Top 50 prospect while Andrew Cashner was only once in his entire career ranked a Top 100 prospect. He barely squeezed in Pre-2010 at #95 with BA.

False - Rizzo was #75 pre-2012 on BP and BA but was unranked on MLB.com pre-2012 (the trade was made in January of 2012). (Funny how what #75 ranking comes into play.) Cashner was in the majors two years after he was drafted. I also believe he was off the prospect lists pre-2011 because he had >50 IP and 123 days of major league service time - and thus no longer qualified for rookie status in 2011 - but I could be wrong about that.

 

Then again this makes sense to you because you think Brinson is around #75 while everyone else on the planet agrees he is in the Top 20. So I guess the only person who is going to agree with you on trading Brinson for a #75 area 3B prospect is you.

I was also the first person on this message board who thought that Mike Fiers and Jacob Barnes were legitimate pitching prospects. I've been proven right on a few things over the years.

 

I hope Brinson is the top-20 prospect that everyone on the planet except me thinks he is. However, if the Brewers shouldn't trade him because he is a 5-tool talent and the best CF prospect in the system... then why did the Rangers trade him?

False - Rizzo was 75 on BA and 69 on BP (pre 2011) then he was 37, 47, 75 pre-2012 for all three. He was a Top 47 on two lists when traded. The internet is a funny thing.

 

WOW- you really went out on a limb calling Barnes/Fiers legitimate pitching prospects. Not like they had very good success at every level or anything.

 

The Rangers could afford to trade Brinson to acquire a Top 3 catcher and very good back end pen arm. They did everything to push Gallo but knew they wouldn't get Lucroy/Jeffress without giving up Brinson. Excellent prospects and MLB players are traded annually

[pacopete4]

One potentially cheap option at 3B is 29-year old South Korean Jae-gyun Hwang. He worked out at the IMG baseball academy in Florida today for reportedly around 20 MLB teams (30 scouts). He hit 14 of the 24 pitches he faced over the fence.

 

Here is the Twitter Link which includes a short video of the workout.

 

Additionally here is a Fangraphs article on Jae-gyun Hwang and a highlight video from the linked article...

 

 

 

I'd have no issue with us taking a shot on this guy leaving Perez as super utility.

[MKE81]

One potentially cheap option at 3B is 29-year old South Korean Jae-gyun Hwang. He worked out at the IMG baseball academy in Florida today for reportedly around 20 MLB teams (30 scouts). He hit 14 of the 24 pitches he faced over the fence.

 

Here is the Twitter Link which includes a short video of the workout.

 

Additionally here is a Fangraphs article on Jae-gyun Hwang and a highlight video from the linked article...

 

 

 

I'd have no issue with us taking a shot on this guy leaving Perez as super utility.

I'm on board with this. While I wouldn't mind Perez starting at 3b I'd rather have him as super utility. Hwang looks like he's definitely worth a shot. What would his price tag be?

[jerichoholicninja]

He was posted last year and no one bid on him. So it's hard to gauge a price for him. Byung Ho Park signed with the Twins for $3M a year at the same age last offseason. I would think $5M per year would be the tops Hwang could get.

[JohnBriggs12]

Why all the angst about 3B? As long as Gennett is still here, Villar will play there. If Scooter gets traded, Perez can play there. Yes he's great as a super utility, but with all the OF they have, and Arcia and Villar in the middle infield, the opportunities for him might not be as great as they were in 2016. Villar was shaky there defensively but he should be more comfortable there in 2017.

 

They have a lot more holes than 3B on this roster. They need lefty bullpen help. They need to unload Garza. They could use an upgrade at catcher. They could use a lefty hitting power bat better than Nieuwenhuis to do some platooning in OF and spell Carter at 1B.

 

Valbuena would not be a bad FA signing either as he can play some 1B too.

 

The future at 3B, beyond 2018, is Erceg, but if he doesn't pan out, it's not like they can't acquire one somewhere.

[pacopete4]

Why all the angst about 3B?

 

If you have the opportunity to snag a player that can play at a high level in the MLB, you take it. (Not sure this is the guy that can, but he is intriguing) Perez does not get on base enough to be a quality starter. But as a super utility, spot starter, injury filler, he's great. If we were to grab this guy and he fills the 3B role, all of a sudden Scooter doesn't even have to be on this team. I know you're concerned about lefty bats, and if this guy was a lefty, your tune would probably be different. But it has been pointed out several times that it does not matter what hand you bat as long as you hit right-handed pitching well.

[MKE81]

Why all the angst about 3B? As long as Gennett is still here, Villar will play there. If Scooter gets traded, Perez can play there. Yes he's great as a super utility, but with all the OF they have, and Arcia and Villar in the middle infield, the opportunities for him might not be as great as they were in 2016. Villar was shaky there defensively but he should be more comfortable there in 2017.

 

They have a lot more holes than 3B on this roster. They need lefty bullpen help. They need to unload Garza. They could use an upgrade at catcher. They could use a lefty hitting power bat better than Nieuwenhuis to do some platooning in OF and spell Carter at 1B.

 

Valbuena would not be a bad FA signing either as he can play some 1B too.

 

The future at 3B, beyond 2018, is Erceg, but if he doesn't pan out, it's not like they can't acquire one somewhere.

There is no 3b right now or for the next 2-3yrs. Villar is a middle IF who can fill in at 3b, he's not a starter there for a career. He'll also be more valuable as an up the middle player. A Hwang type at 3b allows Villar to go to 2b, which then increases the offensive and defensive output of the IF as a whole. Scooter "should" be as good as gone. Perez, as stated above, isn't a regular. While I'd be comfortable with him starting he's more effective as a utility, which is why they need to find a 3b to start for the next 2-3yrs. If the opportunities aren't as great for Perez this year compared to last then so be it. This team won't be built around what's best for him, nor should it.

 

Both Susac and Pina already are upgrades over Maldy. They don't need a lefty bat they need quality players. The Brewers have been good at finding pen arms for some years now. It's not difficult to focus on multiple position upgrades simultaneously. Nobody's saying 3b is a top priority but it needs to be addressed hence this discussion

[brewcrewdue80]

That would be an interesting and great signing if you get Hwang. Watching the video, he has gamer written all over him. Laying out to catch a foul bunt on the 1b side and catch it? What was there at least 3 GW HRs? But the play that sold me, a Grounder straight to the SS, who proceeded to watch and wait for the ball to bounce to him and then make a desperate throw that would never get the runner out....Well here's Hwang darting from his 3b position gobbles the ball up 8-10 feet infront of that Standing still SS, and Hwang guns a throw that gets the out at 1b.

I like that his numbers appear to progress positive over last 5years. Jumping to 26 on HRs each of last 2 seasons and 2016 coming in 74 less PAs. If Kenta Maeda can be signed for 8years/25million. I'd think we could sign Hwang for 5/20mil. or 4/16. If not even cheaper. I mean, the guy wasn't signed last year.

 

If any part of that gamer appearance is true, he could turn in to a leader of these young future Brewers in 2years. And if he doesn't turn out, at 4mil per year well, that's money during this period that isn't going to affect the payroll. Also, makes trading away reasonable to any other team interested.

[pacopete4]

Just move Braun back. Happy thanksgiving everyone.

[HighHeat19]

2017....Luis Valbuena.

[reillymcshane]

Padres are reportedly shopping 29-year old switch hitting 3B Yangervis Solarte.

 

Solarte hit .286 last year with 15 HR. He had an .808 OPS last year - the first time he's had an OPS over .800 - so any team is buying high on the guy. He's generally graded out avergeish defensively.

 

As noted, he's a switch hitter and has mostly hit pretty same from either side of the plate (.756 OPS as a left vs .736 OPS as a righty).

 

WAR puts him around a 2.0-2.5 type guy the last couple of years. Not great - but not bad either.

 

He has three years of control remaining - and projects to make about $2.7M next year in his first season of arby.

 

I'm not advocating for the guy, but he would certainly be an okay player to have. I wouldn't count on him for an .800 OPS - but getting out of SD may help him a bit. A guy hitting .750-.800 OPS and playing average defense at 3B is a pretty decent guy to have. I don't see a lot of upside beyond an .800 OPS type player. His switch hitting would be nice to have.

 

He's also play 2B and 1B - so he does have some defensively flexibility.

 

Not sure what he would cost to acquire.

[HighHeat19]

Never nervous Yangervis would make an ideal candidate for our third baseman and move him over to first against lefties, but I'm not sure who you would give up. His away stats were greater than his home stats which is typical of Petco. If we could get a low .800 OPS guy at cheap I'm all for it. Maybe a purge of mediocre outfielders in Demi Orimolye or Monte Harrison as we currently have a full house in the OF department. However, that's about all I would give up for him.

 

The focus has to be on 2019+. I would wait and see what kind of reclamation projects are available come January. But, if he comes cheap, prospect wise. I would be for it.

[adambr2]

Agree with HighHeat. I wouldn't mind him, but I wouldn't part with anything in our top 10. Some excess OF prospect, like the aforementioned or maybe Cordell or Tyrone Taylor would be okay.

[JohnBriggs12]

He's been a 2+ WAR player the last 2 seasons and the signing of Thames tells me they are looking to compete as soon as 2018 but I still think they can get him without jeopardizing their longer term future as well. Solarte would be a nice target. Perez or Gennett and Jungmann perhaps? Maybe Nelson as the key piece?

[mlloyd10]

Just keep Perez at 3B - He's 25 and ( I would believe) hasn't reached his power potential.