College Basketball 2016-2017

[pacopete4]

Two plays stand out to me from one player. Iverson's inability to dunk the ball or lay it in for a four point lead and then on the next play him getting beat to the hoop for Florida to tie it up. After watching it, it felt like he was shocked to see the guy going in for the layup. Talk about a moment he stores in the back of his brain for the remainder of his time and never lets it happen again.

[superfly]

Two plays stand out to me from one player. Iverson's inability to dunk the ball or lay it in for a four point lead and then on the next play him getting beat to the hoop for Florida to tie it up. After watching it, it felt like he was shocked to see the guy going in for the layup. Talk about a moment he stores in the back of his brain for the remainder of his time and never lets it happen again.

 

Baffling that one of the most athletic guys in the conference gets blocked by a kid that shoots granny free throws.

[MrTPlush]

I thought the Badgers were toast at approx. the 9min mark in the 2nd half when Vito Brown made a stupid foul that was an easy bucket for Florida which gave him 4 on the day. Then, I believe, Ethan Happ trotted down the court to pick up his 4th foul being an idiot on offense. Two of their productive players on the day had 4 fouls with almost 25% of the game left. That quietly costed them the game before missing a bunch of free throws came into play. You can't have important players racking up fouls like that so early in the game. Not against good teams.

 

It is too bad it took so long into the game for Wisconsin to play decently. At one point they were shooting 60% and 50% from three point land and were losing somehow. The early fouls and turnovers just killed them.

[brewcrewdue80]

I thought the Badgers were toast at approx. the 9min mark in the 2nd half when Vito Brown made a stupid foul that was an easy bucket for Florida which gave him 4 on the day. Then, I believe, Ethan Happ trotted down the court to pick up his 4th foul being an idiot on offense. Two of their productive players on the day had 4 fouls with almost 25% of the game left. That quietly costed them the game before missing a bunch of free throws came into play. You can't have important players racking up fouls like that so early in the game. Not against good teams.

 

It is too bad it took so long into the game for Wisconsin to play decently. At one point they were shooting 60% and 50% from three point land and were losing somehow. The early fouls and turnovers just killed them.

 

That Happ foul with 9mins to go was the wrong call, defenders feet were inside that arc line where O-fouls are not to be called, he stops Happ with ball has contact, that is a blocking foul. One of many egregious foul calls on the Badgers. I believe Happ made that shot, which was waved off...-2pts. You have Happ's foul on the 3pt shot near end of the half a terrible call. Standing straight up back turned and the FL guy flops away like major contact effected him, certainly not on the shot. Take the OT tip. I mean a foul on a ball nobody had a chance to control on 2 players diving for the ball. Showalter remained under control, the FL guy dove all the way to court so I suppose refs decided, like many falling FL out of control shots to whistle WI. Try that Barry kid. After Happ makes it a 4pt game and Jordan Hill brought in to the game #11 for WI moments earlier, Barry gets a pass and dribbles hard front shoulder straight in to Hill who was just standing still and they whistle Hill for a foul, what should have been a Charge on Barry completely out of control. Rather than make 2FTs to make it a 2pt game leading to Iverson's failed layup, it would have been Badgers ball, Hill shooting 2 FTs with :37 left up 4.

 

In the end, Hayes, all those missed FTs, but he makes what to me should have been a miss on purpose. Under the circumstance with 4secs to go, No timeouts, you gather a rebound on the miss will take near a second off the clock right there, potentially more. Now you're scrambling to get the ball in the hands of a guard who likely rushes just inside of half court and having to shoot from there. Making that FT allowed them to set up on an inbound with pass deeper than where a rebound would have taken place, on the run down court rather in a static position before moving forward. So disappointing after that shot Showalter nailed to tie at the buzzer to blow a 5pt lead with 1:09 to go. I mean think about Iverson's missed Layup, if he'd have pulled back upon catching the ball the clock would have run down to about 6secs if fully expired. But really, of all Badgers he's the one that dunks with authority, but at that instant, he did the release for a lay-in and gave the defender the ability to disrupt it.

 

sigh, it was just right there and it slipped.

[MrTPlush]

Of those fouls you mentioned I recall a few of them:

 

1.Happ with 9mins left--You may or may not be right here. Even if you are right it was incredibly stupid on Happ's part regardless. He shouldn't be shouldering a player that hard anytime and really not with 3 fouls so early.

 

2.Foul on the 3-pointer--I agree probably not a good call(never gave a good view) and a flop job to put the icing on the cake. Though Florida was called for some ticky tack fouls on multiple occasions.

 

3.Hill foul at the end--Clear foul on Hill. He was not set and Barry went straight into him knowing he wasn't set to get the foul.

 

Now regarding the last free throws I agree that one should probably miss it. Making it only gave them a 2 point lead and Florida is likely shooting a three no matter what so it's not like an extra point would matter. They should have intentionally missed and double teamed the person coming down with the rebound. That alone would likely end the game.

[homer]

The refs were horrible both ways but Florida's flopping sure made it seem like it was worse for UW.

 

And UW has been one of the better teams at defending the three point shot since....well, since forever.

[young guns]

Hayes is so bad at free throws he probably tried to miss and it went in.

[DHonks]

Of those fouls you mentioned I recall a few of them:

 

1.Happ with 9mins left--You may or may not be right here. Even if you are right it was incredibly stupid on Happ's part regardless. He shouldn't be shouldering a player that hard anytime and really not with 3 fouls so early.

 

2.Foul on the 3-pointer--I agree probably not a good call(never gave a good view) and a flop job to put the icing on the cake. Though Florida was called for some ticky tack fouls on multiple occasions.

 

3.Hill foul at the end--Clear foul on Hill. He was not set and Barry went straight into him knowing he wasn't set to get the foul.

 

Now regarding the last free throws I agree that one should probably miss it. Making it only gave them a 2 point lead and Florida is likely shooting a three no matter what so it's not like an extra point would matter. They should have intentionally missed and double teamed the person coming down with the rebound. That alone would likely end the game.

 

Mrtplush is correct here.

 

1- Happ wasn't called for a typical charge, he was called for the upper body shoulder. It nothing to do with a no charge zone. He did two efforts to drop his shoulder, both could have been called, but the official called the 2nd

 

3- Barry was dribbling quickly but the defender was moving and impeded his path, creating contact. Had Barry used his elbow or forearm it would have been offensive, but he didn't.

[owbc]

Which is more embarrassing?

 

-59% FT percentage, missing 7 free throws in the sweet 16

-88% FT percentage, shooting underhand

[stoutdude04]

Which is more embarrassing?

 

-59% FT percentage, missing 7 free throws in the sweet 16

-88% FT percentage, shooting underhand

 

I realize the thought, but I wish some of these guys would try it. 49 percent happ? Cmon.

[brewcrewdue80]

Hayes is so bad at free throws he probably tried to miss and it went in.

 

If you try to miss and make, wow that is pathetic. Shoot at left or right side of the rim, simple as that. Trying to miss while still shooting towards center of basket? So glad you have been receiving an education that shows youve taken no initiative to learning. I mean how is this scenario not practiced? In this instance its to run out the clock. But theres instances where you need to catch the rebound and score. Clanking hopefully hard off the side of the rim the ball shoots off 5 or 6feet towards the sideline and it's abnormal for a block out to push an offensive rebounder in that direction. You are instead protecting the rim and that O-rebounder may have a clean run out to grab such a bounce. Especially if you're planning and expecting such.

 

 

That Happ 3pt foul. Hes a rebounder usually around the rim, his turn around body bumping the shooter well past the shot is called blocking out. If you're whistling that then you are whistling every missed shot.

[DHonks]

wow, that's pretty ridiculous the animosity towards Barry's style. I don't care how someone shoots if it goes in. It's not embarrassing at all, it's extremely effective. Are you embarrassed when teams deploy knuckleball pitchers? Are you embarrassed when teams win on hail mary's or trick plays? It may be a novelty, but it's awesome. Plus, it's almost like you are completely disregarding his outstanding collegiate career and his tremendous athleticism. I'm in awe of the grad degree he's working towards. Yes, he came from far more privilege than most college hoops players, but he should be praised for his talents and be the epitome of a college student-athlete (given the other thread) rather than mocked for FT form. Maybe Hayes and Happ should be trying something new, because they need something that works better.

[stoutdude04]

wow, that's pretty ridiculous the animosity towards Barry's style. I don't care how someone shoots if it goes in. It's not embarrassing at all, it's extremely effective. Are you embarrassed when teams deploy knuckleball pitchers? Are you embarrassed when teams win on hail mary's or trick plays? It may be a novelty, but it's awesome. Plus, it's almost like you are completely disregarding his outstanding collegiate career and his tremendous athleticism. I'm in awe of the grad degree he's working towards. Yes, he came from far more privilege than most college hoops players, but he should be praised for his talents and be the epitome of a college student-athlete (given the other thread) rather than mocked for FT form. Maybe Hayes and Happ should be trying something new, because they need something that works better.

 

Agreed. If it works, do it.

[pacopete4]

Happ should seriously consider it. It would add a lot to his game to be able to make free throws.

[homer]

I don't think Happ fouled the guy on that three pointer. Floppage.

 

Vitto did for sure though. That one was legit.

[MrTPlush]

wow, that's pretty ridiculous the animosity towards Barry's style.

 

A Badger's fan making fun of something related to free throws.

[Jimbo]

OK, a little late to this conversation. Just had to say it has been 40 years since I've seen an underhand foul shot. Then I saw the name on the back of the jersey, which relates to 40 years ago.

[davego]

Defend the inbound pass...always...

[homer]

Defend the inbound pass...always...

 

I think it's debatable since the guy could run the baseline. If he was stuck in one spot then much easier decision.

[pacopete4]

Defend the inbound pass...always...

 

I think it's debatable since the guy could run the baseline. If he was stuck in one spot then much easier decision.

 

 

What isn't debatable is the fact that even without defending the baseline, it was like they were playing defense with two people instead of five on that last play.

[fondybrewfan]

Even after he got by Trice/Hayes I was hoping the back line guys would step up and make it more contested. Unlikely he could pass over the top of them and allow for a shot in time. But even if they managed that it only would have been tied.

 

The failure was on Hayes/Trice; you at least have to make him crossover or hesitate. If they would have done that it would have been a running 30 footer with more pressure. It is what is is; I don't find myself still freaking out about it because Showalter's shot to tie it was even tougher then the one it took to win it.

[FVBrewerFan]

Defend the inbound pass...always...

 

I think it's debatable since the guy could run the baseline. If he was stuck in one spot then much easier decision.

 

 

What isn't debatable is the fact that even without defending the baseline, it was like they were playing defense with two people instead of five on that last play.

 

Yea, they didn't defend the inbounds pass OR the shooter. And that's stuff they practice, so no excuse really- especially for such a senior-laden team.

[homer]

At the end of the day the guy took a running three pointer. He probably misses that with no defense at all 80% of the time. Tip your cap to the kid for making a great shot.

[davego]

Florida won the game, hats off (no hat debate here). The Badgers were fortunate to have an opportunity to win. That said, I'd suggest their strategy at the end of the game was curious. I'm bias to defending the inbound pass, but if the decision was not to do so, then a trap or double on the first pass is a viable option. If the ball-handler gets to 1/2 court without duress, the odds for a "good" shot certainly increases.

[MrTPlush]

Wisconsin was in a crummy situation because they only had a 2 point lead. They couldn't be too aggressive risking a foul. They did the best they could. They tried to slow him down as much as they could getting across half court and it forced a pretty poor type of shot. Not sure how you really defend someone shooting like that. I think they did the right thing and unfortunately sometimes you just don't win. Florida played it pretty well fanning everyone out so it was 1 on 1. Wisconsin stuck their extra guy under the basket incase he drove it into the basket.

 

It's easy to say be aggressive and press until it causes a foul or it breaks down leading to an easy shot under the basket.