College Basketball 2016-2017

[tmwiese55]

UW didn't have a spot for the older Hauser, going to end up biting us. We essentially chose guys like Hill and Dearring over banking a scholarship to balance the classes instead of only have 1 in that class. Or you could say we chose taking all 3 of Thomas, Illikanen, AVV but I don't know how the timing went down on all that...

 

He's a perfect fit for our system and to go with the other committed players. Hopefully he sees that and the winning they could do together. But it's up to him on what he values and I don't blame anyone for their choice.

[FVBrewerFan]

Right, only they know where they want to go to school and play basketball. I don't hold it against them at all, just seems like they're a perfect fit for UW.

[brwrsfan]

From what I recall, the Badgers didn't really even recruit Sam Hauser, and I'm not sure they ever made an offer (could be wrong). So he didn't have the option to go to WI despite being an almost perfect fit for the offense. The parents seem to have been offended by this but they are going hard after Joey Hauser - I think he's giving them a serious look. My guess is he stays in state, but goes to play with Sam at Marquette, but who knows. Hard to really guess what the ultimate factors are for 16-18 year old kids.

[tmwiese55]

From what I recall, the Badgers didn't really even recruit Sam Hauser, and I'm not sure they ever made an offer (could be wrong). So he didn't have the option to go to WI despite being an almost perfect fit for the offense. The parents seem to have been offended by this but they are going hard after Joey Hauser - I think he's giving them a serious look. My guess is he stays in state, but goes to play with Sam at Marquette, but who knows. Hard to really guess what the ultimate factors are for 16-18 year old kids.

 

Somewhat correct from what the recruitment reporters say. Story is Gard wanted him and thought he was capable of contributing at the B1G level, Bo wasn't sure. But either way they were upfront with the family that they only had one scholarship and desperately needed a PG. They hoped a spot opened (Dearring did eventually leave, but too late) but couldn't guarantee it. So it was probably best they operated accordingly, which the family did. Some say family is bitter, others say they appreciated the upfront-ness about it instead of jerking them around or lying like many schools do, who knows. I also think he decided fairly early to secure his spot at Marq, who knows if he waited maybe they would've pushed Dearing out earlier. Kind of a bit of bad timing from many spots combined with bad recruiting of Hill/Dearing. So it seems they did recruit him and had regular contact, just couldn't get him a spot. Who knows if the family is bitter, but it's still a huge advantage to have the bro at Marquette and a negative for UW to convince him to compete against his bro. Most recruit-nicks say older Hauser would've went UW if they could've took him, but who knows. Really too bad as both kids seem great fits for our system.

 

I have a bad feeling he ends up at MSU or UVA. I'd rather him at UVA than Marq or MSU. MSU would probably be my most disliked choice. But can't blame that, Izzo is a great coach and puts tons of players into the Association.

[Surhoff5]

 

Somewhat correct from what the recruitment reporters say. Story is Gard wanted him and thought he was capable of contributing at the B1G level, Bo wasn't sure. But either way they were upfront with the family that they only had one scholarship and desperately needed a PG. They hoped a spot opened (Dearring did eventually leave, but too late) but couldn't guarantee it. So it was probably best they operated accordingly, which the family did. Some say family is bitter, others say they appreciated the upfront-ness about it instead of jerking them around or lying like many schools do, who knows. I also think he decided fairly early to secure his spot at Marq, who knows if he waited maybe they would've pushed Dearing out earlier. Kind of a bit of bad timing from many spots combined with bad recruiting of Hill/Dearing. So it seems they did recruit him and had regular contact, just couldn't get him a spot. Who knows if the family is bitter, but it's still a huge advantage to have the bro at Marquette and a negative for UW to convince him to compete against his bro. Most recruit-nicks say older Hauser would've went UW if they could've took him, but who knows. Really too bad as both kids seem great fits for our system.

 

I have a bad feeling he ends up at MSU or UVA. I'd rather him at UVA than Marq or MSU. MSU would probably be my most disliked choice. But can't blame that, Izzo is a great coach and puts tons of players into the Association.

 

 

You beat me to it, but this is exactly right. UW liked him, but absolutely needed a PG in the 2016 class. Trice has had his ups and downs, but he appears to be a good one too. Only when Dearring transferred did a scholarship open up and they took Ford along with Trice. By all accounts, Ford looks to be a good one as well, but we will have to wait until he actually suits up for a real game to find out. I think Joey Houser ends up at MSU, but like tmwiese55 said, I sure hope not.

[tmwiese55]

One would at least think Marq making the tourney and just generally being a solid team this year helped insure Woj is there a while. That had to be a concern in the back of their mind. Say they wouldn't have made it this year and next, Woj could've easily been out. At least getting this appearance buys him some time. So that's a plus for Marquette.

[FVBrewerFan]

That reminds me, didn't a couple of Marquette recruits follow Buzz to VA Tech? I remember at least one kid (from GA) was a pretty high recruit. I was so focused on the game the other day, I forgot all abut this. Does anyone know if any former MU recruits got playing time for VA Tech vs UW?

[fondybrewfan]

Anyone watching the State Tournament last weekend saw Kobe King absolutely show he can contribute next year. Why he isn't liked more by the recruiting experts who knows. Probably his very early commitment to UW is partially to blame; didn't get the other offers that experts would use to upgrade his star rating.

 

Davison I think can step in and be a backup PG immediately and Reuvers has a chance to be a nice 4. Great thing is that all 3 kids can shoot it and next years teams is going to need shooters.

 

Don't like talking about next year so much when they have a real Final 4 opportunity this weekend; just pointing out Gard is doing a great job getting talent in. The true SOPH class has flamed out so far outside of Iverson but like clockwork I expect at least one of Van Vliet, Pritzl, Thomas, and Illikainen to come in next year and be a nice player. Who that is I don't know.

[brwrsfan]

That reminds me, didn't a couple of Marquette recruits follow Buzz to VA Tech? I remember at least one kid (from GA) was a pretty high recruit. I was so focused on the game the other day, I forgot all abut this. Does anyone know if any former MU recruits got playing time for VA Tech vs UW?

 

Two of them did for sure - Ahmed Hill and Satchel Pierce. Hill played against Wisconsin, looks like he averaged about 11 points a game this year. Pierce barely played his first two seasons and appears to have transferred to Penn State.

[FVBrewerFan]

That reminds me, didn't a couple of Marquette recruits follow Buzz to VA Tech? I remember at least one kid (from GA) was a pretty high recruit. I was so focused on the game the other day, I forgot all abut this. Does anyone know if any former MU recruits got playing time for VA Tech vs UW?

 

Two of them did for sure - Ahmed Hill and Satchel Pierce. Hill played against Wisconsin, looks like he averaged about 11 points a game this year. Pierce barely played his first two seasons and appears to have transferred to Penn State.

 

Thanks! Yea, I think the Hill kid is the one I had in mind.

[homer]

Anyone watching the State Tournament last weekend saw Kobe King absolutely show he can contribute next year. Why he isn't liked more by the recruiting experts who knows. Probably his very early commitment to UW is partially to blame; didn't get the other offers that experts would use to upgrade his star rating.

 

Davison I think can step in and be a backup PG immediately and Reuvers has a chance to be a nice 4. Great thing is that all 3 kids can shoot it and next years teams is going to need shooters.

 

Don't like talking about next year so much when they have a real Final 4 opportunity this weekend; just pointing out Gard is doing a great job getting talent in. The true SOPH class has flamed out so far outside of Iverson but like clockwork I expect at least one of Van Vliet, Pritzl, Thomas, and Illikainen to come in next year and be a nice player. Who that is I don't know.

 

I think he missed a big chunk of AAU time with an injury. That's when most of those scouting services rank those guys.

[LouisEly]

Yes, Duke has won a couple of national championships, including beating the Badgers a couple of years ago.

 

But for an elite program they sure have a hard time making it out of the first round, much less to the Sweet 16.

 

Mercer anyone?

 

Or how about Lehigh?

 

I count at least four times in the last 10 seasons they have been 3 seeds or higher and not made it to the Sweet 16 (with two of those dropping first round games).

[LouisEly]

With Duane Wilson stating he will graduate and transfer, that's another Buzz recruit that has left the program under Wojo and the last Buzz recruit left in the program. While Wojo was hired in April of 2014, his first recruiting class was 2015 so next year's freshmen will be only his third recruiting class.

 

Now they have three open scholarships for next season. Hopefully they can find another Reinhart and a PF as graduate transfers. They also need a guard in their recruiting class.

[homer]

Yes, Duke has won a couple of national championships, including beating the Badgers a couple of years ago.

 

But for an elite program they sure have a hard time making it out of the first round, much less to the Sweet 16.

 

Mercer anyone?

 

Or how about Lehigh?

 

I count at least four times in the last 10 seasons they have been 3 seeds or higher and not made it to the Sweet 16 (with two of those dropping first round games).

 

 

I think anyone would trade a couple of national championships for a few years of getting ousted the first weekend.

[stalton]

Yes, Duke has won a couple of national championships, including beating the Badgers a couple of years ago.

 

But for an elite program they sure have a hard time making it out of the first round, much less to the Sweet 16.

 

Mercer anyone?

 

Or how about Lehigh?

 

I count at least four times in the last 10 seasons they have been 3 seeds or higher and not made it to the Sweet 16 (with two of those dropping first round games).

 

 

I think anyone would trade a couple of national championships for a few years of getting ousted the first weekend.

 

This reminds me of the hypothetical question posed in the ML forum. Does one want a a guaranteed (ish) championship and potentially stinky performances to follow or does one want to be continually very solid with the hope that the dominos fall correctly.

[brwrsfan]

I'd take the one. Just for that one moment of winning it all. Because you never know when or if the dominos might fall right or when you'll have another chance at it. It might think differently if we had won several of them, but for Wisconsin (football/basketball), Marquette and the Brewers it's basically never happened (not in my 35 years at least).

[MrTPlush]

Yes, Duke has won a couple of national championships, including beating the Badgers a couple of years ago.

 

But for an elite program they sure have a hard time making it out of the first round, much less to the Sweet 16.

 

Mercer anyone?

 

Or how about Lehigh?

 

I count at least four times in the last 10 seasons they have been 3 seeds or higher and not made it to the Sweet 16 (with two of those dropping first round games).

 

 

I think anyone would trade a couple of national championships for a few years of getting ousted the first weekend.

 

This reminds me of the hypothetical question posed in the ML forum. Does one want a a guaranteed (ish) championship and potentially stinky performances to follow or does one want to be continually very solid with the hope that the dominos fall correctly.

 

Except a little different as Duke is usually really good in the regular season regardless and highly enjoyable to watch. It's not like they are flat out missing the tourney etc.

 

I'm taking the off years if you ask me. Nothing special about making the Sweet 16 a lot. All about Final Four appearances and Elite 8 appearances to an extent. I will take some early exits if it means more deep runs. Not to mention even with early exits I'm sure I still had a fantastic regular season which is just as fun.

[tmwiese55]

I think UCONN would be the right team to use as an example. 3 titles in 20ish years but several years of blahness and not even making the tourney.

 

As much as I like the consistency. I'd trade it for a title. Losing that Duke game really was rough and getting so close made me appreciate how awesome it would've been to win. If we won I'd have been fine with losing early the next few years and maybe not making the tourney say next year when we lose so much. 9 point lead with 12 mins to go, probably the closest we'll get to a title in either sport.

[homer]

I think it depends on the program too. Wisconsin's consistent success is very satisfying to me. Yeah I'd love a national title but I realize the recruiting limitations they have (e.g. not many in-state 5 star recruits, high academic standards, etc.) makes that unlikely most years. They've built a program and a system that maximizes available talent.

[MrTPlush]

If the consistency continues you will want to trade it for a title. Consistency quickly becomes the norm and then it isn't so special.

[superfly]

9 point lead with 12 mins to go, probably the closest we'll get to a title in either sport.

 

You never know. It only takes a couple of cinderellas and it's anybody's trophy to win. UNC and Kentucky nearly went home, Nova/Duke did, etc.

[brwrsfan]

I don't expect the Badgers to win the title this year but it's not impossible...look at Uconn a few years ago. Came out of nowhere as a lower seed, got hot caught a break or two and won the whole thing.

 

But...one game at a time. Find a way to beat Florida first, then worry about what's next.

[homer]

If the consistency continues you will want to trade it for a title. Consistency quickly becomes the norm and then it isn't so special.

 

Well yeah everyone wants more than what they have unfortunately. Lucky for me I went to UW when they made the NCAA tourney for the first time in 40 years and the football team made the Rose Bowl for the first time in 28 years. I do not take the recent couple of decades for granted. The deck is really stacked against Wisconsin in those two sports. I'm doubtful they'll ever win a title in either. Hence I'm ok with being really good all time time.

[DHonks]

That reminds me, didn't a couple of Marquette recruits follow Buzz to VA Tech? I remember at least one kid (from GA) was a pretty high recruit. I was so focused on the game the other day, I forgot all abut this. Does anyone know if any former MU recruits got playing time for VA Tech vs UW?

 

Two of them did for sure - Ahmed Hill and Satchel Pierce. Hill played against Wisconsin, looks like he averaged about 11 points a game this year. Pierce barely played his first two seasons and appears to have transferred to Penn State.

 

 

Pierce isn't on the team having transferred to Penn St last May, and alternates between adequate starter or solid backup. Shayok is very good for Virginia. Cohen will be at UWGB in 2018-19, I think.

[MrTPlush]

I'd say Wisconsin has a decent chance to win it this year. Their half of the bracket is incredibly easy at this point(all things considered). The other side is a bit tougher, but you won't see that until the championship game and at that point it's the flip of a coin.