2016 Post-Season Community Top 25 Prospect Poll - Voting has closed.

[And That]

Using CheezWhizHead's wonderful spreadsheet, and with my own adjustments and unnecessarily complicated additions to his calculations, it spits out:

 

[pre]Ranking Name Position

1 Lewis Brinson CF

2 Josh Hader LHSP

3 Brett Phillips CF

4 Phil Bickford RHSP

5 Brandon Woodruff RHSP

6 Luis Ortiz RHSP

7 Trent Clark CF

8 Isan Diaz 2B

9 Marcos Diplan RHSP

10 Freddy Peralta RHSP

11 Jorge Lopez RHSP

12 Jacob Barnes RHRP

13 Ryan Cordell CF

14 Wei-Chung Wang LHSP

15 Cody Ponce RHSP

16 Corey Ray CF

17 Jordan Yamamoto RHSP

18 Jon Perrin RHSP

19 Corbin Burnes RHSP

20 Michael Reed OF

21 Gilbert Lara SS

22 Lucas Erceg 3B

23 Kodi Medeiros LHSP

24 Aaron Wilkerson RHSP

25 Zack Brown RHSP

26 Trey Supak RHSP

27 Miguel Diaz RHSP

28 David Burkhalter RHSP

29 Devin Williams RHSP

30 Troy Stokes OF

31 Jon Olczak RHRP

32 Daniel Brown LHSP

33 Kyle Wren CF

34 Tyrone Taylor CF

35 Adrian Houser RHSP

36 Emerson Gibbs RHSP

37 Joantgel Segovia CF

38 Jacob Nottingham C

39 Angel Ventura RHSP

40 Mario Feliciano C

41 Bubba Derby RHSP

42 Conor Harber RHSP

43 Jesus Lujano CF

44 Thomas Jankins RHSP

45 Jorge Ortega RHSP

46 Yadiel Rivera SS

47 Yhonathan Barrios RHRP

48 Gabriel Garcia 1B

49 Garrett Cooper 1B

50 Daniel Missaki RHSP

51 Aaron Myers RHSP

52 Jose Sibrian C

53 Luis Aviles SS

54 Drake Owenby LHSP

55 Braden Webb RHSP

56 Brad Kuntz LHRP

57 Tristan Archer RHRP

58 Rymer Liriano OF

59 Dustin Houle C

60 Damien Magnifico RHRP

61 Mitch Lambson LHRP

62 Nate Griep RHRP

63 Angel Ortega SS

64 Johan Dominguez RHSP

65 Javier Betancourt 2B

66 Chad McClanahan 3B

67 Wendell Rijo 2B

68 Brent Suter LHRP

69 Eric Hanhold RHSP

70 Aaron Familia 3B

71 Jordan Desguin RHSP

72 Nash Walters RHSP

73 Max McDowell C

74 Tyler Spurlin RHRP

75 Moises Perez 1B

76 Demi Orimoloye OF

77 Carlos Herrera RHSP

78 Clint Coulter OF

79 Tucker Neuhaus 2B

80 Nathan Rodriguez C

81 Nate Orf 3B

82 Nathan Kirby LHSP

83 Luis Manon 2B

84 Ronnie Gideon 1B

85 Blake Allemand SS

86 Monte Harrison CF

87 Jake Gatewood 1B

88 Trey York 2B

89 Nate Griep RHRP

90 Wes Wilson 3B

91 Franly Mallen 2B

92 George Iskenderian 2B

93 Taylor Williams RHRP

94 David Denson OF

95 Mitch Ghelfi 1B

96 Victor Roache OF

97 Dustin Demuth 1B

98 Payton Henry C

99 Quintin Torres-Costa LHRP

100 Miguel Sanchez RHRP[/pre]

[Roderick]

1. Brinson

2. I. Diaz

3. Hader

4. Ray

5. L.Ortiz

6. Woodruff

7. Bickford

8. Diplan

9. Phillips

10. Clark

11. Erceg

12. Suter

13. Cordell

14. J. Lopez

15. Ponce

16. Lara

17. J. Barnes

18. F. Peralta

19. Stokes

20. Nottingham

21. Kirby

22. Medeiros

23. C. Burnes

24. Yamamoto

25. Supak

 

26. Wang

27. Magnifico

 

Still fine tuning.....

[Scooter102783]

This is getting tougher to do, which is a good thing I suppose. It'll be interesting to see if we add more prospect talent this off-season that can permeate this top-25 group.

 

1. Lewis Brinson

2. Josh Hader

3. Luis Ortiz

4. Isan Diaz

5. Brett Phillips

6. Corey Ray

7. Phil Bickford

8. Trent Clark

9. Marcos Diplan

10. Lucas Erceg

11. Brandon Woodruff

12. Cody Ponce

13. Jorge Lopez

14. Jacob Notthingham

15. Freddy Peralta

16. Gilbert Lara

17. Devin Williams

18. Ryan Cordell

19. Jordan Yamamoto

20. Corbin Burnes

21. Jake Gatewood

22. Demi Orimoloye

23. Wei-Chung Wang

24. Miguel Diaz

25. Monte Harrison

 

Next 5:

26. Clint Coulter

27. Jacob Barnes

28. Kodi Mederios

29. Michael Reed

30. Braden Webb

[splitterpfj]

1. Lewis Brinson

2. Josh Hader

3. Luis Ortiz

4. Corey Ray

5. Isan Diaz

6. Brett Phillips

7. Phil Bickford

8. Brandon Woodruff

9. Trent Clark

10.Gilbert Lara

11.Marcos Diplan

12.Corbin Burnes

13.Freddy Peralta

14.Ryan Cordell

15.Jacob Nottingham

16.Lucas Erceg

17.Monte Harrison

18. Wei-Chung Wang

19.Cody Ponce

20.Jorge Lopez

21.Miguel Diaz

22.Trey Supak

23.Nathan Kirby

24.Kodi Medeiros

25.Demi Orimoloye

[zjl3]

1. Lewis Brinson

2. Josh Hader

3. Corey Ray

4. Luis Ortiz

5. Isan Diaz

6. Phil Bickford

7. Brett Phillips

8. Trent Clark

9. Lucas Erceg

10. Brandon Woodruff

11. Cody Ponce

12. Corbin Burnes

13. Braden Webb

14. Chad McClanhan

15. Mario Feliciano

16. Jorge Lopez

17. Marcos Diplan

18. Gilbert Lara

19. Jake Nottingham

20. Freddy Peralta

21. Nate Kirby

22. Devin Williams

23. Kodi Medeiros

24. Jacob Gatewood

25. Monte Harrison

[CheezWizHed]

1. Lewis Brinson

2. Josh Hader

3. Corey Ray

4. Luis Ortiz

5. Isan Diaz

6. Phil Bickford

7. Brett Phillips

8. Trent Clark

9. Lucas Erceg

10. Brandon Woodruff

11. Cody Ponce

12. Corbin Burnes

13. Braden Webb

14. Chad McClanhan

15. Mario Feliciano

16. Jorge Lopez

17. Marcos Diplan

18. Gilbert Lara

19. Jake Nottingham

20. Freddy Peralta

21. Nate Kirby

22. Devin Williams

23. Kodi Medeiros

24. Jacob Gatewood

25. Monte Harrison

 

I'm curious... any significance to the bolded players?

[CheezWizHed]

Using CheezWhizHead's wonderful spreadsheet, and with my own adjustments and unnecessarily complicated additions to his calculations, it spits out:

 

[pre]Ranking Name Position

1 Lewis Brinson CF

2 Josh Hader LHSP

3 Brett Phillips CF

4 Phil Bickford RHSP

5 Brandon Woodruff RHSP

6 Luis Ortiz RHSP

7 Trent Clark CF

8 Isan Diaz 2B

9 Marcos Diplan RHSP

10 Freddy Peralta RHSP

11 Jorge Lopez RHSP

12 Jacob Barnes RHRP

13 Ryan Cordell CF

14 Wei-Chung Wang LHSP

15 Cody Ponce RHSP

16 Corey Ray CF

17 Jordan Yamamoto RHSP

18 Jon Perrin RHSP

19 Corbin Burnes RHSP

20 Michael Reed OF

21 Gilbert Lara SS

22 Lucas Erceg 3B

23 Kodi Medeiros LHSP

24 Aaron Wilkerson RHSP

25 Zack Brown RHSP

26 Trey Supak RHSP

27 Miguel Diaz RHSP

28 David Burkhalter RHSP

29 Devin Williams RHSP

30 Troy Stokes OF

31 Jon Olczak RHRP

32 Daniel Brown LHSP

33 Kyle Wren CF

34 Tyrone Taylor CF

35 Adrian Houser RHSP

36 Emerson Gibbs RHSP

37 Joantgel Segovia CF

38 Jacob Nottingham C

39 Angel Ventura RHSP

40 Mario Feliciano C

41 Bubba Derby RHSP

42 Conor Harber RHSP

43 Jesus Lujano CF

44 Thomas Jankins RHSP

45 Jorge Ortega RHSP

46 Yadiel Rivera SS

47 Yhonathan Barrios RHRP

48 Gabriel Garcia 1B

49 Garrett Cooper 1B

50 Daniel Missaki RHSP

51 Aaron Myers RHSP

52 Jose Sibrian C

53 Luis Aviles SS

54 Drake Owenby LHSP

55 Braden Webb RHSP

56 Brad Kuntz LHRP

57 Tristan Archer RHRP

58 Rymer Liriano OF

59 Dustin Houle C

60 Damien Magnifico RHRP

61 Mitch Lambson LHRP

62 Nate Griep RHRP

63 Angel Ortega SS

64 Johan Dominguez RHSP

65 Javier Betancourt 2B

66 Chad McClanahan 3B

67 Wendell Rijo 2B

68 Brent Suter LHRP

69 Eric Hanhold RHSP

70 Aaron Familia 3B

71 Jordan Desguin RHSP

72 Nash Walters RHSP

73 Max McDowell C

74 Tyler Spurlin RHRP

75 Moises Perez 1B

76 Demi Orimoloye OF

77 Carlos Herrera RHSP

78 Clint Coulter OF

79 Tucker Neuhaus 2B

80 Nathan Rodriguez C

81 Nate Orf 3B

82 Nathan Kirby LHSP

83 Luis Manon 2B

84 Ronnie Gideon 1B

85 Blake Allemand SS

86 Monte Harrison CF

87 Jake Gatewood 1B

88 Trey York 2B

89 Nate Griep RHRP

90 Wes Wilson 3B

91 Franly Mallen 2B

92 George Iskenderian 2B

93 Taylor Williams RHRP

94 David Denson OF

95 Mitch Ghelfi 1B

96 Victor Roache OF

97 Dustin Demuth 1B

98 Payton Henry C

99 Quintin Torres-Costa LHRP

100 Miguel Sanchez RHRP[/pre]

 

How does it line-up with your own gut feelings? I was surprised to see Monte and Gatewood down in the 80s.

[And That]

One of the bits I'm struggling with in the calculation that generates the list is weighting production vs. potential, namely at what point do you say, OK, this guy has all the potential in the world, but he's just not getting it done. High potential/low production guys seem to tend to linger on the back end of prospect lists for longer than they should, I think because people don't want to give up on them. I'm trying to create a calculation that doesn't let players linger too long. Is the 80s way too low for Harrison? Yah, probably, but that's where I am with the formula and one thing I forbade myself to do is adjust the calculation because a guy isn't where I think (in my gut) he should be.

 

Down in A-ball, where I have Harrison playing (again) next year, the calculation is weighted heavily towards scouting info, so his struggles and inability to stay on the field aren't magnified a lot yet, but they count for something.

 

I do think pitching is a little heavily weighted, which is one of the things I'll look at before next spring.

[FVBrewerFan]

Along those lines, some guys (Medeiros) living almost exclusively on potential seem to keep fetching high ranking, while others like Gatewood hasn't been ranked high at all by most.

 

I'm no huge Gatewood fan, but the guy has shown power, and at least a decent hit tool. Just seems like he's still young and is showing some potential whereas a guy like Medeiros gets shelled in the ultimate pitcher's park. I guess all this tells us is none of our ratings are a perfect science.

[zjl3]

1. Lewis Brinson

2. Josh Hader

3. Corey Ray

4. Luis Ortiz

5. Isan Diaz

6. Phil Bickford

7. Brett Phillips

8. Trent Clark

9. Lucas Erceg

10. Brandon Woodruff

11. Cody Ponce

12. Corbin Burnes

13. Braden Webb

14. Chad McClanhan

15. Mario Feliciano

16. Jorge Lopez

17. Marcos Diplan

18. Gilbert Lara

19. Jake Nottingham

20. Freddy Peralta

21. Nate Kirby

22. Devin Williams

23. Kodi Medeiros

24. Jacob Gatewood

25. Monte Harrison

 

I'm curious... any significance to the bolded players?

 

 

Bolded is Tier 1 Guys

[reillymcshane]

A little over a week left. We are barely over 20 ballots at this point, so if you haven't voted, get your's in soon. Thanks.

[brewcrewdue80]

1. Isan Diaz-My Favorite in the system now with Arcia gone

2. Josh Hader-Ks, Ks, Ks! Think he'll translate well

3. Luis Ortiz- Well, we have him He's very good..Just hope he stays in healthy weight.

4. Marcos Diplan-Very Deserving, flying under radar for a former top rating International Pitcher. Only 20 there's still projection coming

5. Phil Bickford-Hard Thrower who I like.

6. Lewis Brinson- Like Corey Ray I'm not high on the overalls. Low tools for 5 tools.

7. Lucas Erceg-Could be best pick of entire 2016 draft.

8. Brett Phillips- Big fan still feel like he'll bounce back over take Brinson

9. Trent Clark-Lot of faith here.

10. Brandon Woodruff- Seems a popular picking. Has numbers to confirm.

11. Corey Ray-Like Brinson I just feel 5 tools but none excels ceiling-wise.

12. Monte Harrison-With that, I think he has louder tools forthcoming, Stay Healthy My Friend!

13. Gilbert Lara-I'm sad he's here. One of these years please put it together.

14. Jorge Lopez-Gotta be a bounceback in there.

15. Kodi Medeiros- Still has lots of time to amaze

16. Freddy Peralta- Like Woodruff, produces. He'd be higher if taller.

17. Jake Nottingham-Thump in a Catcher's bat

18. Cody Ponce-There's a future. Keeps up the 5ERA it'll be as a RP but a good one

19. Nate Kirby-When will his career start

20. Jake Gatewood-Someone said his bb rate dropped late in season. I remember it at 1/83 at one point turning to 18/141. That's improvement

21. Miquel Diaz-Because I had Nate Kirby here twice.

22. Ryan Cordell-Has that kind of nice depth bat to him

23. Demi Orimoloye-Wish he played more. Own Domingo Santana?

24. Jordan Yamamoto-Another popular name with numbers to back up so here he is.

25. Franly Mallen-Producing more than last year, progress

26. Trey York- Seems to produce better than most would expect

27. Chad McClanahan-Hype spot here. Let's see more

[Noche]

Lucas Erceg, Taylor Williams, Mario Feliciano and Gabriel Garcia are the big risers since mid-season. Erceg has as much helium as anyone in the minors right now. Williams will be a fantastic late inning guy at least. Feliciano and Garcia seemed to impress the AZL scouts while putting up numbers as 17/18 year olds. Could see Nate Kirby getting a similar bump pending his scouting reports during lead up to 2017 season. Ryan Cordell basically takes over Keon Broxton's old spot and I think they could be similarly impactful/useful big leaguers. Bumped Diplan over Ponce but both are fantastic prospects. Hell of a Lucroy trade made by Stearns.

 

Go Brewers!

 

1. Lewis Brinson (+1)

2. Luis Ortiz (+1)

3. Josh Hader (+1)

4. Corey Ray (+1)

5. Trent Clark (+1)

6. Isan Diaz (+1)

7. Phil Bickford (+1)

8. Brett Phillips (+1)

9. Brandon Woodruff (+1)

10. Lucas Erceg (+13)

11. Taylor Williams (+14)

12. Marcos Diplan (+2)

13. Cody Ponce (-2)

14. Jacob Nottingham (-2)

15. Monte Harrison (-)

16. Demi Orimoloye (-3)

17. Freddy Peralta (+1)

18. Kodi Medeiros (-2)

19. Jorge Lopez (-2)

20. Devin Williams (-1)

21. Nathan Kirby (-)

22. Corbin Burns (-)

23. Ryan Cordell (NR)

24. Gilbert Lara (-)

25. Mario Feliciano (+24)

26. Gabriel Garcia (NR)

27. Michael Reed (-1)

28. Rymer Liriano (-1)

29. Braden Webb (-1)

30. Zack Brown (-1)

31.Aaron Wilkerson (-1)

32.Jon Perrin (-1)

33.Brent Suter (-1)

34.Tyrone Taylor (-1)

35. Joantgel Segovia (-)

36. Troy Stokes (-)

37. Angel Ventura (-)

38. Miguel Diaz (-)

39. Trey Supak (-)

40. Clint Coulter (-)

41. Javier Betancourt (-7)

42. Bubba Derby (-1)

43. Adrian Houser (-1)

44. Carlos Herrera (-1)

45. Jacob Gatewood (-1)

46. Chad McClanahan (-1)

47. Nate Orf (-1)

48. Garret Cooper (-1)

49. Zach Clark (-1)

50. Franley Mallen (-)

[patrickgpe]

1. Brinson

2. I. Diaz

3. Ortiz

4. Ray

5. Hader

6. Bickford

7. Clark

8. Phillips

9. Lopez

10. Diplan

11. Erceg

12. Woodruff

13. Ponce

14. Medeiros

15 Lara

16.Nottingham

17. Harrison

18. Burnes

19. Cordell

20. Williams

21. Orimoloye

22. Gatewood

23. Peralta

24. Feliciano

25. Kirby

[tbbrewers]

1. Lewis Brinson

2. Josh Hader

3. Isan Diaz

4. Luis Ortiz

5. Corey Ray

6. Lucas Erceg

7. Phil Bickford

8. Brandon Woodruff

9. Trent Clark

10. Brett Phillips

11. Marcus Diplan

12. Jorge Lopez

13. Gilbert Lara

14. Cody Ponce

15. Ryan Cordell

16. Jacob Nottingham

17. Nathan Kirby

18. Corbin Barnes

19. Freddy Peralta

20. Devin Williams

21. Taylor Williams

22. Kodi Medeiros

23. Monte Harrison

24. Clint Counlter

25. Jack Gatewood

[ctmyers]

1. Lewis Brinson

2. Josh Hader

3. Brandon Woodruff

4. Isan Diaz

5. Luis Ortiz

6. Phil Bickford

7. Brett Phillips

8. Corey Ray

9. Marcos Diplan

10. Jacob Nottingham

11. Lucas Erceg

12. Cody Ponce

13. Jorge Lopez

14. Trent Clark

15. Angel Ventura

16. Freddy Peralta

17. Devin Williams

18. Jake Gatewood

19. Monte Harrison

20. Miguel Diaz

21. Kodi Medieros

22. Clint Coulter

23. Corbin Burnes

24. Kyle Wren

25. Damien Magnifico

[heresrobin]

1. Lewis Brinson

2. Josh Hader

3. Isan Diaz

4. Brandon Woodruff

5. Luis Ortiz

6. Phil Bickford

7. Corey Ray

8. Lucas Erceg

9. Marcos Diplan

10. Trent Clark

11. Brett Phillips

12. Corbin Burnes

13. Wei-Chung Wang

14. Jon Perrin

15. Jordan Yamamoto

16. Gilbert Lara

17. Ryan Cordell

18. Demi Orimoloye

19. Jake Gatewood

20. Brent Suter

21. Jorge Lopez

22. Braden Webb

23. Cody Ponce

24. Kyle Wren

25. Devin Williams

[NolanBratt]

1. Lewis Brinson

2. Josh Hader

3. Luis Ortiz

4. Isan Diaz

5. Corey Ray

6. Phil Bickford

7. Trent Clark

8. Brett Phillips

9. Marcos Diplan

10. Brandon Woodruff

11. Gilbert Lara

12. Lucas Erceg

13. Cody Ponce

14. Devin Williams

15. Jorge Lopez

16. Monte Harrison

17. Jacob Nottingham

18. Ryan Cordell

19. Demi Orimoloye

20. Corbin Burnes

21. Kodi Medeiros

22. Freddy Peralta

23. Nathan Kirby

24. Michael Reed

25. Clint Coulter

 

26. Jake Gatewood

27. Chad McClanahan

28. Miguel Diaz

29. Tyrone Taylor

30. Mario Feliciano

[Eye Black]

1. Lewis Brinson

2. Luis "Lulu" Ortiz

3. Isan Diaz

4. Josh Hader

5. Phil Bickford

6. Trent Clark

7. Corey Ray

8. Brett "Maverick" Phillips

9. Cody Ponce

10. Marcos Diplan

11. Gilbert Lara

12. Brandon Woodruff

13. Lucas Erceg

14. Jorge Lopez

15. Nathan Kirby

16. Jake Gatewood

17. Jacob Nottingham

18. Devin Williams

19. Freddy Peralta

20. Monte Harrison

21. Ryan Cordell

22. Demi Orimoloye

23. Miguel Diaz

24. Corbin Burnes

25. Michael Reed

[reillymcshane]

Thanks everyone for voting. I am locking this thread now!

 

Watch for results next week.