What could Braun bring from the Dodgers?

[TURBO]

Fielder, Lucroy, Y Betancourt, Hart, TPlush, Sabathia, Sexson, Burnitz. Just off the top of my head.

 

He may be the most beloved by YOU, and that's fine. But talk to people about Braun over the years, and people really didn't "love" him even before the PED thing. The that happened, and he really lost his luster to a lot of fans. Look at his (likely) last AB at Miller Park. It wasn't a crazy loud or long tribute by the fans, like at all. Casual fans I talk to just kind of shrug off a trade, they don't seem to be bothered by it. We're talking about a future HOF player, and most fans really don't care if he's traded, which should tell us something.

 

None of that has anything to do with whether he should be traded or not, just giving you examples of players that fans really loved.

 

Fielder, maybe, had he stayed a Brewer.

 

Lucroy, possibly, but again, I don't think he has the connection, and wasn't here long enough to consider him more beloved than Ryan Braun.

 

Yuni? That was surely supposed to be in blue.

 

Hart over Braun? please.

 

TPush, again, wasn't here long enough to consider, in fact, I think a lot of fans feel he wore out his welcome after his "act" was overplayed.

 

I mentioned Sabathia, but once again, not here long enough to overtake Braun.

 

Sexson and Burnitz, though they were popular, they aren't in the same league of popularity that Braun is and was... They played for horrible Brewer teams, we had no one else to like...lol

 

You gave examples of players that fans really loved, you could include another 10 guys on that list as well, but none of them are in Braun's league. Out of all the players since Yount, who has sold the most jerseys, and which jerseys do you still see the most often at Miller Park? Possibly Lucroy, but Braun jerseys are just everywhere, all the time.

 

As far as fan's reaction to his "possible" last AB in Miller Park, the casual fan has no idea of the distinct possibility that that might be his last AB, had everyone known for 100% positive he was gone, that AB would have sounded a lot different. Putting that much stock into his "possible" last at bat is reaching...

[logan82]

While I was never really a fan of Braun, or Fielder for that matter, I like him as a player. I always liked guys like Weeks, Hart, and Sheets.

[MrTPlush]

Out of all the players since Yount, who has sold the most jerseys, and which jerseys do you still see the most often at Miller Park? Possibly Lucroy, but Braun jerseys are just everywhere, all the time.

 

You see a ton of Braun jerseys because everyone bought one half a decade ago and it isn't often people drop $100 on a jersey. Braun jersey sales are probably a drop of water in an ocean compared to what they used to be. Not to mention even when Braun is gone what will you see? Braun jerseys because it is probably the only one 90% of people own.

 

What would be more important is jersey sales in the present which Braun likely leads now being the only All Star guy on the roster. But his sales probably don't reflect that of someone with his production and I doubt it is an amount we would be hurting over if we traded him. I am betting the last 3-4 years he has been outsold by Lucroy and possibly Gomez.

[FVBrewerFan]

You gave examples of players that fans really loved, you could include another 10 guys on that list as well, but none of them are in Braun's league.

 

Well....yea I gave examples that fans really love. That was your original point, how Braun is the most beloved player since Yount. The question wasn't who is the best player, or who had a longer stay in Milw.

 

Anyhow, no sense debating it any longer as it's one of those things that can never be proven. I'll just leave at this. Most people would agree there has never been this deep love for Ryan Braun.

[pacopete4]

Out of all the players since Yount, who has sold the most jerseys, and which jerseys do you still see the most often at Miller Park? Possibly Lucroy, but Braun jerseys are just everywhere, all the time.

 

You see a ton of Braun jerseys because everyone bought one half a decade ago and it isn't often people drop $100 on a jersey. Braun jersey sales are probably a drop of water in an ocean compared to what they used to be. Not to mention even when Braun is gone what will you see? Braun jerseys because it is probably the only one 90% of people own.

 

What would be more important is jersey sales in the present which Braun likely leads now being the only All Star guy on the roster. But his sales probably don't reflect that of someone with his production and I doubt it is an amount we would be hurting over if we traded him. I am betting the last 3-4 years he has been outsold by Lucroy and possibly Gomez.

 

http://nesn.com/2013/07/ryan-braun-merchandise-sales-increase-following-his-ped-suspension/

 

About the only thing I could find but I'd be willing to bet he's still a prime guy for jerseys being sold. And if he goes to the Dodgers, they'll fly off the shelf in LA if he's hitting like he is. Keep trying to dog the man though.

[TURBO]

Most people would agree there has never been this deep love for Ryan Braun.

 

They would, most?

 

[MrTPlush]

Out of all the players since Yount, who has sold the most jerseys, and which jerseys do you still see the most often at Miller Park? Possibly Lucroy, but Braun jerseys are just everywhere, all the time.

 

You see a ton of Braun jerseys because everyone bought one half a decade ago and it isn't often people drop $100 on a jersey. Braun jersey sales are probably a drop of water in an ocean compared to what they used to be. Not to mention even when Braun is gone what will you see? Braun jerseys because it is probably the only one 90% of people own.

 

What would be more important is jersey sales in the present which Braun likely leads now being the only All Star guy on the roster. But his sales probably don't reflect that of someone with his production and I doubt it is an amount we would be hurting over if we traded him. I am betting the last 3-4 years he has been outsold by Lucroy and possibly Gomez.

 

http://nesn.com/2013/07/ryan-braun-merchandise-sales-increase-following-his-ped-suspension/

 

About the only thing I could find but I'd be willing to bet he's still a prime guy for jerseys being sold. And if he goes to the Dodgers, they'll fly off the shelf in LA if he's hitting like he is. Keep trying to dog the man though.

 

Not dogging Braun at all. It is a fact. You going to buy a Second Braun jersey if they keep him? You think people who haven't bought one in the first 10 years are going to buy one now? Of course not and it's not surprising sales of his merchandise increased after the suspension. It's like everyone wanting a Tebow jersey or wanting an Aaron Hernandez jersey. It is not something long term.

[pacopete4]

 

Not dogging Braun at all. It is a fact. You going to buy a Second Braun jersey if they keep him? You think people who haven't bought one in the first 10 years are going to buy one now? Of course not and it's not surprising sales of his merchandise increased after the suspension. It's like everyone wanting a Tebow jersey or wanting an Aaron Hernandez jersey. It is not something long term.

 

 

Huh? People buy jerseys all the time. It's not like everyone had a Braun jersey 10 years ago. Plus there are new fans to the game constantly. David Ortiz and Molina have been around awhile and his jersey is still selling. You find anything and everything to try to be condescending towards Braun. And anyone who really enjoys the guy you want to smear this crap at them. For the most part, it's just not true. I'm sure Braun sales are doing just fine for Milwaukee 9-10 years after his arrival.

[MrTPlush]

 

Not dogging Braun at all. It is a fact. You going to buy a Second Braun jersey if they keep him? You think people who haven't bought one in the first 10 years are going to buy one now? Of course not and it's not surprising sales of his merchandise increased after the suspension. It's like everyone wanting a Tebow jersey or wanting an Aaron Hernandez jersey. It is not something long term.

 

 

Huh? People buy jerseys all the time. It's not like everyone had a Braun jersey 10 years ago. Plus there are new fans to the game constantly. David Ortiz and Molina have been around awhile and his jersey is still selling. You find anything and everything to try to be condescending towards Braun. And anyone who really enjoys the guy you want to smear this crap at them. For the most part, it's just not true. I'm sure Braun sales are doing just fine for Milwaukee 9-10 years after his arrival.

 

I bet we could sell more Puig jerseys than Braun ones next year

 

Braun is very enjoyable to watch. I am just not a giant super fan and understand why it makes sense to trade him. Elite prospect coming back or not.

[FVBrewerFan]

Most people would agree there has never been this deep love for Ryan Braun.

 

They would, most?

 

 

Yes, most. I have talked to countless fans over the year. Hard core and casual, men and women, young and old. MOST say pretty much the same thing. Love him as a player, but personally not much attachment.

 

It is what it is. I'm not saying he isn't a very popular player, and the fan base is generally behind him. But you used the term "lovable," and that doesn't describe his relationship with MOST fans. Greinke was the same story, by the way.

[pacopete4]

 

Not dogging Braun at all. It is a fact. You going to buy a Second Braun jersey if they keep him? You think people who haven't bought one in the first 10 years are going to buy one now? Of course not and it's not surprising sales of his merchandise increased after the suspension. It's like everyone wanting a Tebow jersey or wanting an Aaron Hernandez jersey. It is not something long term.

 

 

Huh? People buy jerseys all the time. It's not like everyone had a Braun jersey 10 years ago. Plus there are new fans to the game constantly. David Ortiz and Molina have been around awhile and his jersey is still selling. You find anything and everything to try to be condescending towards Braun. And anyone who really enjoys the guy you want to smear this crap at them. For the most part, it's just not true. I'm sure Braun sales are doing just fine for Milwaukee 9-10 years after his arrival.

 

I bet we could sell more Puig jerseys than Braun ones next year

 

Braun is very enjoyable to watch. I am just not a giant super fan and understand why it makes sense to trade him. Elite prospect coming back or not.

 

I would be more willing to bet that if we were any-what good, we'd be selling Braun jersey's like no other.

[JosephC]

 

Dodgers get:

OF Ryan Braun ('17=$19M, '18=$19,'19=$18M,'20=$16,'21=$15 Mutual option/$4 buyout)

 

Brewers get:

RHP Brandon McCarthy ('17=$10M, '18=$10M, '19= $8M option)

RHP Walker Buehler(#7 Mlb.com prospect rank)

SS Gavin Lux (#9)

RHP Brock Stewart (#14)

RHP Chase De Jong (#17)

 

If Sterns really wants Puig, put him back in the deal and take out Stewart and Lux.

 

This actually looks like a much better deal from the Brewers end than the last proposal I had posted which did include top 50 prospect Verdugo but also had the Gennett going to the Dodgers and the Brewers picking up another 15 million in Kendrick's contract. So factor in those benefits, then also add in Buehler and Lux while subtracting out Verdugo and this seems like a real good deal from the Brewer's point of view. And I'd definitely take the combination of Lux and Stewart over Puig. Rather gamble and hope to get 12 years out of those guys rather than 3 years of Puig...especially when the Brewers don't figure to be contenders 2 out of those 3 seasons.

 

The more I think about it the more I like this deal. Buehler is a risk because of the Tommy John surgery but was back on the mound at the end of last year which is encouraging. I really like Lux. Conquered Arizona and then posted a .441 OBP in the Pioneer League. Could be a plus lefty bat that can probably play anywhere in the infield. Being a Wisconsin kid has nothing to with my favorable opinion but it certainly doesn't hurt matters. He's another top 20 pick to throw in with this draft class of Ray, Erceg, Burnes and the rest of the guys...takes a really really good looking class of players and makes it that much stronger.

[JosephC]

I definitely would not exclude Yadier Alvarez from consideration because of the financial investment the Dodgers made in him. The Dodgers sunk 62.5 million dollars into Hector Olivera and before he had a major league at-bat (and before the assault) they ended up trading him. After subtracting out what San Diego is now paying him, it looks like the Dodgers will end up paying 30 million for an international signing that only played in their minor league system prior to him being traded. There were some other contracts included in the initial 3-way swap but even after looking at the dead money the Dodgers picked up in that deal, the amount of money they ate in the Hector Olivera signing would be greater than 20 million. Yes a deal with Alvarez going to Milwaukee would be much different in many aspects than the three way deal the Dodgers made involving Olivera but that's not the point I'm making. I'm only saying that history shows that the Dodgers will not take Alvarez off the table in a potential trade strictly because of the money they have invested in him.

[adambr2]

If your argument for keeping Braun is that you think he will still be performing at a high enough level in 2019 or 2020 to justify keeping him and outweigh any potential trade return for him, I get that. I disagree, but I get it.

 

If your argument for keeping Braun is based on sentiment, I don't understand that. We are rebuilding and Braun is our best trade asset, arguably. It's a time to maximize return, not a time to be sentimental.

[HighHeat19]

Let's hope the Dodgers as a team and especially the OF can't hit their way out of a wet paper bag come the playoffs. Drive the price up for Mr. Braun.

[pacopete4]

https://www.facebook.com/NBCSports/videos/1091055684283116/

 

He's beloved in LA now.

[LouisEly]

The Dodgers are NOT going to be trading Yadier Alvarez anytime soon. His upside is huge and they have way too much invested in him to move him at his current value.

I think the Dodgers ownership group is made up of smart enough business people to recognize that this is a sunk cost. While the average individual consumer irrationally overvalues sunk costs (see Costco, and how members think they need to buy everything there to rationalize the membership fee even if buying in bulk is not a good value due to spoilage and carrying costs; also see Amazon Prime, etc.), I don't think the Dodgers ownership does. It's like holding on to a guy simply because he was a top 5 pick.

 

If you want to use mental accounting (another behavioral economics irrationality principle), you could allocate the remaining portion of Alvarez's signing bonus on top of Braun's salary. The reality is that money spent on Alvarez was a transaction fee to acquire an asset in an open market. It has no value or relevance anymore to the asset it was paid to acquire.

[LouisEly]

Out of all the players since Yount, who has sold the most jerseys, and which jerseys do you still see the most often at Miller Park? Possibly Lucroy, but Braun jerseys are just everywhere, all the time.

 

You see a ton of Braun jerseys because everyone bought one half a decade ago and it isn't often people drop $100 on a jersey.

That's kind of the point. How many of those same people dropped $100 on a Burnitz/Sexson/Hart/Sheets/T-Plush/Fielder/Lucroy/etc.? If they had, they would wear them too... unless they liked Braun more. Most of those guys were on the same team half a decade ago so the fans had a choice of which jersey to buy. The fact that most people rarely buy jerseys - and the fact that they did pony up to buy one for Braun - kind of is the point.

 

While I did see a Burnitz jersey yesterday at the Sports Column outside of Coors Field...

[CheezWizHed]

This is why I put my name on the back of any jersey I buy. Players do stupid things all the time or leave in FA or trades, but I'm still a fan of the team.

[HighHeat19]

People are going to spend their money either way, Braun Jersey or not. I know when I got o Miller Park, I have a budget on what to spend at the fan shop. And I think most people do the same as well. It's whether there is a player that is "liked". Personally, I won't buy Jerseys from players just because I don't want a closet with Chucky Carr and Charlie O'Brien jerseys. So the sentiment/star players sells Jerseys have little affect on revenue.

 

However, winning has a lot of affect on revenue. Which we already know.

[SandyTolan]

So, Puig may have rebuilt his value, at least somewhat. His September/October numbers include a .338 OBP and .900 OPS. With four homers/11 RBIs in 57 ABs. Those are pretty good numbers. And with at least some reports on his recent good behavior (minus the Bumgarner confrontations) , might he be more of a centerpiece than a salary dump/throwin in any deal? How might this affect the discussions between Stearns and the Dodgers? Guess we'll find out in the next few months.

[danzig6767]

There are also the playoffs yet to come. If Puig plays well as part of a Dodgers team which say makes the World Series, they may choose to not even try trading him.

[billymac]

I don't think Puig hinges on this trade to the Dodgers. I think Braun will be dealt to LA returning Puig or not.

[logan82]

They kind of platooned him since he came back up.

[ewitkows]

I think Tor makes sense for Braun. They lose there big bats , and replace them with Braun who can play LF and DH to stay healthy. Maybe Pentecost and Harris or something like that.