The Great PTBNL From Texas Speculation Thread

[brewerfan82]

Can't believe people are still talking about Mendez, not gonna be him

I know it's not likely, but do you have an actual reason for "knowing" this? At the time of the trade he wasn't their number 2 prospect. I don't recall exactly where he was, but he wasn't even in the top 100 at the time and he was #10 in their organization coming into the season. Generally in the media, Brinson, Ortiz and a PTBNL was looked as an underwhelming return for Lucroy and a good swap for Texas, let alone throwing in Jeffress in a market that showed a lot of teams overpaying for relievers (case in point Smith bringing back a similarly ranked pitcher in Bickford PLUS a young, recently highly ranked catcher all on his own).

 

I also don't understand the "if it was Mendez, he'd be a Brewer already" argument. It's been mentioned many places that the PTBNL may have been due to a time constraint, possibly preventing physicals from being performed in time. If Stearns then had the option to wait til the end of the season to choose a player, how awful would it have been for him to take Mendez right away and then he ends up hurt from a pre-existing condition that may not have shown up in an examination?

 

I just don't see how some people are so sure without having any inside information. The best I can guess is it's to prevent themselves from being disappointed if/when it's not him. Again, I don't expect it to be him, I'd be thrilled if it was, but I'm also not going to be disappointed just because I'm allowing myself to acknowledge the possibility it could be him. It's just a little irritating that people with no inside information have taken such concrete and, frankly kind of condescending, stances on it.

[brewcrewdue80]

Any day now we will get our answer!

[JDBrewCrew]

Jeff Wilson ‏@JeffWilson_FWST 2m2 minutes ago

#Rangers in Arizona Fall League (continued): 2B Andy Ibanez, outfielder TBA.

 

Jeff Wilson ‏@JeffWilson_FWST 3m3 minutes ago

#Rangers in Arizona Fall League: pitchers John Fasola, Joe Filomeno, Reed Garrett, TBA; catchers Jose Trevino, Isiah Kiner-Falefa (more) ...

 

 

Guessing we can eliminate these guys.

[JosephC]

OF-Jairo Beras has made Baseball America's Prospect Hot Sheet each of the last two weeks. High ceiling/low floor prospect, it wouldn't shock me to see Stearns roll the dice on a player like Beras if he is on the on the list.

[MKE81]

Can't believe people are still talking about Mendez, not gonna be him

I know it's not likely, but do you have an actual reason for "knowing" this? At the time of the trade he wasn't their number 2 prospect. I don't recall exactly where he was, but he wasn't even in the top 100 at the time and he was #10 in their organization coming into the season. Generally in the media, Brinson, Ortiz and a PTBNL was looked as an underwhelming return for Lucroy and a good swap for Texas, let alone throwing in Jeffress in a market that showed a lot of teams overpaying for relievers (case in point Smith bringing back a similarly ranked pitcher in Bickford PLUS a young, recently highly ranked catcher all on his own).

 

I also don't understand the "if it was Mendez, he'd be a Brewer already" argument. It's been mentioned many places that the PTBNL may have been due to a time constraint, possibly preventing physicals from being performed in time. If Stearns then had the option to wait til the end of the season to choose a player, how awful would it have been for him to take Mendez right away and then he ends up hurt from a pre-existing condition that may not have shown up in an examination?

 

I just don't see how some people are so sure without having any inside information. The best I can guess is it's to prevent themselves from being disappointed if/when it's not him. Again, I don't expect it to be him, I'd be thrilled if it was, but I'm also not going to be disappointed just because I'm allowing myself to acknowledge the possibility it could be him. It's just a little irritating that people with no inside information have taken such concrete and, frankly kind of condescending, stances on it.

I think you're correct regarding the Mendez already on our team take. It doesn't make any sense to select him immediately when all the risk is held by TX for an injury allowing Stearns to select someone else at that time. I'm still hoping for Jurado, Payano or Matuella - who can't be ruled out just because he was shut down. Adding any one of these pitchers adds another legitimate arm to the system and I'd personally rate any one of those guys between Bickford and Ponce. This is why I'm hoping it's a rotation arm and not a position player because it's an easy opportunity to add that quality arm plus the only position players I'd prefer would be Guzman and Morgan. I like a few other position players but prefer an arm over those guys. I wouldn't be surprised if Mendez was an option. I also wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't.

[brewmann04]

This team to continue to rebuild needs all the Top pitching Prospects that DS can acquire.

[Austin Tatious]

Tom Haudricourt[/b]"]Much more light will shine on the trade when the third player is revealed, which Stearns said would come after the minor-league season is over. Apparently, a short list of prospects was agreed upon from which the Brewers will select one after seeing how they perform the rest of the season.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/columnists/tom-haudricourt/2016/08/06/haudricourt-did-brewers-get-enough-texas-trade/88318510/

[MillerParkSouth]

Mendez was called up by the Rangers today so it's not him. Bummer.

[dacrew101]

Can't believe people are still talking about Mendez, not gonna be him

I know it's not likely, but do you have an actual reason for "knowing" this? At the time of the trade he wasn't their number 2 prospect. I don't recall exactly where he was, but he wasn't even in the top 100 at the time and he was #10 in their organization coming into the season. Generally in the media, Brinson, Ortiz and a PTBNL was looked as an underwhelming return for Lucroy and a good swap for Texas, let alone throwing in Jeffress in a market that showed a lot of teams overpaying for relievers (case in point Smith bringing back a similarly ranked pitcher in Bickford PLUS a young, recently highly ranked catcher all on his own).

 

I also don't understand the "if it was Mendez, he'd be a Brewer already" argument. It's been mentioned many places that the PTBNL may have been due to a time constraint, possibly preventing physicals from being performed in time. If Stearns then had the option to wait til the end of the season to choose a player, how awful would it have been for him to take Mendez right away and then he ends up hurt from a pre-existing condition that may not have shown up in an examination?

 

I just don't see how some people are so sure without having any inside information. The best I can guess is it's to prevent themselves from being disappointed if/when it's not him. Again, I don't expect it to be him, I'd be thrilled if it was, but I'm also not going to be disappointed just because I'm allowing myself to acknowledge the possibility it could be him. It's just a little irritating that people with no inside information have taken such concrete and, frankly kind of condescending, stances on it.

 

https://twitter.com/MLBRosterMoves/status/771456024674914304

 

 

Heres your proof, I believe its pretty concrete.

 

Im pretty sure no MLB team cares about those online rankings us fans see. Mendez was going to rise, it was obvious with his play.

 

I'm just spitting the obvious and if it irritates you well im sorry but i could care less tbh, its the internet.

[MKE81]

Can't believe people are still talking about Mendez, not gonna be him

I know it's not likely, but do you have an actual reason for "knowing" this? At the time of the trade he wasn't their number 2 prospect. I don't recall exactly where he was, but he wasn't even in the top 100 at the time and he was #10 in their organization coming into the season. Generally in the media, Brinson, Ortiz and a PTBNL was looked as an underwhelming return for Lucroy and a good swap for Texas, let alone throwing in Jeffress in a market that showed a lot of teams overpaying for relievers (case in point Smith bringing back a similarly ranked pitcher in Bickford PLUS a young, recently highly ranked catcher all on his own).

 

I also don't understand the "if it was Mendez, he'd be a Brewer already" argument. It's been mentioned many places that the PTBNL may have been due to a time constraint, possibly preventing physicals from being performed in time. If Stearns then had the option to wait til the end of the season to choose a player, how awful would it have been for him to take Mendez right away and then he ends up hurt from a pre-existing condition that may not have shown up in an examination?

 

I just don't see how some people are so sure without having any inside information. The best I can guess is it's to prevent themselves from being disappointed if/when it's not him. Again, I don't expect it to be him, I'd be thrilled if it was, but I'm also not going to be disappointed just because I'm allowing myself to acknowledge the possibility it could be him. It's just a little irritating that people with no inside information have taken such concrete and, frankly kind of condescending, stances on it.

 

https://twitter.com/MLBRosterMoves/status/771456024674914304

 

 

Heres your proof, I believe its pretty concrete.

 

Im pretty sure no MLB team cares about those online rankings us fans see. Mendez was going to rise, it was obvious with his play.

 

I'm just spitting the obvious and if it irritates you well im sorry but i could care less tbh, its the internet.

Except you had zero proof when making your previous remarks so, no, it wasn't "obvious" given guys like Rosenthal said it's a legit prospect potentially similar to the others received. Almost everyone on here said they'd love for it to be Mendez but he most likely isn't an option. Literally almost everyone said that. Nobody is surprised by this news about Mendez. Guys like Jurado, Payano have Top 100 talent and that's what Stearns will go after

[homer]

Can't believe people are still talking about Mendez, not gonna be him

I know it's not likely, but do you have an actual reason for "knowing" this? At the time of the trade he wasn't their number 2 prospect. I don't recall exactly where he was, but he wasn't even in the top 100 at the time and he was #10 in their organization coming into the season. Generally in the media, Brinson, Ortiz and a PTBNL was looked as an underwhelming return for Lucroy and a good swap for Texas, let alone throwing in Jeffress in a market that showed a lot of teams overpaying for relievers (case in point Smith bringing back a similarly ranked pitcher in Bickford PLUS a young, recently highly ranked catcher all on his own).

 

I also don't understand the "if it was Mendez, he'd be a Brewer already" argument. It's been mentioned many places that the PTBNL may have been due to a time constraint, possibly preventing physicals from being performed in time. If Stearns then had the option to wait til the end of the season to choose a player, how awful would it have been for him to take Mendez right away and then he ends up hurt from a pre-existing condition that may not have shown up in an examination?

 

I just don't see how some people are so sure without having any inside information. The best I can guess is it's to prevent themselves from being disappointed if/when it's not him. Again, I don't expect it to be him, I'd be thrilled if it was, but I'm also not going to be disappointed just because I'm allowing myself to acknowledge the possibility it could be him. It's just a little irritating that people with no inside information have taken such concrete and, frankly kind of condescending, stances on it.

 

https://twitter.com/MLBRosterMoves/status/771456024674914304

 

 

Heres your proof, I believe its pretty concrete.

 

Im pretty sure no MLB team cares about those online rankings us fans see. Mendez was going to rise, it was obvious with his play.

 

I'm just spitting the obvious and if it irritates you well im sorry but i could care less tbh, its the internet.

 

 

Yes it's the internet but we try to keep the level of discourse mature on this board. I like to think we do a pretty good job of that and why the discussions are generally drama free. Please try to remember that in future posts.

[wichmae]

Cannot be Mendez anymore. Bummer.

[wichmae]

I think its Jurado or Guzman.

[billymac]

I think it will be announced next week as the minor league season ends and I would be very happy if its one of Leody Taveras, Ariel Jurado, Brett Martin, Payano or Anderson Tejada.

[IndyCrew]

Can someone make a poll? I need to vote.

[Mudville9]

I think it will be announced next week as the minor league season ends and I would be very happy if its one of Leody Taveras, Ariel Jurado, Brett Martin, Payano or Anderson Tejada.

 

I think Brett Martin was called up with Mendez...

[recte44]

Still think it's Tavares.

 

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[billymac]

I think it will be announced next week as the minor league season ends and I would be very happy if its one of Leody Taveras, Ariel Jurado, Brett Martin, Payano or Anderson Tejada.

 

I think Brett Martin was called up with Mendez...

 

I see Brett Nicholas the catcher, but not Brett Martin the pitcher...

 

http://www.wfaa.com/sports/rangers-get-a-look-at-mendez-with-september-call-ups/312890303

[LouisEly]

Just noticed something that makes me less enthusiastic about Pedro Payano. This is his fifth minor league season which means that, even though he is in low-A, he will be eligible for the Rule 5 draft and will need to be protected. If that's the case, then:

 

1) If he's the guy then I'd be surprised if the announcement is made before the Rule 5 draft as the Brewers would have to protect him. Unlikely able to make the jump from low-A, but stranger things have happened (Wang).

 

B) The Brewers will need to use his first option year next year when he is likely to start in A+, and his second option year when he is likely to start in AA; he will likely be on his last option year when he is ready to start the year in the majors.

 

What is strange is that, looking at his DOSL numbers, why he wasn't brought stateside until his fourth year in the DOSL and age 20 season. He put up worthy numbers in his second season (age 18).

 

Meanwhile, Jurado doesn't need to be protected until after next season. He pitched as well as can be expected for the Cal League, and after getting bumped up to AA has pitched very well for the Texas League.

 

This is also why I'm not real keen on Garcia, and to an extent Taveras. Garcia, I believe, will need to be protected after his age 20 season and will likely have used a couple of options before being ready. Taveras is in his first season of pro ball, but I would want to see some level of success before taking him, regardless of how much bonus money he got.

 

Palumbo does not need to be protected until after next season, same with Brett Martin. So my odds at this point: Jurado 5:1, Palumbo 8:1, Martin 8:1, Payano 15:1, Garcia 18:1, Taveras 20:1. They've already gotten one OF in the deal, so I don't think they go with two (Taveras). Highly unlikely the don't go pitching.

[wichmae]

Reminder that Texas' high A team (Jairo Beras, Josh Morgan, Michael De Leon, and Brett Martin are there) is going to the postseason. Wouldnt expect an announcement if its someone there until eliminated or concluded.

[JosephC]

Good observation by LouisEly on Payano's minor league service time. I would say that Payano's not having pitched the last two months will be an even bigger factor. At the time I thought he'd be the guy, but as of now I think he's a long-shot. How can Stearns justify taking a player that hasn't pitched in that timeframe? Have to believe that there will be at least one other player on the list that is more attractive than Payano.

 

Two Rangers prospects made the BA Hot Sheet this week. RHP-Connor Sadzeck (AA, #12 on MLB.com Rangers top 30 prospect list) and SS-Anderson Tejeda (short season A, not listed on the top prospects list). Sadzeck looks to be rounding back into top form after having Tommy John surgery in 2014. Tejeda has played in 65 games this year split among three different clubs and has 34 extra base hits in those 65 games.

[jjgott]

We're getting Ryan Cordell

[homer]

He's played 6 positions as a pro. Flexibility is key for Stearns.

[Nader Raider Tim]

Not a sexy name, but a nice toolsy Outfielder. Doesn't move the needle on the trade either way. I thought it was a really solid trade for the Brewers and knowing this is that final piece it stays as a solid trade.

[brewmann04]

Wow shocker another OF added I believe Stearns knows we can only play 3 OF at a time. Hopefully he can move some of these extra Of fir some quality starting pitchers.