Scooter Gennett's trade value

[HighHeat19]

And low and behold there is Scooter in the 2 hole today playing RF. So I can read the Brewer Brass a little.

 

Bet you will not once in the regular season see him in the 2 hole starting in RF. Spring training reps mean little.

 

I'm not saying he will not log a single inning there this year but Scooter simply doesn't have the arm strength to be anything more than an emergency or very rare opton in CF.

 

If Santana were to go down with a season ending injury today Scooter would absolutely not become the everyday RF.

 

I never said he would be the right fielder. Gennett is made to be a platoon specialist. Santana goes down and Brinson will be called up if it's after the super 2. I said Genett is being groomed to either play OF or INF based on the starting pitcher as a lefty vs rightys. Nothing else, nothing more. Capt Kirk will not make opening day because of this. You heard it here first.

[adambr2]

And low and behold there is Scooter in the 2 hole today playing RF. So I can read the Brewer Brass a little.

 

Bet you will not once in the regular season see him in the 2 hole starting in RF. Spring training reps mean little.

 

I'm not saying he will not log a single inning there this year but Scooter simply doesn't have the arm strength to be anything more than an emergency or very rare opton in CF.

 

If Santana were to go down with a season ending injury today Scooter would absolutely not become the everyday RF.

 

I never said he would be the right fielder. Gennett is made to be a platoon specialist. Santana goes down and Brinson will be called up if it's after the super 2. I said Genett is being groomed to either play OF or INF based on the starting pitcher as a lefty vs rightys. Nothing else, nothing more. Capt Kirk will not make opening day because of this. You heard it here first.

 

Not happening. Well, I'll be sure to give you props if it does, because I don't believe it for a second. Kirk is having a nice spring and has a much more solidified role on the roster. Scooter is a square peg in a round hole. I'm no Kirk N fan but they are not going to go with all backup outfielders that aren't even outfielders.

 

This regime values outfield defense. The whole thing going on with Scooter is somewhere between a spring training attempt to find a taker for him and a science experiment.

[brwrsfan]

I'm not a fan of Kirk in any way, but if they cut him...who are the backup outfielders? Gennett and Perez? Who plays CF when Broxton needs a day off or comes out of a game? Are you saying the Brewers are going to keep someone like Reed on the roster too?

[Jaylyn]

Kyle Wren?

[FVBrewerFan]

Who plays CF when Broxton needs a day off or comes out of a game?

 

If only Kotsay was still around... But seriously, Reed would be possible. Wren isn't even on the 40, so that would require another move. All just conversation because Kirk will absolutely be on the 25 when they break camp.

[monty57]

Hernan is not the preferred INF option vs righties. If Orlando struggles mightily out of the gate Villar will slide over to SS against righties and Scooter will get AB's vs righties at 2B.

 

Thames and Shaw are lefties so they are already pencilled in vs righties.

However, vs Lefty pitchers I would imagine Perez at 3B, Orlando at SS, Villar at 2B, and Aguilar at 1B.

 

If Orlando hits righties, then Scooter could spell Domingo vs right handed pitchers. As Domingos numbers are not swell vs righties. Hence, Scooters playing time is dependant upon Orlando and Domingo hitting or the lack thereof.

 

Arcia is not riding the bench. He may get sent down, but he won't be relegated to bench duty. Sending him down would likely open up a starting spot at 2B for Gennett, but I don't think it's likely.

 

To a lesser extent, the same holds true with Santana. If he hits as poorly as he can possibly hit, he'll still be a better bat than Gennett, so they might sit him to bring Brinson up, but not to allow Gennett to play RF. I agree with you that Gennett is being groomed this spring to back up 2B, 3B, and corner OF, but he will not be a regular (or even a platoon) in RF while Santana is healthy.

 

As to Kirk N., he will likely make the opening day roster just to be the backup CF. Perez and Gennett will likely get most of the backup time at the corners, but Kirk needs to be around to back up CF.

[JohnBriggs12]

I'm not a fan of Kirk in any way, but if they cut him...who are the backup outfielders? Gennett and Perez? Who plays CF when Broxton needs a day off or comes out of a game? Are you saying the Brewers are going to keep someone like Reed on the roster too?

 

Kirk has been red hot over the last couple weeks so he appears secure but Perez handled CF pretty well when he was out there.

[monty57]

I'm not a fan of Kirk in any way, but if they cut him...who are the backup outfielders? Gennett and Perez? Who plays CF when Broxton needs a day off or comes out of a game? Are you saying the Brewers are going to keep someone like Reed on the roster too?

 

Kirk has been red hot over the last couple weeks so he appears secure but Perez handled CF pretty well when he was out there.

 

"Pretty well" as in he probably won't trip over himself and will catch balls hit at him, or "pretty well" as in he can run like a gazelle and make amazing plays like most MLB center fielders?

 

At the MLB level, "pretty well" is not acceptable in most cases. Melvin accepted bad defense as long as the player could hit for power. I think Stearns values defense a lot more than Melvin, so we will probably see a lot better defense going forward than we have in the past.

 

It's why Santana was told last year that he wasn't going to play any more CF when Melvin had him starting there, it's probably a big part of the reason Carter was let go, and it's why he's acquiring the type of players he is acquiring in the moves he's making, particularly at the minor league level.

 

To topic, the Brewers are testing Gennett at multiple positions, and hopefully he'll show enough aptitude at 3B and corner OF that he can play a few games there. He's close to useless to the Brewers if he can only play 2B, so getting some positional flexibility gives the team more options. With the players they're acquiring, I doubt he'll be good enough at any position that he will ever be a full-time starter for the Brewers again, but at least if he can play four positions, he'll log some PAs and give some guys a break now and then.

[And That]

"Pretty well" as in he probably won't trip over himself and will catch balls hit at him, or "pretty well" as in he can run like a gazelle and make amazing plays like most MLB center fielders?

FWIW:

 

[Outlander]

What that tells me is Santana should start looking at a first base glove and maybe Perez is actually a viable backup or injury replacement in the outfield.

[FVBrewerFan]

Actually, based on that chart alone, it tells us Perez is not a viable option to play CF. But I agree Santana needs to learn how to play 1B or be traded before 2018 season. Was really hoping we would see him there during ST this year, all I can hope is maybe he has put in some time there on the practice fields (but you would think that word would have got out.)

[ewitkows]

Can't see Santana at 1B anytime soon. 3 years of Thames and hopefully we'll have someone come up through the system after that.

[FVBrewerFan]

Thames can be traded, Santana can split time between 1B and corner OF, lots of options there. Bottom line, Santana can't be a full time OF for the Brewers long term.

[pacopete4]

Bottom line, Santana can't be a full time OF for the Brewers long term.

 

Simply not true. If he hits, he'll be in our outfield. It's actually that simple.

[adambr2]

Bottom line, Santana can't be a full time OF for the Brewers long term.

 

Simply not true. If he hits, he'll be in our outfield. It's actually that simple.

 

If his glove doesn't improve pretty dramatically, he's going to have to hit well above average to stay in RF. An .800 OPS isn't going to cut it in RF as the permanent guy if he's a defensive butcher.

[pacopete4]

Bottom line, Santana can't be a full time OF for the Brewers long term.

 

Simply not true. If he hits, he'll be in our outfield. It's actually that simple.

 

If his glove doesn't improve pretty dramatically, he's going to have to hit well above average to stay in RF. An .800 OPS isn't going to cut it in RF as the permanent guy if he's a defensive butcher.

 

 

He'll be better than Matt Holliday so I'll say otherwise.

[adambr2]

Kind of apples and oranges, since the Cardinals didn't have the OF prospects in the pipeline last year that we have right now, and he's going to mostly DH in New York.

 

Not to mention Santana WAS a considerably worse defender than Holliday last year.

[FVBrewerFan]

Bottom line, Santana can't be a full time OF for the Brewers long term.

 

Simply not true. If he hits, he'll be in our outfield. It's actually that simple.

 

Disagree. Already stuck with Braun for 4 years. Broxton could be the real deal. So Brinson is not going to be the 4th OF. It's actually that simple. Not to mention Ray, Phillips, Clark and others that could be knocking on the door.

 

All those guys are better defensively and have 6 yrs of team control. Santana isn't going to get in the way, just watch.

[pacopete4]

Bottom line, Santana can't be a full time OF for the Brewers long term.

 

Simply not true. If he hits, he'll be in our outfield. It's actually that simple.

 

Disagree. Already stuck with Braun for 4 years. Broxton could be the real deal. So Brinson is not going to be the 4th OF. It's actually that simple. Not to mention Ray, Phillips, Clark and others that could be knocking on the door.

 

All those guys are better defensively and have 6 yrs of team control. Santana isn't going to get in the way, just watch.

 

 

Again, if he hits he'll play. All the guys you listed have no guarantee to be on this team just as much as Santana doesn't. They earn it by hitting. That always plays.

[And That]

Like Chris Carter?

[pacopete4]

Like Chris Carter?

 

 

Comparing a 30 year old free agent that would cost millions versus a guy who is 23 and isn't a free agent until 2022 is not exactly the route that should be taken here. I'm highly doubt he'd be right out the door if he has an .820 ops.

[FVBrewerFan]

Like Chris Carter?

 

 

Comparing a 30 year old free agent that would cost millions versus a guy who is 23 and isn't a free agent until 2022 is not exactly the route that should be taken here. I'm highly doubt he'd be right out the door if he has an .820 ops.

 

He will if he doesn't learn 1B. Or would you rather trade Broxton or Brinson?

[pacopete4]

Like Chris Carter?

 

 

Comparing a 30 year old free agent that would cost millions versus a guy who is 23 and isn't a free agent until 2022 is not exactly the route that should be taken here. I'm highly doubt he'd be right out the door if he has an .820 ops.

 

He will if he doesn't learn 1B. Or would you rather trade Broxton or Brinson?

 

 

Neither of those two are sure things, just like Santana. Nor is it certain Braun stays put or he himself moves to 1B. Or possibly Broxton gets traded. You think what you're saying is concrete and it is far from it. Lots of moving pieces and the Brewers will do their best to have the best three.

[FVBrewerFan]

Right. All of that is a given. You said if Santana hits, he stays, it's that simple. But if Braun is still here and Broxton and Brinson are better, now what? See, not that simple.

[pacopete4]

Right. All of that is a given. You said if Santana hits, he stays. But if Braun is still here and Broxton and Brinson are better, now what?

 

Haha, well of course then those two play. Was that ever debated? You dismissed Santana and I called you on it. The rest of this is you spinning your wheels.