Scooter Gennett's trade value

[adambr2]

Scooter's 2.5 million means nothing in the grand scheme of 2017. Zero, nadda, ZILCH.

 

 

$2 Million is still $2 Million. If it saves MA that money he can place it elsewhere. Just do not agree with you at all on this.

 

Agree with Brew on this. If you make $300,000 a year and live in a $1,000 a month apartment, and they jack their rent up to $5,000, but you can get a similar place for the same $1,000, are you going to stay where you're at just because it still fits within your budget? No, you're either going to upgrade or find a similar place for less.

 

Affordability is not the same thing as value. If we were only concerned about affordability we would have just tendered Carter. Value is equally crucial and I think Stearns is wise to that.

[pacopete4]

Value is equally crucial and I think Stearns is wise to that.

 

This is what kind've gets me. I don't see his value anywhere near $2.5million so it questions as to why he was even resigned.

[jerichoholicninja]

Scooter's 2.5 million means nothing in the grand scheme of 2017. Zero, nadda, ZILCH.

 

 

$2 Million is still $2 Million. If it saves MA that money he can place it elsewhere. Just do not agree with you at all on this.

 

We could build some more overpriced fancy concession stands with that money.

[CheeseheadInQC]

I have no real problem with Gennett being on the roster next season as the alternatives aren't exactly great. If you look at the guys left for the sixth infield spot, you have guys who will be more expensive, guys who are more versatile but can't really hit and guys who might be available in a trade (a T.J. Rivera type) but would cost you something of value. Scooter doesn't cost anything to acquire, can take one position off Perez' backup plate and had a similar or better OPS last year as a lot of the first and third basemen still available in free agency. He might not be ideal, but he probably provides more value than most of the alternatives for his spot, and if a team's second baseman gets hurt during the season, you've got a trade chip.

[MNBrew]

Value is equally crucial and I think Stearns is wise to that.

 

This is what kind've gets me. I don't see his value anywhere near $2.5million so it questions as to why he was even resigned.

Stearns is wise to plenty and I'm willing to guess he's a whole lot smarter about baseball than all of us. Obviously you disagree with his assessment of Gennett's contract and/or value to the team. I trust Stearns' judgement.

 

There are reasons to be skeptical about Scooter's ideal fit on the 2017 Brewers. But besides versatility, Stearns has also said repeatedly that he values quality depth, and Scooter is better-quality proven depth than many other available options. Scooter only costs the salary, not any assets in addition to that to acquire.

 

There's a lot of offseason left and lots of transactions yet to be made across MLB -- we're still closer to the end of the World Series than to the opening of Spring Training. At this point a year ago, we still had more than a month left of Jean Segura's Brewers tenure. There are likely several players being counted on for 2017 who will either get injured or disappoint significantly enough that Scooter could amount to an attractive/viable and affordable alternative -- in which case we'd likely gain a little more attractive asset in return than if we're coming off as hoping to discard like some seem to want to do with him now. At minimum, given that it's only Dec. 16th, being irritated, anxious, or judgemental re: Gennett's still being on the roster seems premature.

[adambr2]

Here's the possibie plans they have from my perspective.

 

1). Scooter backs up Villar

 

Doesn't make much sense IMO. It's tough to carry a player just for 2nd, who isn't a good defender anyway. Scooter makes some sense as a platoon player, but Villar doesn't. Scooter is a lousy bench option.

 

2) Arcia begins in AAA, Scooter starts, Villar to SS

 

There's a remote possibility that perhaps the Brewers want to keep Arcia down to start the year, either to buy more service time or because they truly think he's not quite ready. I'm not sure Arcia can benefit from anything more in AAA, but his MLB numbers wouldn't make it hard to justify. The Brewers have given no indication though that Arcia isn't in their MLB plans on opening day and they've clearly indicated an intent for Villar to start at 2nd.

 

3). Scooter is traded

 

I still think this will happen. Scooter's contract, while an annoyance to us if we're unable to find a trade partner, isn't a trade hindrance. My guess is that Stearns probably wouldn't have tendered Scooter if he didn't have a pretty good feel for his market and think he would be tradeable.

 

My guess would be he is shipped out in the late winter/early spring for almost nothing, a low level lottery ticket, but still better than nothing.

[pacopete4]

They've pretty much already been on record saying Arcia will be the shortstop this year. So I think #2 can be crossed out. I agree with #1 so that makes it a game of chicken with other teams to trade him. Other GMs have to know we don't really want him anymore.

[IndyCrew]

With this team's flexibility, especially Villar, Scooter is pretty much backing up the entire infield in a roundabout way. JosephC hit the nail on the head with the fact that if anyone goes down in the infield, Scooter slides in at second and everyone can get shuffled around. The flexibility of the rosters allows us to carry a lefty, veteran bat who I wouldn't feel horrible about having to play an extended period if needed.

 

Besides, if Scooter is traded, he would likely be replaced by someone of Rivera's ilk--and I'd much rather have Gennett play 100 games if an injury occurred. The other option would be a Jerry Hairston type, but that could cost you $2.5 million as well.

 

Then again, maybe it just comes down to what Gennett brings behind the scenes. For all we know, he's a great guy to have on the bench, and with a team as young as this, and with Braun possibly getting traded, they may want that positive influence in the clubhouse.

 

I won't lose any sleep with Gennett being on this team.

[MKE81]

Arcia is up for good at SS. If Scooter is kept he'll be a lefty pinch hitter and fill in at 2b occasionally. If Arcia has a day off then Villar can be shifted to SS with Perez or Scooter at 2b. Same thing if Shaw gets a day off at 3b and Perez is somewhere else in the lineup or Villar gets shifted to 3b that day then Scooter fills in at 2b (or if Shaw gets shifted to 1b on Thames off day with Villar at 3b). There's so much flexibility in this IF it's insane. Arcia/Villar, barring injury, will be playing 150+ games. Even if Arcia struggles offensively his defense is still extremely valuable and he can contribute to the team. While someone like Sogard is an upgrade defensively over Scooter (and on the bases) he's not really that close to Scooter offensively. And if someone isn't going to be playing much to begin with I'll take the better bat who also has 3yrs straight of full-time starting experience. There's 2 backup IF spots and Perez has the top spot. Why is there complaining about the final spot given Scooter would be an upgrade over what we had last year (Elmore, Rivera, Middlebrooks).

 

This team will have options - IF they only want to keep Kirk as the backup OF then they can keep 3 backup IF as Perez, Thames, Shaw could fill in OF spots as well if someone needs a day off. That way someone like Sogard can be a defensive specialist type/base stealer and Scooter could be a pinch hit lefty bat while filling in occasionally at 2b

[brewcrewdue80]

Well, I hope some point a decision is made to rid either Kirk N. or Scooter, because you have 2 Left Handed pinch hitter bats on a team now with Thames, Shaw, and Villar Switch to bat from the Left Handed side. And I imagine Villar being 1 or 2 in lineup. Thames 4 or 5, and Shaw 6 or 7. giving the lineup a full mix that a PH comes to the plate and a Lefty Specialist comes up and immediately you sit Scooter or Kirk N. down and bat one of the Catchers or Perez wasting 2 of your 3 or 4 PH bats. I'd guess it would only work when PH for the pitcher since Villar could switch to the RH side.

 

With less playing time again, and most likely used as PH which entails that Lefty specialist likely coming in. Scooter's terrible splits vs. Lefties probably returns. Just remember that when you prop up his value with what he does vs. RH pitchers. If he's starting he'll face those types and proceed to make value. But coming in as a Pinch Hitter, likely results in 50% of LH Specialists who are called in from the bullpen. Because if you're pinch hitting, thats about the time of the game when its cat/mouse and bullpen usage.

[Jose Cardenal1]

I would add one more possible plan:

 

4) Villar is traded (for something really good) and Scooter is the 2B until Dubon or Diaz are ready

 

I would say this is the second most likely scenario behind #3

[billymac]

I would add one more possible plan:

 

4) Villar is traded (for something really good) and Scooter is the 2B until Dubon or Diaz are ready

 

I would say this is the second most likely scenario behind #3

 

There's a scenario....wonder what type of return the Dodgers would give for Villar.

[FVBrewerFan]

I don't think Arcia starts in AAA, but he could go down if he really struggles. Scooter is a cheap, predictable insurance policy if that happens.

 

Villar trade is interesting. Really all depends if a couple teams believe he can continue what he did last year. If someone wants to give up a top 50 pitching pitCher and a couple others, sure, go for it. I just doubt anyone offers that. At the deadline if he's having another great year? Much more likely.

[JohnBriggs12]

White Sox might be a perfect landing spot for Scooter. Lawrie only managed a weak .704 OPS vs. RHP in 2016 and he's coming off an injury, and they are trying to deal Frazier which could push Lawrie over to 3B some. while Moncada gets a big more seasoning in AAA.

 

Since the Sox are also trying to unload Robertson maybe they'd consider a Gennett for Robertson deal if the Brewers pick up most of Robertson's contract and throw in a marginal prospect.

 

Robertson, who's signed through 2018 (though not cheaply) could still prove to be a nice flip candidate in July.

[pacopete4]

White Sox might be a perfect landing spot for Scooter.

 

 

[sarcasm]Maybe we can get Moncada back?[/sarcasm]

[MillerParkSouth]

With how the reliever market has gone, it is going to take substantially more than Gennett and a marginal prospect for Robertson. Hahn would laugh Stearns off the phone if that was the offer.

[JohnBriggs12]

Keep an eye on the Kipnis situation in Cleveland. He's got a sore shoulder and could miss their opener. Doesn't sound bad but you never know. If it turns out to be worse than expected, Gennett could be a target for them.

[MadThinker88]

Keep an eye on the Kipnis situation in Cleveland. He's got a sore shoulder and could miss their opener. Doesn't sound bad but you never know. If it turns out to be worse than expected, Gennett could be a target for them.

 

No chance. First off, the Tribe has many internal options/ prospects to shift thru.

Also Jose Ramirez is a natural 2B. That was his position coming thru the minors. IF Kipnis is going to be out all season, I suspect JRam moves back to second and 3B becomes a mix of many (Giovanny Urshela/ Erik Gonzalez/ Yandy Diaz/ others).

[HighHeat19]

Scooter is not going anywhere. Counsell/Stearn's managing style is platooning. Scooters lefty bat is huge and will become even bigger as a platoon for the OF as we currently have an all righty OF. I rather have Scooter as the lefty platoon for the OF than Captain Kirk. And add that to his infield versatility and Scooter's value is higher than most realize.

[adambr2]

Scooter is not going anywhere. Counsell/Stearn's managing style is platooning. Scooters lefty bat is huge and will become even bigger as a platoon for the OF as we currently have an all righty OF. I rather have Scooter as the lefty platoon for the OF than Captain Kirk. And add that to his infield versatility and Scooter's value is higher than most realize.

 

Scooter has played a total of 1 inning his entire MLB career anywhere besides 2nd and now he's versatile? No, we just don't have a position for him, there's a big difference between that and versatility.

 

Scooter was a mediocre defender at 2nd and we have no idea yet whether he can play adequately enough anywhere else to even be considered for a platoon. He's got a long ways to go before supplanting either Kirk as the preferred OF bench player or Perez as the preferred IF one.

[HighHeat19]

Hernan is not the preferred INF option vs righties. If Orlando struggles mightily out of the gate Villar will slide over to SS against righties and Scooter will get AB's vs righties at 2B.

 

Thames and Shaw are lefties so they are already pencilled in vs righties.

However, vs Lefty pitchers I would imagine Perez at 3B, Orlando at SS, Villar at 2B, and Aguilar at 1B.

 

If Orlando hits righties, then Scooter could spell Domingo vs right handed pitchers. As Domingos numbers are not swell vs righties. Hence, Scooters playing time is dependant upon Orlando and Domingo hitting or the lack thereof.

[Roderick]

.....I rather have Scooter as the lefty platoon for the OF than Captain Kirk.

 

When not in Miller Park. bluish?

[adambr2]

Hernan is not the preferred INF option vs righties. If Orlando struggles mightily out of the gate Villar will slide over to SS against righties and Scooter will get AB's vs righties at 2B.

 

Thames and Shaw are lefties so they are already pencilled in vs righties.

However, vs Lefty pitchers I would imagine Perez at 3B, Orlando at SS, Villar at 2B, and Aguilar at 1B.

 

If Orlando hits righties, then Scooter could spell Domingo vs right handed pitchers. As Domingos numbers are not swell vs righties. Hence, Scooters playing time is dependant upon Orlando and Domingo hitting or the lack thereof.

 

Scooter's noodle-arm in RF? Yikes. That's a good way to ensure any runner at 1st will wind up at 3rd on a hit to right.

 

It would be very shortsighted of the Brewers to bench Arcia if he has a bad start to the year, unless they're just planning on sending him back to AAA for awhile.

[HighHeat19]

And low and behold there is Scooter in the 2 hole today playing RF. So I can read the Brewer Brass a little.

[adambr2]

And low and behold there is Scooter in the 2 hole today playing RF. So I can read the Brewer Brass a little.

 

Bet you will not once in the regular season see him in the 2 hole starting in RF. Spring training reps mean little.

 

I'm not saying he will not log a single inning there this year but Scooter simply doesn't have the arm strength to be anything more than an emergency or very rare opton in CF.

 

If Santana were to go down with a season ending injury today Scooter would absolutely not become the everyday RF.