Orlando Arcia called up

[logan82]

I wouldn't use a judgmental term like "worst" for Craig's stance. It was definitely unique, and it worked for him until he reached old age. That doesn't necessarily mean that anyone else should be emulating it, though (although people loved to do it ).

 

Does anyone know what Orlando's stance was like last year? I think that might be the operative question. Knowing that might be better at this point than passing judgment out of hand.

Considering how well he hit(or didn't) I am not sure Counsell's stance ever "worked for him."

[Baldkin]

The first guy his stance reminded me of:

 

[FVBrewerFan]

Willie Mays did ok with that stance.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

Stance really isn't his hindrance. IMO his approach to the ball needs to be refined. He reaches a lot with is hands which I believe causes most of his ground balls. I'm no professional scout, but his loading phase and transfer of energy is phenomenal (one of the best in recent memory) I might be biased though because I love that high leg kick. I think he'll put it together though. He's too talented and confident not too.

[zzzmanwitz]

It's been 2 games guys.

[Tbadder]

I was against the call up because of the possible effect on Villar's value in hopes of possibly moving him along in the off season. There's also the domino effect concerning Perez in RF. I do take the point about Colorado Sprngs though mentioned earlier.

[MrTPlush]

This effects his value NONE. If it does that team needs new scouts. We have seen plenty of Villar at SS. A small stint at 3B does nothing.

[rwa12]

Keon Broxton is somewhere laughing about people reacting to Arcia's 0-6 start...

[zzzmanwitz]

I was against the call up because of the possible effect on Villar's value in hopes of possibly moving him along in the off season. There's also the domino effect concerning Perez in RF. I do take the point about Colorado Sprngs though mentioned earlier.

 

Villar is under team control through 2020. I'm not sure I see them trading him in the off season.

[Fear The Chorizo]

if people were expecting to see Arcia emulate Tulo in the batters box, they really don't know what type of player he is. Arcia's glove/defense have been ready for MLB for a long time - while his hitting does need further development, it's not like he's going to ever develop into a consistent 900+ OPS offensive player. The debate about keeping him in the minors versus calling him up now should be about whether an extra 1/2 season of playing at 7,000' in Colorado Springs would turn him into what Alicedes Escobar is now, or if facing MLB pitching right now helps him longterm.

[Tbadder]

I was against the call up because of the possible effect on Villar's value in hopes of possibly moving him along in the off season. There's also the domino effect concerning Perez in RF. I do take the point about Colorado Sprngs though mentioned earlier.

 

Villar is under team control through 2020. I'm not sure I see them trading him in the off season.

 

This does bring up a good question: how do the Brewers view Villar long term. I get the feeling, though I have no evidence, that they are a little frustrated with Jonathan, and don't really see him as a player of the future. I think they hope he develops and then flip him. With Arcia the "future" at ss, and ss being the more valuable position, wouldn't keeping Villar there make some sense especially if he keeps producing? Is a starting ML ss more valuable than a three position (ss,2b,3b) mostly starter/supersub?

[1992casey]

Is a starting ML ss more valuable than a three position (ss,2b,3b) mostly starter/supersub?

 

For sure. But the trade-off is that you have a better overall team when have a good full-time shortstop plus the "mostly starter/supersub" who can play short. In this case, Villar may fall in the middle: the guy who starts at another position but becomes the shortstop when needed to do so.

[Ennder]

Considering he is pretty poor defensively I'd think the utility role would be more valuable for this specific player.

[sveumrules]

Villar has a -12 UZR this year, but his DRS is +2 so there is some disagreement among the metrics in the 2016 sample. From the eye test I would say Villar is average defensively at best and very likely below average compared to other MLB SS. As a switch hitter who can play 2B, 3B, SS and maybe even the OF in a pinch I think ideally he is a super sub on a contending team or a starter on a bad team, like now.

[tmwiese55]

He's also playing the most difficult position. You'd think he'd go up ratings significantly if playing 2B every day. Let's put it this way, many worse players have started for WS winning and contending teams in the history of baseball, including many in recent years. I'm not sure if some of you expect All Star or MVP level players at every position or what.

[zzzmanwitz]

I heard DS on ESPN Radio today say that they brought Arcia up to get him acclimated to Major League pitching and the Major League lifestyle/schedule. I can get behind that.

[reillymcshane]

I heard DS on ESPN Radio today say that they brought Arcia up to get him acclimated to Major League pitching and the Major League lifestyle/schedule. I can get behind that.

If you go over the ESPN, Stearns talked about 10 minutes with Buster Olney (everyone's favorite) about the trades and as well as Arcia. There's audio you can stream. He basically said the same thing about Arcia - they feel he's ready, his next step is to get to the majors, spend 60 games learning what it is to be a big leaguer, that sort of thing.

[pacopete4]

Not trying to be ignorant but why hasn't Arcia learned English in his time in the minor leagues? They mentioned he has an interpreter in one of the articles unless I read it wrong. Just seems like it would be a very good thing for him to do.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Not trying to be ignorant but why hasn't Arcia learned English in his time in the minor leagues? They mentioned he has an interpreter in one of the articles unless I read it wrong. Just seems like it would be a very good thing for him to do.

 

he probably does have a fair grasp of English, but can answer questions more thoughtfully if posed to him in his native language by an interpreter. The game has evolved to the point where English is starting to become the less common language used around clubhouses, and kids whose 1st language is English need to learn Spanish on the fly, too.

 

Many MLB players who have been stateside for years continue using interpreters when dealing with the media.

[homer]

Not trying to be ignorant but why hasn't Arcia learned English in his time in the minor leagues? They mentioned he has an interpreter in one of the articles unless I read it wrong. Just seems like it would be a very good thing for him to do.

 

he probably does have a fair grasp of English, but can answer questions more thoughtfully if posed to him in his native language by an interpreter. The game has evolved to the point where English is starting to become the less common language used around clubhouses, and kids whose 1st language is English need to learn Spanish on the fly, too.

 

Many MLB players who have been stateside for years continue using interpreters when dealing with the media.

 

Yeah most of the guys get by with English but for interviews they use interpreters. They don't feel comfortable talking in English and maybe getting their words mixed up...granted interpreters do that for them on occasion.

[zzzmanwitz]

I remember Gomez getting slammed last year for an interview which seemed to get lost in translation.

[gregmag]

Man his approach at the plate has looked good tonight.

[danzig6767]

That sure was some fabulous looking defense tonight from the shortstop/thirdbase side of the infield.

 

If Villar does stick at third next year and acclimates to it well to play next to Arcia, it sure could be fun to watch.

[Austin Tatious]

Arcia is really flashing in my eyes. You can see the talent and why he's been universally praised. He's getting his feet wet. It seems like he's got a presence, he has a good outward vibe which I like. Agree on the swing and approach going the other way. That will serve him well. The defensive athleticism is quite obvious.

[dlk9s]

I saw video of Arcia's hit last night, which was the first time I saw him hit at all. I don't really see the problem with his stance. It's a bit straight up-and-down, maybe, but the important thing is whether or not he gets his hands, body, etc., in good hitting position as the ball approaches. MLB is full of different stances, but players what matters is what is going on when the swing starts.

 

I'm no hitting coach, but a quick first glance and things looked ok to me.