Lucroy and Jeffress to the Rangers for CF Lewis Brinson, RHP Luis Ortiz, PTBNL…(Lucroy comments, post 523; PTBNL is Ryan Cordell, post 581)

[3and2Fastball]

We got a potential superstar CF prospect plus two starting pitching prospects plus an MLB catcher for Lucroy & two bullpen guys.... how the 30 year old genius pulled that off is beyond me!

 

More on Brinson here:

 

http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/al/texas-rangers/pleskoff-scouting-report-lewis-brinson/

[wibadgers23]

Anybody know what Ortiz is on the DL for?

[NievesNoNO]

Like this deal. The ptnl feels like a "dang we're out of time, how about you pick from this group later".

[DR28]

Any chance Ronald Guzman can be the PTBNL?

 

This would really sweeten the deal.

[jjkoestler]

Do we have any indication if the PTBNL is based on how Texas finishes or the two sides just didn't have enough time to settle on a third piece?

[gobrew23]

Seems like a deal for just Luc???

 

I would think the PTBNL has to fit in for adding JJ.

 

Why would this just be for Luc??? Think of the Cleveland deal... this is tremendously more in return.

[A Swing and A Drive]

I think we actually got as much for Will friggin Smith as we did for Lucroy and Jeffress combined!!!

 

In fact, I'd take Bickford first out of the 4 prospects acquired today.

[Oldcity]

I still prefer the Cleveland deal, assuming the ptbnl is a lottery ticket type. I probably like Mejia better than either of these guys, and I think Stearns did, too. And the other two players from Cleveland were solid.

[brewcrewdue80]

 

That's a relief! Hoping a contingent type as Sabathia trade was. Gives Gallo time to play for Rangers while not helping the Brewers this season. Then switch if the Rangers won the division lets say. That'd be nice

What are the rules on PTBNLs re: 25-man, 40-man, 2016 draftees?

 

I remember reading on here somewhere they have to be eligible to be traded at the time the original trade went down, so basically no 2016 draftees.

 

Gallo isn't a 2016 draftee. No Draftees this year can be ptbnl until after the World Series in a trade.

[IndyCrew]

Bickford makes me feel better about this trade. I think we got too much value for Smith, and a little under value for Lucroy, but as for the day, I'm happy. I'm surprised he didn't make some lesser deals for lottery tickets.

[QuevedosTongue]

Anybody know what Ortiz is on the DL for?

 

Groin pull/strain.

[And That]

Anybody know what Ortiz is on the DL for?

Ortiz is not on the DL, at least according to MiLB.com:

http://www.milb.com/roster/index.jsp?sid=t540

[MilwaukeeBeers]

I think someone from wildcat's list is the PTBNL.

 

Payano or Tavares would be legit.

[Funketown]

I'm not sure I fully get the pessimism here.

 

Frankly, Lucroy with 1.5 seasons is significantly more valuable than Lucroy with 1.0 seasons. I would imagine all these teams bargaining with the Brewers understood Stearns' need to unload Lucroy before the deadline, so perhaps that's why offers were not as strong as we would have hoped. Brinson's 2016 season is worrisome, but it's not like he's been awful (Fangraphs gives his wRC+ this season as 98; side note: is the Texas League notoriously pitcher-friendly?), and (i) he's 22 years old, (ii) posting a .260 BABIP, which is nearly .100 below his career average prior to this season, and (iii) supposedly a strong defensive prospect.

 

Throw in Ortiz, and this sounds like a reasonable get for Stearns.

[folly412]

Can't complain. Ortiz projects as a top 3 starter and is 20. Brinson is only 22 and has dealt with injuries this year. While it can't be another top 100 (because other than Gallo, the Rangers are out of them), it's not the type of deal where the PTBNL is usually a "thanks for taking salary" scrub.

 

Now have the 14, 22, 30, 50, 57, 58, and 74th best from BBA's mid-season list. 7 of the top 74 isn't bad, especially being just a year into a re-build.

[QuevedosTongue]

Anybody know what Ortiz is on the DL for?

Ortiz is not on the DL, at least according to MiLB.com:

http://www.milb.com/roster/index.jsp?sid=t540

 

I guess he just came off and pitched on Friday. Was there for groin pull.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

Guys, guys, guys... Brinson is a possible 5 tool CF who some scouts argue has more potential than Mazara. Ortiz has a chance to be a TORP.

 

Stearns knocked it out of the friggin park.

 

 

Totally disagree with this.

The deal is definitely not without risk, but man oh man 30-30 potential with plus defense...

[TheCrew07]

Lewis Brinson has been dealing with a shoulder issue all year, which gives me pause, but I really like him. In July he played just his 2nd full month of games so far this season.

 

[pre]Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS

Total 80 341 317 49 75 15 6 11 41 13 4 19 66 .237 .282 .426 .708

Last 7 days 6 23 23 3 8 2 0 0 2 1 1 0 6 .348 .348 .435 .783

Last 28 days 25 116 112 16 30 5 2 4 10 3 1 4 26 .268 .293 .455 .748

Last 90 days 60 261 243 35 54 10 4 9 32 9 2 16 56 .222 .269 .407 .677

 

Home 42 172 160 28 40 7 5 9 24 8 1 10 28 .250 .298 .525 .823

Away 38 169 157 21 35 8 1 2 17 5 3 9 38 .223 .266 .325 .591

 

vs RHP as RHB 77 282 263 60 11 5 9 34 16 56 .228 .274 .411 .685

vs LHP as RHB 31 59 54 15 4 1 2 7 3 10 .278 .322 .500 .822

 

April 17 68 62 11 16 5 1 1 8 4 2 3 9 .258 .309 .419 .728

May 26 113 104 14 21 3 2 4 14 3 1 8 20 .202 .259 .385 .644

June 8 29 26 5 5 1 1 2 8 1 0 2 9 .192 .241 .538 .780

July 29 131 125 19 33 6 2 4 11 5 1 6 28 .264 .298 .440 .738

 

2 outs RISP 38 47 42 10 3 1 2 14 5 10 .238 .319 .500 .819

 

vs. Younger Pitchers 9 19 19 4 1 0 0 1 0 4 .211 .211 .263 .474

vs. Older Pitchers 76 322 298 71 14 6 11 40 19 62 .238 .287 .436 .723[/pre]

 

Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table

Generated 8/1/2016.

 

 

Luis Ortiz was a pitcher I liked very much in 2014, he had an injury concern that was kept quiet so he started falling down draft boards. Prior to that I liked him as much Grant Holmes in that draft, but with the injury known, but no information regarding what or why it it was hard to keep him at the top of the draft. It's kind of interesting that all of the pitchers I liked from that draft outside of Freeland have been traded already... Newcomb, Holmes, and Ortiz.

[UMBrewer]

Brewers new Top 10 Prospects List:

 

Orlando Arcia

Josh Hader

Lewis Brinson

Phil Bickford

Trent Clark

Brett Phillips

Luis Ortiz

Gilbert Lara

Jacob Nottingham

Kodi Medieros

 

Isan Diaz is pissed!

[jw5511986]

Brewers new Top 10 Prospects List:

 

Orlando Arcia

Josh Hader

Lewis Brinson

Phil Bickford

Trent Clark

Brett Phillips

Luis Ortiz

Gilbert Lara

Jacob Nottingham

Kodi Medieros

 

Isan Diaz is pissed!

 

So is Corey Ray apparently, just went from #2 to out of the Top 10 somehow.

[adambr2]

IMO Stearns did great today. We have plenty of quantity in our system, we needed some quality, and basically doubling our top 100 players did just that. Brinson immediately becomes the 1B to Arcia's 1A, or the other way around, it doesn't matter.

 

We got two really good potential starting pitchers today which we desperately needed in our system. It's not just Hader anymore and then everyone else.

 

A potential 5 tool CF, a passable starting catcher now, and two top 60 or so arms. And another player we don't know about yet. All for two good pen arms and a great catcher, but one we weren't going to keep after next season.

[1992casey]

IIRC Jeffress was self-medicating for a condition -- anxiety? -- for which he wasn't getting proper treatment. IIRC Agent39 had the story. You can make whatever moral / ethical judgments you want about that scenario, but if it's accurate (I'm being very careful here because I'm going from hazy memory), we have good reason to think the problem is firmly in his past.

It was symptoms caused by epilepsy that hadn't been diagnosed. I think the doctors finally figured out what was going on when he was with the Jays organization.

[adambr2]

How Lara and Medieros could be ranked over Ray and Diaz right now is beyond me.

[Herm]

also pissed -- C Ray, Ponce, Diplan, F "don't call me Wily" Peralta, Woodruff, Erceg.....

[jjfanec]

Brewers new Top 10 Prospects List:

 

Orlando Arcia

Josh Hader

Lewis Brinson

Phil Bickford

Trent Clark

Brett Phillips

Luis Ortiz

Gilbert Lara

Jacob Nottingham

Kodi Medieros

 

Isan Diaz is pissed!

 

As someone said Ray should be in there. And am i the only one who thinks Diaz, Diplan, Peralta and Woodruff could be ahead of a few on that list