Lucroy and Jeffress to the Rangers for CF Lewis Brinson, RHP Luis Ortiz, PTBNL…(Lucroy comments, post 523; PTBNL is Ryan Cordell, post 581)

[wichmae]

Okay folks. I gave my buddy a call this afternoon. He actually had more insight than he usually does.

 

I guess the scouting department was up all night last night.

 

Stearns and the Brewers wanted no part of Gallo. The Brewers scouting reports on him are terrible. They didnt like him in high school and passed on him and they still dont like him now.

 

The issue was that Stearns was in a pickle as to whether to take Brinson, or multiple lessor players.

 

Apparently somebody higher up advised Stearns to take Brinson as he is a 5 tool player. They think it was someone from the old Melvin regime, as those guys apparently drooled over Carlos Gomez, and see Brinson as the exact same player.

 

Take it for what its worth.

 

Someone above Stearns.....That makes sense. Go for the big guns, stop with the cute diamond in the rough types.

 

We now have 3 guys who are top 65 guys in one afternoon. Give the Brewers FO a team attaboy.

Only person that could be is Mark A. In baseball sense no one is above David.

[zzzmanwitz]

Okay folks. I gave my buddy a call this afternoon. He actually had more insight than he usually does.

 

I guess the scouting department was up all night last night.

 

Stearns and the Brewers wanted no part of Gallo. The Brewers scouting reports on him are terrible. They didnt like him in high school and passed on him and they still dont like him now.

 

The issue was that Stearns was in a pickle as to whether to take Brinson, or multiple lessor players.

 

Apparently somebody higher up advised Stearns to take Brinson as he is a 5 tool player. They think it was someone from the old Melvin regime, as those guys apparently drooled over Carlos Gomez, and see Brinson as the exact same player.

 

Take it for what its worth.

 

Someone above Stearns.....That makes sense. Go for the big guns, stop with the cute diamond in the rough types.

 

We now have 3 guys who are top 65 guys in one afternoon. Give the Brewers FO a team attaboy.

Only person that could be is Mark A. In baseball sense no one is above David.

 

Well, he didn't say higher up than Stearns, he just said higher up.

[foamboy1]

And after the Will Smith trade...Stearns gets taken to the cleaners. How the Heck do you trade BOTH Lucroy and Jeffress and not get Gallo included too?? If Stearns had a chance to take him...but another lessor prospect..well...Break this down individually...Will Smith ALONE brought back SF's #1 organizational prospect, PLUS a Catcher..said prospect is rated #63. Now, going one for one..Jeremy Jeffress brought you Ortiz..the #65 prospect. So, all you got for Lucroy was the #21 prospect?? You traded an All Star Catcher for an OFer...Tradfng both of these guys should have been these two PLUS Gallo. Stearns panicked. I'm not sure this is even better than cleveland's deal when you figure the Brewers were getting that for Lucroy alone..Loved the Smith deal..he gets an "A" from me on that one..but sorry to say, he gets an "F", on this one..that isn't NEARLY enough value for an all star Catcher and a bullpen arm under team control till 2020. he had plenty of time to trade Jeffress in the upcoming years. Overall grade for the two trades today... D

 

There is no way I am the only one here who was expecting this exact post...

 

 

 

I'm amused by the catfighting. I think we did okay today - wish the market would have gotten superhot for Lucroy but it simply did not - that's not Stearns fault. That's a headscratcher. Injuries and poor performance broke Milwaukee's way and it still did not superheat the market.

 

Overall - we add a bunch of talent. The bigger issue for this franchise is to draft better - be even a top 10 team in drafting and developing talent. Milwaukee's failure in this way has had a huge impact on the state of the franchise and we're all expect a few trades by the new guy to make it all good.

 

This is a long march - we need to improve many aspects of player acquisition and development. We took a step in the right direction today.

[proudsoftballdad]

I was told from a friend who does a sports talk show that he dI'd confirm that the player to be named is identified by both organizations ,not comming from a list of players provided by the Rangers and the Brewers pick one from that list . So must be a fairly sufficient pice right?

[Boomer5]

I was told from a friend who does a sports talk show that he dI'd confirm that the player to be named is identified by both organizations ,not comming from a list of players provided by the Rangers and the Brewers pick one from that list . So must be a fairly sufficient pice right?

 

This feels like the Rangers asked for JJ at the end and we didn't have enough time to go back and forth. So yes it appears this would be a good prospect.

[bill hAll Star]

I was told from a friend who does a sports talk show that he dI'd confirm that the player to be named is identified by both organizations ,not comming from a list of players provided by the Rangers and the Brewers pick one from that list . So must be a fairly sufficient pice right?

 

In English, please.

[markedman5]

I was told from a friend who does a sports talk show that he dI'd confirm that the player to be named is identified by both organizations ,not comming from a list of players provided by the Rangers and the Brewers pick one from that list . So must be a fairly sufficient pice right?

 

If the player is already agreed to then why would he not be named now?

 

That makes no sense.

[KCBrewerfan34]

For all we know Texas was the one who wanted to include Gallo and Stearns said thanks but no thanks. Maybe one of the most controversial prospects in recent memory; Brewers scouts might have told him to stay the heck away.

 

Really excited to add Ortiz and Bickford to Hader, Ponce, Medeiros, Woodruff, Lopez, etc. At least 3 of those guys have to turn out right?

I'm extremely high on Woodruff. With he, Hader, Ortiz and Bickford that's almost as good a young SP core as the Mets.

 

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Pump the brakes there fella

[brewerfan82]

I was told from a friend who does a sports talk show that he dI'd confirm that the player to be named is identified by both organizations ,not comming from a list of players provided by the Rangers and the Brewers pick one from that list . So must be a fairly sufficient pice right?

 

If the player is already agreed to then why would he not be named now?

 

That makes no sense.

Also, why would we have to wait until the MiLB season is over? Does that combined with this information give anyone any hints as to what could be going on and perhaps narrow who/what kind of player may still be coming our way?

[3and2Fastball]

PTBNL is almost for certain from among a group of 2-4 players who both sides agreed to in principle. The Brewers can scout those players and pick at a pre-determined time

[QuevedosTongue]

I was told from a friend who does a sports talk show that he dI'd confirm that the player to be named is identified by both organizations ,not comming from a list of players provided by the Rangers and the Brewers pick one from that list . So must be a fairly sufficient pice right?

 

Can somebody tell why, if this is true, the Brewers would let the player play out the season with the other team's minor league affiliate? I totally understand a PTBNL if there is a list or some conditions on which player, but if the player is identified and there are no conditions, why do it this way? The only reason I could think of is a player is already at the same position at the same minor league level and the Brewers don't want to have to bench or move that player. Even that doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

 

But, if it's true, the PTBNL is definitely a position player.

[TheCrew07]

This is a long march - we need to improve many aspects of player acquisition and development. We took a step in the right direction today.

 

This was well said, I wish I could post succinct thoughts in the same manner but my mind just keeps moving from one idea to the next.

[brewerfan82]

Is there any reason it could already be a determined player, as proudsoftballdad suggested? Would an injury dictate naming them a PTBNL for some reason? Or do you think that was an erroneous report?

[TigerUppercut]

For all we know Texas was the one who wanted to include Gallo and Stearns said thanks but no thanks. Maybe one of the most controversial prospects in recent memory; Brewers scouts might have told him to stay the heck away.

 

Really excited to add Ortiz and Bickford to Hader, Ponce, Medeiros, Woodruff, Lopez, etc. At least 3 of those guys have to turn out right?

I'm extremely high on Woodruff. With he, Hader, Ortiz and Bickford that's almost as good a young SP core as the Mets.

 

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I'll have what you're having.

[wichmae]

I would think the PTBNL is one of four things

 

1. Its tied to whether Luc inks an extension or not. Higher quality of player if he does or doesnt.

 

2. Is Texas performance based like we did with CC and Cleveland

 

3. Is purely a list of players

 

or in an effort to possibly support the guy aboves theory a player coming back from TJ and were waiting on rehab info (though this is think because wouldnt you want your medical people doing the rehab).

[stoutdude04]

Definitely late to this specific party here but who is agent39? Is that Jeremy's agent?

 

Yes, as well as other players that have been through the Brewers system. He gives some insight about things here and there. Fun guy to have around.

[Boomer5]

Thank goodness Luc veto'd that trade.

[BeerFan]

I think the PTBNL is just the Brewers pick from a list because they ran out of time to submit the trade. The Brewers get the perk of having a few more months to evaluate the players on the list.

[Sixto]

Our top prospects have been updated on mlb.com

[Boomer5]

Our top prospects have been updated on mlb.com

 

So 3 of our top 6 are the new guys. Very good work.

 

Though I have no idea how Corey Ray is our third best.

[davego]

Could the PTBNL be a first year kid? If I understand the rule, those can't be traded until the end of season one?

[homer]

Thank goodness Luc veto'd that trade.

 

 

Hard to say right now. We don't know what Jeffress alone would have nabbed.

[JosephC]

Despite the crazy returns that came for some relief pitchers, I think this is a solid trade for both sides really. I would have preferred avoiding Brinson (not that I dislike him, just would have rather structured the deal differently) and going for a greater number of prospects. But looking strictly at value, would a package of Taveras + Guzman + Jurado bring more value than Brinson? It could be argued either way, which makes it a "push" situation. I really like Ortiz if he's OK medically. Certainly isn't the prettiest guy out there, but looks like a guy that has confidence in his stuff and will go out there and pound the zone and generate some quick outs with the movement he gets on his pitches. Lots of talk about Yohander Mendez but the bottom line is that Ortiz is still listed higher than Mendez on pretty much every top Ranger's prospect list that I have seen.

 

I definitely like this better than the Cleveland deal, where every prospect after Mejia was pretty shakey. Really like the Stearns packaged the two players and got two players back that are better than anybody Stearns would have gotten back had he packaged them separately.

[reillymcshane]

Could the PTBNL be a first year kid? If I understand the rule, those can't be traded until the end of season one?

No, it can't be a first year kid. The new rules simply say that a PTBNL must be eligible to be traded at the time of the deal. Since all first year players are ineligible to be traded until after the World Series, they cannot be a PTBNL.

 

1st year players can be traded after the World Series - but that has to be a brand new trade. It can't be related to any trade that happened earlier in the year.

[Warning Track Power]

Our top prospects have been updated on mlb.com

 

So 3 of our top 6 are the new guys. Very good work.

 

Though I have no idea how Corey Ray is our third best.

What is awesome is how quickly the system has been rebuilt. Looking at the Top 10 and when they were acquired:

 

1. Arcia: 2010 (#13 in MLB)

2. Brinson: 2016 (#21)

3. Ray: 2016 (#35)

4. Hader: 2015 (#43)

5. Ortiz: 2016 (#63)

6. Bickford: 2016 (#65)

7. Clark: 2015 (#74)

8. Phillips: 2015 (#76)

9. Lara: 2014

10. Diaz: 2016

 

We all know these lists are fluid, Lopez for example is no longer a top 100 prospect, but man that is cool.