The Brand New Lucroy Trade Thread

[FVBrewerFan]

Hope your right Southpaw, but I doubt we get that kind of haul unless Guerra is included.

[Mr Southpaw]

Hope your right Southpaw, but I doubt we get that kind of haul unless Guerra is included.

Add and pay for Garza is the best I would do.

[CrewCut]

I view Guerra as an easily disposable throw-in, personally. 31 years old and I don't feel he will ever pitch to the level he has this year again. If he helps extract a top level prospect by his addition to a deal, pack your bags.

[JosephC]

I agree with madtownhawk about the return that can be expected. If the Brewer do a Lucroy plus a reliever swap, and demand 1B-Joey Gallo or OF-Lewis Brinson, the return will lack quality on the back end. I'd expect it to be something like Gallo/Brinson + OF-Leody Taveras + RHP-Conner Sadzeck. Still think it would be better to subtract out one of those top prospects, add Guerra, and really attempt to go for a return that has great depth in the package. Best hope consists of Lucroy + reliever + Guerra for RHP-Luis Ortiz (if OK medically), LHP-Yohander Mendez, OF-Leody Taveras, 1B-Ronald Guzman, RHP-Ariel Jurado. There may not be a superstar in that package, but the back-end prospects in that type of deal are quality. I'm not sure who would be considered the last piece in this deal (Taveras, Guzman, Jurado), but that last piece would easily be better than the third piece in the aborted Cleveland deal (Allen) and just might be better than the second piece in the aborted Cleveland deal (Chang). 4 of the 5 already in AA and performing well. No staff ace among the group but it's not crazy to think of Ortiz, Mendez and Jurado being future #2/#3/#4 starters. Guzman probably won't be a true masher at first base, but it's reasonable to think he could provide an Adam Lind-type bat. Taveras is the young athlete with upside.

[Mr Southpaw]

I view Guerra as an easily disposable throw-in, personally. 31 years old and I don't feel he will ever pitch to the level he has this year again. If he helps extract a top level prospect by his addition to a deal, pack your bags.

I will keep my lightning in a bottle a little longer.

[Manty Brewer Fan]

This! This is the type of deal I would love to see! Let's skip Gallo and just for that next tier of Rangers prospects where there is a lot trajectory left in the upside and I believe undervalued on the ranks.

 

Mendez, Guzman and Tavares are the guys I want most.

[Madhawk23]

Anyone find it a bit odd that it is this quiet with just 6+ hours left on the trade deadline? I guess I expected last night and this morning to be popping with rumors, but instead we just keep hearing the same stuff that we already knew.

[brewcrewdue80]

Really don't understand the Catcher Wants. It's the least productive position offensively in baseball.

 

That's a fair point but perhaps that's exactly the reason for it. A catcher who can be a significant offensive contributor is a much bigger upgrade in your lineup than someone who hits at the same level at another position.

 

No because of what I said about the best of the best Catcher prospects. D'Arnaud a top 5 prospect, has a few injuries and he becomes ordinary. Mike Zunino another top 15 prospect and he hasn't approached any of the numbers you'd expect for that ranking. Demoted often. Swihart got to the MLB level and has become a non-Catcher.

Kurt Suzuki in 2014 age 30 was an AllStar having 2HR and 309/.365/.396/.760 batting line by that game and finished season with 3HRs .288/.345/.383/.727 Batting line and 2.2WAR in 131Games played.

 

What did that get him? a 2/12mil contract with a 6mil option immediately following that season. Age 30. Point is that an AS type catcher in his 30s can be had for less than 10million a season. Suzuki has .9WAR on this season.

Find your guy in FA or trades when you know 100% they can stay behind the plate. Draft them later or international sign them. There just aren't elite hitting catchers, theyre the unicorns in baseball.

Maldonado at .202/.330/.357 has a positive WAR offensively! and .8WAR overall on the season. Found him when Angels released him in 2007 a 24th round pick. Manny Pina is a PTBNL acquisition for KRod. We'll see how that works out. But he played a few games for KC 5years ago and remains behind the plate today, so he is a Catcher to be and not a Coulter/Nottingham(if that comes true)

 

Pitching always wins. All it takes is 1 TOR type to put a team around the Playoffs.

[adambr2]

I love what we've gotten from Guerra this year, but I think we need to keep his accomplishments in perspective. There's a reason he spent 10 years in the minors and foreign leagues. Which is more likely - that he suddenly put it all together and turned into a frontline MLB starter at 31, or that he's having a really nice stretch (as we've seen in recent years from guys like Fiers and Jungmann), and will come back down to earth once teams see him a few times and the book on him gets clearer? I would say the former is possible, but the latter is much more likely. I think he's too valuable at this point to just be considered a throw-in, but if he significantly increases the value of a potential package, I'd definitely sell.

[StearnsFTW]

I view Guerra as an easily disposable throw-in, personally. 31 years old and I don't feel he will ever pitch to the level he has this year again. If he helps extract a top level prospect by his addition to a deal, pack your bags.

I will keep my lightening in a bottle a little longer.

 

If the return is good I'd deal him, but I can certainly understand this view as well.

[mattyo]

Jerry Crasnick ‏@jcrasnick 2m2 minutes ago

The #Rangers keep plugging away on Lucroy, but #Brewers might have to lower their expectations if something is going to get done today.

 

This trade deadline has really bummed me out

[Madhawk23]

Jerry Crasnick ‏@jcrasnick 2m2 minutes ago

The #Rangers keep plugging away on Lucroy, but #Brewers might have to lower their expectations if something is going to get done today.

 

This trade deadline has really bummed me out

 

Guys - this is why I'm really encouraging everyone to keep their expectations lowered here if a deal does get done today. There is no way that Texas is going to give up 5-6 of their top prospects in a deal for Luc/JJ. It just isn't happening.

[Thurston Fluff]

Perhaps I'm wrong.

 

You are. Quantity isn't going to get Archer or Teheran. They are asking for multiple top prospects, especially Atlanta. IIRC, they requested both Yoan Moncada and Andrew Benintendi from Boston. Archer's price isn't much different. The package you proposed isn't anywhere near enough to get those done. Saying it's easy to get an ace is just unbelievably inaccurate.

 

Stearns is doing it right for our market. You stock the system and keep replenishing it so you always have ammo down the line when you're ready for a shot. If we rush this, we'll just be the mediocre franchise we've been the last decade outside of 1 or 2 seasons. You know how we got Braun, Fielder, Weeks, Hardy, etc? We were awful and were fortunate to pick high enough to land those types of talent. It's nowhere near as easy as you're trying to suggest.

 

Not every good team got their talent that way. The Cardinals for example never pick in the top half of the draft yet they always have a great team and seemingly endless supply of prospects in the system. We spend way too much time focusing on the Cub's/Astros model of and not nearly enough on teams that are more successful than those teams who never do complete rebuilds. It is possible and if this team is ever to be consistently good it is going to have to be done without top 10 picks year in and year out.

[MillerParkSouth]

This trade deadline has really bummed me out

seriously. I was so excited about it on Friday too.

[JosephC]

Anyone find it a bit odd that it is this quiet with just 6+ hours left on the trade deadline? I guess I expected last night and this morning to be popping with rumors, but instead we just keep hearing the same stuff that we already knew.

 

No. Really expected it when it appeared that the Rangers were the front-runners. The Rangers #1 need is still a front-line starter, and they need to make sure (and after that make doubly-sure) that they won't be able to obtain one. Only then should they go to the Plan B option which would be Lucroy and then probably have to settle for Guerra as a part of that deal.

 

It's also pretty likely that the Brewers have requested that negotiations be kept pretty quiet after the no-trade with Cleveland.

[JohnBriggs12]

Look, it isn't the end of the world if Lucroy is a Brewer tomorrow. Lowering your price or including your best starting pitcher who happens to be making major league minimum is the panic move. I still think plan B is trading Braun this winter, then extending Lucroy.

[MilwaukeesBest]

Look, it isn't the end of the world if Lucroy is a Brewer tomorrow. Lowering your price is the panic move. I still think plan B is trading Braun this winter, then extending Lucroy.

 

Yuck. Plan B for Barf.

[brewcrewdue80]

Acquiring young talent though means probably at MINIMUM 2-3 years before they are in the bigs, and that means probably another 2-3 from them to all gell together, which means we are looking at 5-6 years minimum before the Brewers are winning again..that's simply too long. I loathe losing..as a baseball coach of an amateur team myself..you can only take so much of it.

 

Sounds like what the Twins just did. About 5 years of losing, and then sold their fans for years on "you just wait for 2016-2017 when these top prospects are going to come up and take us to the promised land." How'd that work out for them? I understand eying the A/AA talent and the premise behind it, but this isn't a vaccum and we really should focus on the player, not where they're at. If Gallo (as an example) pans out, we have a heck of a trade chip to pawn off in a year or two, or possibly a franchise player.

 

The glitter and allure of projectable talent is just too tempting for some. Sorry but I don't want to tolerate 5-6 years of losing either, and neither should anyone else. If the "plan" doesn't work we are ruined for at least a decade. I'm all for targeting upside in the lower parts of the minors, but don't want to rule out the upper minors either.

 

The part on Minnesota. Well they have some hitting, it's pitching they don't have, and why Pitching needs to be acquired in a Lucroy trade, which wasn't with Cleveland. Just Ortiz alone is a better deal than what Cleveland gave up. Minnesota was over .500 last season because pitching did better. We'd likely be at or above .500 if Nelson/Peralta/Anderson pitched to expectations with the success Davies/Guerra has given.

[A Swing and A Drive]

And it's quite obvious that one team really wants Braun. At least not enough to give up ANYTHING of value.

[Boomer5]

Their first priority has to be moving the relievers. I have never seen a reliever market this hot and Ive been a Brewer fan since George Scott.

 

Stearns wont let us miss out on that market where every reliever with a pulse is going for a top 100. This is an opportunity we can't miss and we are uniquely suited to take advantage as we have 3 and we don't need them for this season anyhow.

 

After seeing what he settled for in the Luc trade, Im less optimistic. I guess Id give the Mets a take it or leave it of TdA and Rosario. Gallo just doesnt interest me as a lead and Im a huge fan of building a team around HR hitters. Id be more interested in a one for one of Luc for one of the Boston "untouchables" than anything else I have seen.

[CrewCut]

Look, it isn't the end of the world if Lucroy is a Brewer tomorrow. Lowering your price is the panic move. I still think plan B is trading Braun this winter, then extending Lucroy.

 

That would be a horrendous move.

[UMBrewer]

Call the Rockies!!!!!

 

I think if we are dealing with the Rangers you have to get Ortiz and Mendez back and depending on whether you are sending a reliever expect Brinson or Gallo as the main piece.

 

With a reliever: Gallo, Ortiz, Mendez without a reliever Brinson, Ortiz, Mendez.

[Boomer5]

And it's quite obvious that one team really wants Braun. At least not enough to give up ANYTHING of value.

 

Im shocked the Dodgers havent made a big move on Braun. They can easily afford him and they desperately need a RH hitter.

 

A Braun/Luc mega trade would be interesting.....

[Hammer]

That's why I like Brewerfan.net. Knowledgeable posters that you can disagree with.

 

I will think of it as a colossal failure if the Brewers do not trade Lucroy and at least two relievers today as the rebuild is on and needs to be augmented with the trading of assets that won't be here when the team hits its stride. The reliever market is absolutely crazy this year for the returns and Lucroy is the only all-star catcher on the market. DS has to get these deals done today or the fanbase, in my opinion, will not react well.

 

Just my $.02 as always.

[homer]

I didn't realize Gallo was only 22.