The Brand New Lucroy Trade Thread

[wildcat2237]

Heres more on the Payano injury.

 

http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20160707&content_id=188614220&fext=.jsp&vkey=recap&sid=t448

[TheCrew07]

I would be more than happy with either Gallo or Brinson headlining a package. I'm still leaning a little bit more towards Gallo. He's a popular target for people to "dislike" and project as a bust, but even his floor would make him instantly the most dynamic hitter in our minors and at a position (regardless of which corner infield spot he ends up at) that we're lacking in.

 

Again, I'd love either guy, but for those who are opposed to Gallo and want Brinson instead, take a look at what each has done this year in the minors and realize that Gallo's only 6 months older than Brinson and doing it a level higher than Brinson:

 

Gallo (as a 22 yo in AAA): .246/.381/.557/.939 with 19 HRs, 5 3B, 53 BBs, 91 Ks, 1 SB in 244 ABs

Brinson (as a 22 yo in AA): .233/.280/.425/.705 with 11 HRs, 6 3B, 19 BBs, 66 Ks, 12 SBs in 313 ABs

 

In a one-for-one deal, I can understand not wanting to take the risk of Gallo busting, but in a package with 3+ other players, I would glad to have his upside included.

 

People have been using some weird statistical comparisons in this thread.

 

First, all of the AAA stats completely neglected total PA to provide any type of context.

 

Then above why compare 3B which aren't indicative of anything, especially when Gallo doesn't run well and most 3B are the result of defensive positioning or misplays? If you want to compare XBHs why not use 2B and HRs like everyone who talks about prospects does? I suspect it's because Brinson actually has more and it didn't suit the narrative being pushed. Even so the base comparison is invalid because Gallo is a corner infielder and Brinson is a CF so any comparisons should be made to other players along those positioning lines. Unless the expectation is that all CFs will hit like Mike Trout? Brinson has also been dealing with a shoulder issue which is somewhat scary as they are career enders for baseball players which has limited his effectiveness. If the expectation is that every stud prospect will never have a down year it's unrealistic, only the absolute best super prospects perform at that level and even they will bomb out on occasion.

 

There's just been very little context provided beyond the Gallo to Branyan comparison which I feel is probably the most valid possible, and I was never a Branyan supporter or lover of 3TO. I was amused by the support for him on this site, but never shared in it, nor the 3TO fascination.

 

It doesn't matter how much power you have if you aren't able to consistently put the bat on the ball, power doesn't translate without contact. For Gallo to hit enough HRs to be valuable he has to be able to put in the ball play enough to hit for a reasonable MLB average, unless we're going to project him to have the best HR rate of all time? It's nearly impossible to hit 40 HRs hitting less than .220.

[Mr Southpaw]

Can David Garcia be traded?

[Brewcrewin07]

Gallo is not a Stearns guy. He is major league ready and would take a lot of the value out of Lucroy/Jeffress.

 

Yeah, because why on earth would you ever want to improve your current major league club David?? That makes ZERO sense. Like someone said earlier..it's about acquiring the best talent you can..who cares if there Single A team wins a championship?? This is big boy baseball David..If you're too scared to play..then don't, and let someone who can handle it handle the heavy lifting.

[TURBO]

Gallo is not a Stearns guy. He is major league ready and would take a lot of the value out of Lucroy/Jeffress.

 

Yeah, because why on earth would you ever want to improve your current major league club David?? That makes ZERO sense. Like someone said earlier..it's about acquiring the best talent you can..who cares if there Single A team wins a championship?? This is big boy baseball David..If you're too scared to play..then don't, and let someone who can handle it handle the heavy lifting.

 

[mikepot53565]

Can someone explain to me why the Brewers are thinking about Derek Norris

[sfl2hnq17]

You're going a little over-the-top with sanctimonious condescension. How do YOU know Gallo is going to be good? And if you are convinced he is going to be good, why do you think Texas would make him available? Not a single prospect watcher/evaluator thinks he is the best prospect and the Rangers don't even think he is good enough to be on the MLB team right now. Why would Stearns worry about making the current team better? Everybody knows it is a rebuilding process. We are not going to compete for a few years.

[FVBrewerFan]

Gallo is not a Stearns guy. He is major league ready and would take a lot of the value out of Lucroy/Jeffress.

 

Yeah, because why on earth would you ever want to improve your current major league club David?? That makes ZERO sense. Like someone said earlier..it's about acquiring the best talent you can..who cares if there Single A team wins a championship?? This is big boy baseball David..If you're too scared to play..then don't, and let someone who can handle it handle the heavy lifting.

 

Yes, I hope Melvin reminded Stearns this is "big boy" baseball. Great, now I have one more thing to worry about.

[MilwaukeesBest]

Can someone explain to me why the Brewers are thinking about Derek Norris

 

Hold that thought, we have to explain again to BrewCrew07 why a potential Gallo deal could have too many risks involved. In a couple hours we'll get back to this once he finally starts to get that Gallo isn't a sure fire prospect.

[clancyphile]

I would be more than happy with either Gallo or Brinson headlining a package. I'm still leaning a little bit more towards Gallo. He's a popular target for people to "dislike" and project as a bust, but even his floor would make him instantly the most dynamic hitter in our minors and at a position (regardless of which corner infield spot he ends up at) that we're lacking in.

 

Again, I'd love either guy, but for those who are opposed to Gallo and want Brinson instead, take a look at what each has done this year in the minors and realize that Gallo's only 6 months older than Brinson and doing it a level higher than Brinson:

 

Gallo (as a 22 yo in AAA): .246/.381/.557/.939 with 19 HRs, 5 3B, 53 BBs, 91 Ks, 1 SB in 244 ABs

Brinson (as a 22 yo in AA): .233/.280/.425/.705 with 11 HRs, 6 3B, 19 BBs, 66 Ks, 12 SBs in 313 ABs

 

In a one-for-one deal, I can understand not wanting to take the risk of Gallo busting, but in a package with 3+ other players, I would glad to have his upside included.

 

Gallo has very good OBP skills to go with his 80 power. 3TO Gallo.

 

I'm okay with Gallo, but Lucroy warrants at least two other prospects, and one has to be a catcher. I'll toss in Guerra and Jeffress, but that means the haul has to be huge.

[beekay414]

Gallo is not a Stearns guy. He is major league ready and would take a lot of the value out of Lucroy/Jeffress.

 

Yeah, because why on earth would you ever want to improve your current major league club David?? That makes ZERO sense. Like someone said earlier..it's about acquiring the best talent you can..who cares if there Single A team wins a championship?? This is big boy baseball David..If you're too scared to play..then don't, and let someone who can handle it handle the heavy lifting.

 

He's a lost cause

[Brewcrewin07]

You're going a little over-the-top with sanctimonious condescension. How do YOU know Gallo is going to be good? And if you are convinced he is going to be good, why do you think Texas would make him available? Not a single prospect watcher/evaluator thinks he is the best prospect and the Rangers don't even think he is good enough to be on the MLB team right now. Why would Stearns worry about making the current team better? Everybody knows it is a rebuilding process. We are not going to compete for a few years.

 

Because if you're a professional and have any kind of a competitive bone in your body..you should ALWAYS be trying to win games. That is afte rall why they play Isn't it?? Who says if you don't acquire a few major league ready pieces in trades, and everything falls into place that you can't win next year already?? I just hate teams that purposely try to lose..It ruins the integrity of the game.

[Mr Southpaw]

Can David Garcia be traded?

17 year old catcher Texas# 27.

[Mr Southpaw]

Can David Garcia be traded?

17 year old catcher Texas# 27.

Sorry 16 year old catcher.

[Boomer5]

We don't need a catcher in this deal. Maldy and the two old guys in AAA are fine until we can find one.

 

I'd rather we just went after the best talent possible and worried about catcher in the offseason.

[Mr Southpaw]

We don't need a catcher in this deal. Maldy and the two old guys in AAA are fine until we can find one.

 

I'd rather we just went after the best talent possible and worried about catcher in the offseason.

Are you responding to me?

[sfl2hnq17]

Who is purposely trying to lose games? The players aren't. Counsell isn't. If Jungmann and Peralta pitched halfway decent, this would've been a competitive baseball team.

[MrTPlush]

We don't need a catcher in this deal. Maldy and the two old guys in AAA are fine until we can find one.

 

I'd rather we just went after the best talent possible and worried about catcher in the offseason.

 

We don't need one, but why can't we get one? It is like some sin if we do to some people like we are trying to replace Lucroy in a Lucroy trade.

[Boomer5]

We don't need a catcher in this deal. Maldy and the two old guys in AAA are fine until we can find one.

 

I'd rather we just went after the best talent possible and worried about catcher in the offseason.

Are you responding to me?

 

No. Someone last page mentioned one of the prospects from Texas had to be a catcher.

[Brewcrewin07]

Who is purposely trying to lose games? The players aren't. Counsell isn't. If Jungmann and Peralta pitched halfway decent, this would've been a competitive baseball team.

 

Which goes to show you..That prospects aren't jack..I will bet you anything that this "rebuild" won't even start for 5 more years...What I find interesting is that some of you that are slamming acquiring "major league ready" talent, are also advocating for Derek Norris. I'd like that move, but you can't have it both ways.

[MrTPlush]

Can someone explain to me why the Brewers are thinking about Derek Norris

 

Check out the Drek Norris thread. Some of us took some educated guesses on why. It does make some sense.

[FVBrewerFan]

Who is purposely trying to lose games? The players aren't. Counsell isn't. If Jungmann and Peralta pitched halfway decent, this would've been a competitive baseball team.

 

Which goes to show you..That prospects aren't jack..I will bet you anything that this "rebuild" won't even start for 5 more years...What I find interesting is that some of you that are slamming acquiring "major league ready" talent, are also advocating for Derek Norris. I'd like that move, but you can't have it both ways.

 

You do realize Peralta and Jungmann aren't prospects?

 

Also, I have a pretty good idea rebuild won't take 5 years to start. Since, you know, it started exactly one year ago.

[MilwaukeesBest]

Who is purposely trying to lose games? The players aren't. Counsell isn't. If Jungmann and Peralta pitched halfway decent, this would've been a competitive baseball team.

 

Which goes to show you..That prospects aren't jack..I will bet you anything that this "rebuild" won't even start for 5 more years...What I find interesting is that some of you that are slamming acquiring "major league ready" talent, are also advocating for Derek Norris. I'd like that move, but you can't have it both ways.

 

Troll level on infinity, Eugene.

 

For as close as you appear to be with Haudricourt on Twitter it's sounding more and more like you don't know what's going on in Milwaukee, or more specifically, throughout their minor league teams.

[sfl2hnq17]

Yes because overpaying below average/average free agents has worked out really well for us? Topped out at game 6 of the NLCS. I'd like to go to the world series at some point. You either need prospects to get the majors or to trade and we are still in the process of acquiring those needed prospects.

 

Unless my username changed without me knowing, I didn't say squat about wanting the Brewers to trade for him. If we did, and same with Shelby Miller, it would be good as buy low candidate for future sale not necessarily to help us go anywhere.

[Invader3K]

Who is purposely trying to lose games? The players aren't. Counsell isn't. If Jungmann and Peralta pitched halfway decent, this would've been a competitive baseball team.

 

Which goes to show you..That prospects aren't jack..I will bet you anything that this "rebuild" won't even start for 5 more years...What I find interesting is that some of you that are slamming acquiring "major league ready" talent, are also advocating for Derek Norris. I'd like that move, but you can't have it both ways.

Knock it off, now. You know the rules here.