Lucroy to Cleveland - LUCROY HAS VETOED THE TRADE

[HighHeat19]

Alright, disbanding my account. I gave you a heads up that he was going to Cleveland when pretty much everyone thought he was going to NY.

 

Now I just told you Will Smith is being shopped for a high K starter.

 

Still getting grief.

 

I have info from the inside faster than you can blink.

 

Im out for good.

 

And Go Brewers!

[MrTPlush]

Anyone else think that including Greg Allen in this trade is a slight knee jerk reaction to Corey Ray's slow start in his 1st 100 at-bats? (.219/.257/.267)

 

Hedging bets? Completely unrelated? There's a lot of OF's in the system (Phillips et al)

 

No I think Stearns loves a guy with big time speed and a guy who walks as much as he strikes out.

[MadThinker88]

If there is a 4th player in the deal and its a pitcher that is not a top 30 prospect from the Tribe list, here are some names to watch consider:

 

Julian Merryweather (RHSP)

Luis Lugo (LHSP)

Thomas Pannone (LHSP)

Justin Garza (RHSP)

Matt Esparza (RHSP)

 

Dylan Baker (RHRP)

Jeff Johnson (RHRP)

Ben Heller (RHRP)

JP Feyereisen (RHRP)

Billy Strode (LHRP)

[3and2Fastball]

Really just sad McKenzie is not a Brewer...like really sad.

 

Yeah I can relate. McKenzie seems like a very special, dominant talent. Though the concern over him only throwing 93 mph is legit, he seems like a true pitcher, not just a thrower. His numbers so far are eye-popping

[MrTPlush]

Really just sad McKenzie is not a Brewer...like really sad.

 

Yeah I can relate. McKenzie seems like a very special, dominant talent. Though the concern over him only throwing 93 mph is legit, he seems like a true pitcher, not just a thrower. His numbers so far are eye-popping

 

He is tall and room to grow. He will be throwing 97 before you know it.

[BallFour]

Mis read post

[3and2Fastball]

Anyone see Keon Broxton turn a double down the left-field line into a triple tonight? Imagine having 2-3 guys like that (that kind of speed, but with plus OBP skills) in the lineup. I think that is, in part, a big aspect of Stearns' vision for the future

[brewmann04]

I am stunned DS didn't add a starting pitcher in the luc trade.

[StearnsFTW]

Not a fan of this deal but I'm no expert.

 

Very underwhelmed.

 

Highheat is coming off poorly as well.

[splitterpfj]

I'm very pleased with the players the Brewers got - very pleased.

 

I wanted McKenzie and Mejia at the top of a deal that included Smith to Cleveland and added McKenzie and one more "who's that" at the bottom of the deal.

 

This is real talent coming to the Brewers, all three of them have a real chance to make it.

 

No, none of them are in the top 100 of whoever's whatever - don't sweat that, the main reason for that is their youth. If you're 20, and you were not a first-round pick, you are not in the top 100, even if your play says you are.

 

Be happy, I am.

[anglotiger]

I'm just throwing out another couple of possibilities which I haven't seen discussed here:

 

- the fourth player mentioned is conditional upon Lucroy agreeing to an extension with the Indians prior to the trade deadline.

 

- the fourth player mentioned will end up being a PTBNL, because he's not eligible to be traded yet.

[And That]

I am neither overwhelmed nor underwhelmed by the deal at the moment. Just kind of whelmed.

 

Quite surprised a pitcher like McKenzie or even Hillman isn't coming back. On the other hand, they got 3 offensive talents who all could be top 100 type guys within the next year (and one of whom is already).

 

Going off of the MLB.com list, my hot take his that I'd slot Mejia at 6, Chang at 17, and Allen at 20.

 

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=mil

 

Also, it looks like Jorge Lopez is pregnant.

[MadThinker88]

I'm just throwing out another couple of possibilities which I haven't seen discussed here:

 

- the fourth player mentioned is conditional upon Lucroy agreeing to an extension with the Indians prior to the trade deadline.

 

- the fourth player mentioned will end up being a PTBNL, because he's not eligible to be traded yet.

 

To be the PTBNL, the player has to be eligible for trade on date of original trade.

MLB changed trade rules after craziness of SD/ Washington a year or so ago..

[Point Beer Is Best]

I'm just throwing out another couple of possibilities which I haven't seen discussed here:

 

- the fourth player mentioned is conditional upon Lucroy agreeing to an extension with the Indians prior to the trade deadline.

 

- the fourth player mentioned will end up being a PTBNL, because he's not eligible to be traded yet.

 

The Trea Turner rule prohibits recent draft picks from being traded as PTBNL's, if that's what you're getting at.

 

Outside of Rosenthal mentioning the 4th prospect, has it been confirmed by anyone else? Other than HighHeat saying his source said it wasn't a Top 30 Cleveland prospect?

[brewcrewdue80]

I would hope the 4th piece is a Ptbnl Like Brantley was to Cleveland. Maybe be an Aiken/McKenzie/Clevinger based on winning division or a Playoff Series.

 

But as of right now this is not a good deal. It's Mejia and Allen for Lucroy. Cheng is the QO FA lost exchange the Indians will get. Honestly, I feel like we're about to see Cleveland get a better deal for Gomes from Atlanta.

 

Going to Bed, very annoyed at this return. Those Untouchables weren't touched. Chapman and 30-40innings got #1 prospect from Cubs about top 30 overall. Lucroy and 1.5seasons gets 1 100 prospect? No consideration of price nor QO compensation.

 

Should have just kept him.

[MrTPlush]

Some of you need to learn how a players market works. Chapman got so much because every team in contention seemed to heavily be on on him. Some teams had him as priority #1 and wanted him badly.

 

Lucroy on the other hand had a small market of teams chasing him and most didn't want him that bad. Actually most preferred other things. There seemed to be only two teams that wanted Lucroy. One was the Mets which we knew wasn't offering much and then the Indians. The Indians knew the weak market and didn't bid up themselves. We didn't get Zimmer/Frazier because the Indians knew they didn't need to offer them. They gave up just enough to win the bidding and convince us not to hold onto him.

 

Props to the Indians for knowing the situation. Props to Stearns for maximizing what little leverage he had.

[trwi7]

On the other hand, they got 3 offensive talents who all could be top 100 type guys within the next year (and one of whom is already).

 

I think you're being way too optimistic here.

[MenchHead]

Pretty much everyone who has posted is more informed about the prospects than I am. But I do know one thing, starting pitching is costly and unpredictable. Hopefully we can deal arms for arms. That being said, I feel like we're gunna have to dig deeper in the minors to get them though. The hit or miss possibility/injury is too hard to predict for anyone to give up any name(s) in a deal. I mean, Hader was a throw-in and now he's looking like a legit top-mid rotation starter.

 

I love pitching but I'm not upset DS didn't put most of Lucroy's value in a position so volatile.

[3and2Fastball]

Lucroy is pretty clearly the #2 or #3 overall Catcher in MLB right now. He's having a helluva year. I can understand why some feel underwhelmed at the return. I remain thrilled w/ Mejia though.

[anglotiger]

- the fourth player mentioned will end up being a PTBNL, because he's not eligible to be traded yet.

 

To be the PTBNL, the player has to be eligible for trade on date of original trade.

MLB changed trade rules after craziness of SD/ Washington a year or so ago..

 

That would be why it hasn't been discussed...

[And That]

On the other hand, they got 3 offensive talents who all could be top 100 type guys within the next year (and one of whom is already).

 

I think you're being way too optimistic here.

Chang is strikingly similar to Isan Diaz, who is regarded as being on the cusp of the top 100. May not have quite the hit tool, but he is more than holding his own as a 20 year old in advanced A ball.

 

Allen might be more of a stretch as a top 100 type, but if he keeps up his OBP next year and gets to AAA in the process, he's not that far off.

[jjkoestler]

I'm underwhelmed, but DS knows a hell of a lot more than me. Still hoping for an arm as the 4th piece, and making a lot more moves tomorrow.

[StearnsFTW]

Lucroy is pretty clearly the #2 or #3 overall Catcher in MLB right now. He's having a helluva year. I can understand why some feel underwhelmed at the return. I remain thrilled w/ Mejia though.

 

I don't think this is unreasonable. I mean, Mejia is having an ungodly year. As good as it gets.

 

I just wonder what happened last year and don't pretend to know. I'm excited but worried for the possibilities.

 

I wanted Zimmer pretty bad. He's Mike Cameron to me. Which is high praise in my world.

 

Until I see different I'm optimistic overall. He had to be traded this weekend. The return would've been less this fall imo. The lack of a premium arm is disconcerting to me but we'll see.

[MenchHead]

I'm underwhelmed, but DS knows a hell of a lot more than me. Still hoping for an arm as the 4th piece, and making a lot more moves tomorrow.

 

I second this!

[wildcat2237]

Just saw this...

 

11:08pm: Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports tweets that top catching prospect Francisco Mejia would head to the Brewers in the deal. Yahoo’s Jeff Passan tweets that one of left-hander Justus Sheffield or right-hander Triston McKenzie could be in the deal as well, and Paul Hoynes of the Cleveland Plain Dealer also mentions Sheffield as a possibility (Twitter link). Rosenthal tweets that shortstop Yu-Cheng Chang and outfielder Greg Allen are going to the Brewers as well, if he approves the trade.

 

Maybe Sheffield or McKenzie are in the deal....