Lucroy to Cleveland - LUCROY HAS VETOED THE TRADE

[jjkoestler]

Shawn Armstrong is the last piece

 

In DS I trust, but I'm not happy right now. Better fleece someone for RP today.

[ewitkows]

Still better than the Mets offer

[wibadgers23]

I really like the 3 players that we got but when you compare them to what the Yankees got for Miller, I just don't know. Still a full day left to trade our relievers/Guera for pitching though.

[dlk9s]

I think the success of this trade hinges on Mejia panning out. Everything else seems to be gravy.

 

Agreed.

 

Even though he's not as "young" as a bunch of other guys Stearns has gotten, I really like what I've read about Greg Allen. He's an OBP machine with wheels. Seems to have real potential.

[Boomer5]

This is really not a great deal at all.

 

Yes we all like Mejia but he is an A ball catcher that is the definition of buying high. In essence we burned our best trade chip to make up for the failings of the As trade.

 

The other two are really redundant pieces. We have plenty of no power fast OFers and good but not great middle infielders.

 

And to acquire no impact pitching.

 

I know this board loves Stearns but this is hard trade to like.

 

Well no can disagree that Stearns should light it up on the reliever market.

[Brewcrewin07]

I told you guys...everyone here was all excited at getting "multiple pieces" before this trade went down...now you got it, and no one likes it. It's a be careful what you wish for...I will predict right now that not a single one of the guys DS got in this trade will be productive major league players. DS is in over his head..he didn't get nearly enough for Luc, and looks to me like he traded him...just to trade him. If that was the best he could do..I'd have held him..you weren't going to get less next year, that's for sure.

[Boomer5]

I think the success of this trade hinges on Mejia panning out. Everything else seems to be gravy.

 

Agreed.

 

Even though he's not as "young" as a bunch of other guys Stearns has gotten, I really like what I've read about Greg Allen. He's an OBP machine with wheels. Seems to have real potential.

 

He's 23, just started AA, and we just drafted two OFers like him only better as first round picks. He is a nice throw in piece not a 2nd guy in a trade for an All Star catcher.

[Austin Tatious]

It's all about Meija. I know we are all disappointed but we know Stearns did all he could do. The market and hoped for bidding war didn't happen. It's surprising but it's not like Stearns did anything wrong. Stearns tried to get a big return.

 

If Meija doesn't work out, I don't think we will look back fondly on this deal.

 

Greg Allen is nice but he's another speed guy who can compete with Collymore, Ty Taylor, Harrison, Stomes, and Ray.

 

Teams aren't giving up elite arms. That's why you have to draft them high when the opportunity arises.

[jw5511986]

I agree with HighHeat19...

 

Current CLE package better than anything coming out of NYM...looks like I was right about GAllen and Mejia last week!

I said it would be YDiaz but it was Chang...which is even better...would have loved to have Tristan MacK...but the market is the market.

 

Brewer fans look at Lucroy like a mansion and want a million dollars for it...but if the only offers are 750K then you live in a 750K house...

 

This x1000000. Drives me wild when people talk about supposed value in any walk of life. Your value is what the market dictates it is. You can think you are worthy of a $75K job but if you aren't getting offers at that level then you aren't worth it. Think the Brewers did well, fits the MO of Stearns with young high ceiling middle of the ballpark players, only surprise is no arms but that may still happen, who knows if there will be a 4th piece.

[Boomer5]

I told you guys...everyone here was all excited at getting "multiple pieces" before this trade went down...now you got it, and no one likes it. It's a be careful what you wish for...I will predict right now that not a single one of the guys DS got in this trade will be productive major league players. DS is in over his head..he didn't get nearly enough for Luc, and looks to me like he traded him...just to trade him. If that was the best he could do..I'd have held him..you weren't going to get less next year, that's for sure.

 

I do like Mejia and he is a significant addition, but yes Stearns is really being outclassed in this trading season.

[hurricanecrush]

I have to believe we got the best deal we could. Is it "fair" that relief pitchers are more valuable than one of the best catchers in MLB? No, but there is more demand for them right now and the market is the market. The Mets deal sounded like garbage and there were no other solid rumors about what other teams were offering. Many have said that this is the most value that Luc would have, he had to be gone by the deadline and the risk would be too high to wait. Stearns could have demanded all he wanted but when you don't have several teams desperate for your guy, you have to take the best offer.

[Mr Southpaw]

Why are people expecting the 4th piece to be Mckenzie..solely because the Yankees got 2 high prospects? DS is banking on Mejia becoming a top 10-15 starting catcher in the MLB which would be great trade if it works out. If Lucroy would have walked we would have received a top 40 pick in a draft. I don't see a 2nd piece that shows that value.

Trade Rumors last night.....

 

11:08pm: Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports tweets that top catching prospect Francisco Mejia would head to the Brewers in the deal. Yahoo’s Jeff Passan tweets that one of left-hander Justus Sheffield or right-hander Triston McKenzie could be in the deal as well, and Paul Hoynes of the Cleveland Plain Dealer also mentions Sheffield as a possibility (Twitter link). Rosenthal tweets that shortstop Yu-Cheng Chang and outfielder Greg Allen are going to the Brewers as well, if he approves the trade.

[fridaysfrontrow]

I'm hoping he doesn't accept the trade. I find it very hard to believe that we can't get a better deal in the winter when all 30 teams could use the 2nd best catcher in baseball for $5M. Someone would trade more than what we just received. With the trade deadline and the extra 0.5 seasons I was expecting 2nd piece better than Cheng Chang.

[JohnBriggs12]

Not thrilled with the deal, but Armstrong looks like a keeper and a guy that will fill in nicely when a reliever is traded. Armstrong's K rate in minors are off the charts.

[Oldcity]

Some scorching hot takes in this thread.

 

1) Stearns pretty clearly valued Mejia on the same level as Frazier/Zimmer. Fine by me that he has his own valuations instead of blindly following Baseball America.

 

2) Miller is not a "lesser talent" than Lucroy.

 

3) Miller is under contract a year longer than Lucroy.

 

4) The demand was higher for Miller than Lucroy. Some contenders had a catcher in place. Every contender would have room in their bullpen for Miller.

[adambr2]

This is really not a great deal at all.

 

Yes we all like Mejia but he is an A ball catcher that is the definition of buying high. In essence we burned our best trade chip to make up for the failings of the As trade.

 

The other two are really redundant pieces. We have plenty of no power fast OFers and good but not great middle infielders.

 

And to acquire no impact pitching.

 

I know this board loves Stearns but this is hard trade to like.

 

Well no can disagree that Stearns should light it up on the reliever market.

 

What could Stearns have done differently? I think we can all agree he took the best offer available to him.

 

So the only card he could have played would have been to hold firm and test Lucroy's market again in the offseason or next year's deadline. He then would have risked injury, decline, or Lucroy's market not improving, which there's a good chance it wouldn't have with even less control later.

 

I can't blame him for not taking that chance.

[Eddiehitsthefoulpole]

What do people know about Armstrong? I am no expert on other teams' farm systems. He appears to have been rather successful in the minors.

[burnzy24]

Heyman is saying that the Cubs were the mystery team on lucroy but brewers wanted more because of being in the same division. He also said the Dodgers were interested too.

[Boomer5]

This is really not a great deal at all.

 

Yes we all like Mejia but he is an A ball catcher that is the definition of buying high. In essence we burned our best trade chip to make up for the failings of the As trade.

 

The other two are really redundant pieces. We have plenty of no power fast OFers and good but not great middle infielders.

 

And to acquire no impact pitching.

 

I know this board loves Stearns but this is hard trade to like.

 

Well no can disagree that Stearns should light it up on the reliever market.

 

What could Stearns have done differently? I think we can all agree he took the best offer available to him.

 

So the only card he could have played would have been to hold firm and test Lucroy's market again in the offseason or next year's deadline. He then would have risked injury, decline, or Lucroy's market not improving, which there's a good chance it wouldn't have with even less control later.

 

I can't blame him for not taking that chance.

 

Well we both don't know the other deals out there so we don't know what he turned down or asked for.

 

Mejia's upside is Lucroy at his peak. The other guys are redundant.

 

So IF this was the best deal out there, you don't trade him.

[Point Beer Is Best]

Shawn Armstrong is the last piece

 

[sarcasm]Oh thank God. Here I thought we weren't getting any pitching back. Plus he's almost 26 and on the 40 man so we can appease the guys who wanted MLB ready talent.[/sarcasm]

[mlloyd10]

Is there a timeframe for luc to reject the trade?

 

Dodgers were a mystery team, would have loved to get De Leon and verdugo

[Boomer5]

One piece with potential impact in 2019 plus another 4th OF type. That's it. There's potential for nothing of significance if Meija doesn't pan out. I'd rather have the Mets deal frankly.

 

Depressing watching Lucroy go, but expected something to get excited about. Not with this deal.

 

The best Brewer moves in the past 2 seasons were 2 waiver claims (Perez, Guerra) and the Parra deal (Davies). That was true yesterday and today nothing's changed. Stearns got snookered.

 

Yes. I like Mejia but we really bought high on him. The Mets deal was better

 

Here's hoping Stearns knocks it out of the park on red hot reliever market.

[burnzy24]

Shawn Armstrong is the last piece

 

Is this confirmed? I am not seeing this anywhere.

[Oldcity]

Good Lord, the Mets deal was atrocious. I can't believe what I'm reading.

[trwi7]

What do people know about Armstrong? I am no expert on other teams' farm systems. He appears to have been rather successful in the minors.

 

He's an almost 26 year old reliever that walks a bunch of guys. In other words, I think nothing of him.

 

The more I think about this deal the more pissed off I get. We had one asset that we needed to hit a home run with and at best we beat the shift and dribbled a double down the line.