Lucroy Trades/Proposals (part 4)

[TURBO]

Me thinks the Mystery team is.............Seattle.

 

Taiwan Walker (foot) is drawing strong trade interest, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today.

 

Nightengale didn't mention which teams were interested, though he did say there will be scouts on hand for Walker's bullpen session Friday at Wrigley Field. Walker pitched a simulated game on Wednesday and is close to returning from a foot injury. He could be a good fit for the Marlins who are looking to add a controllable starting pitcher. Walker won't hit free agency until 2021.

 

Source: Bob Nightengale on TwitterJul 28 - 9:19 PM

[HighHeat19]

T. Walker is not a Stearns type as he has already burned up some service time.

[Oldcity]

He does still have five years left though, but he'd basically eat up most, if not all of Lucroy's trade value. I'm sure they'd prefer to get multiple players instead.

[proudsoftballdad]

T. Walker is not a Stearns type as he has already burned up some service time.

Plus he has missed quite a bit of time on the DL nothing major but has missed time each year.

[TURBO]

This is not official in any way, but a friend of mine in the Cleveland area has been hearing Tyler Naquin thrown around a lot in a Lucroy trade. Rumor only, but since it's all we have to go on currently, thought I'd throw it out there.

[LouisEly]

I don't get the obsession with mediocre prospects like Clevinger and Allen...they should be secondary pieces in any Luc trade and guys you settle on as 4th or 5th pieces after shooting the moon. They shouldn't be the 2nd prospect in any Luc deal. I don't get the desire to willingly include them over the likes of McKenzie/Hillman/Mejia/Diaz/Sheffield.

Allen would be 3rd/4th pieces in a deal. But I also think that Clevinger is a little underrated (recency effect - poor very small sample major league performance but good minor league numbers) as is Allen (great OBP, speed, and CF defense, improving every year).

 

I'd definitely take McKenzie and Mejia over Clevinger, but I'd take Clevinger over Sheffield. Sheffield is only 5'10", and the list of 5'10" starting pitchers isn't a long list. Yes, Sonny Gray is on that list but he is struggling mightily this year. Diaz has great OBP but the lack of power concerns me a bit; he is 50/50 with Clevinger. Diaz to me is Allen but one level higher, a year and a half older (Diaz turns 25 in two weeks), and a 3B instead of CF - basically a wash.

[beekay414]

No thanks on Naquin. His performance right now is extremely BABIP fueled and he's playing way over his head. Don't let a SSS fool ya here. He's not that valuable of a piece.

[Jose Cardenal1]

Naquin doesn't seem like the kind of return Stearns is looking for. He seems more like someone Melvin would have targeted. He always wanted guys who could contribute at the ML level right away. Think Kevin Mench. (shudder)

[JosephC]

I'd love to have Naquin as a part of the trade. Sure he is playing over his head right now but virtually anyone with a 1.024 OPS would be playing over their head. The only reason he wasn't considered to be in the same class as Zimmer and Frazier was because of injuries and a lack of power. Now he gets to Cleveland and has hit 12 home runs in 212 plate appearances (I would agree that he won't continue on that pace). Injuries were a broken hand and concussion, things that don't figure to be long-term issues. His defensive metrics have been terrible so far in his MLB career but he was reported to be a plus fielder and the best among himself, Frazier and Zimmer defensively. So while his offense will go down his defense should get much better. Not at all hard to see him as a .280/.350/.440/.790 type of player that will play plus defense. I'd put his value in the same group as 1B-Bobby Bradley and C-Francisco Mejia and if Cleveland wanted to put Naquin in a trade instead of one of those other guys I would still be listening.

 

That being said, I don't think it would make much sense for Cleveland. If you are in a pennant race, why subtract one of the hottest bats out of the lineup when you have so many comparable pieces in your minor league system that you can deal instead?

[bill hAll Star]

Naquin is a David Murphy or Matt Joyce to me. He's an older prospect that will have a nice, long career as a platoon bat. He's playing over his head right now. No thanks.

 

Why would Cleveland trade him? They need him right now as Brantley insurance. The only reason they'd trade him is if they know they're selling extremely high.

[Boomer5]

Two more trades and two more top 100 caliber prospects.

 

This should be a monster return for Luc.

[UMBrewer]

Two more trades and two more top 100 caliber prospects.

 

This should be a monster return for Luc.

 

I know about the Cashner deal, what was the other one?

 

I posted yesterday about the Indians haul, I think if its the Red Sox we could get Devers, Kopech and Sam Travis and maybe Trey Ball as a throw in.

[beekay414]

Two more trades and two more top 100 caliber prospects.

 

This should be a monster return for Luc.

 

I know about the Cashner deal, what was the other one?

 

I posted yesterday about the Indians haul, I think if its the Red Sox we could get Devers, Kopech and Sam Travis and maybe Trey Ball as a throw in.

 

Adalberto Mejia maybe? I'm not sure though.

[tmwiese55]

Not sure why we'd target Naquin either. With Braun and Santana seemingly set at two of the spots and several OFs coming up. Of course we have no idea if they'll pan out but seems like MLB ready OF should be low on our list. And all indications are no plans on moving Braun to 1B. As someone else said this would seem like a Melvin type move to get ML talent back to try and convince the fans we're still going for it. Also, one of Cleveland's stated weaknesses is OF depth especially with Brantley out. I don't get why they would move him at a time they're going for it.

 

My guess is still on Cleveland but I think it will be all prospects.

[bill hAll Star]

My annoyance with the deadline is guys like Rosenthal and Heyman keep tweeting "Padres looking at Ubaldo Jimenez for Upton Jr." (I know Upton is now gone) and "Tigers have offered James McCann for Jonathan Lucroy" or "d'Arnaud for Lucroy is heating up."

 

Unfortunately, 90% of Twitter doesn't follow baseball enough and they start building the idea that their crappy player that is salary offset or veteran filler in the trade is basically equal.

 

After that, Rosenthal or Heyman then, you know, just quietly mention the small print...like, "high-end prospects would also need to go to the Padres in the Upton/Jimenez, or to the Brewers in Lucroy/James McCann or Lucroy/d'Arnaud" deals. Why even mention the first part? They're making the filler of trades the main talking point.

 

"If I want to buy this $100 item, I can start by putting $1 on the counter for the cashier."

[Jose Cardenal1]

Deevers, Kopech & Raudes from Boston

 

Or

 

Frazier, Mejia & McKenzie from Cleveland

 

I would take the Boston offer and then hope to get one of Mejia or McKenzie from Cleveland in a Will Smith trade.

[mattyo]

Deevers, Kopech & Raudes from Boston

 

Or

 

Frazier, Mejia & McKenzie from Cleveland

 

I would take the Boston offer and then hope to get one of Mejia or McKenzie from Cleveland in a Will Smith trade.

 

I like both of those trades, however I highly doubt Lucroy alone gets Devers and Kopech. Would likely have to add Will Smith to that trade, which I would still do. Same thing probably goes for the Cleveland proposal.

 

And yes, yes I know Smith shouldnt be just a "throw-in". Well he's not a throw in here, in my eyes we either get Devers alone for Lucroy, or we add Kopech once we offer Smith.

[beekay414]

Luc alone can get Devers and Kopech. Have you seen this market lately? It's insane.

[And That]

Luc alone can get Devers and Kopech. Have you seen this market lately? It's insane.

David Lucroy might get Kopech at this rate.

[beekay414]

Luc alone can get Devers and Kopech. Have you seen this market lately? It's insane.

David Lucroy might get Kopech at this rate.

It truly is nuts. I've never seen anything like it in my time following the sport. That 2nd WC spot has completely changed the game.

[homer]

Luc alone can get Devers and Kopech. Have you seen this market lately? It's insane.

David Lucroy might get Kopech at this rate.

It truly is nuts. I've never seen anything like it in my time following the sport. That 2nd WC spot has completely changed the game.

 

 

That's an interesting point. Has the 2nd wild card indirectly caused more parity in the league?

[And That]

Luc alone can get Devers and Kopech. Have you seen this market lately? It's insane.

David Lucroy might get Kopech at this rate.

It truly is nuts. I've never seen anything like it in my time following the sport. That 2nd WC spot has completely changed the game.

Except for Sandy "Underreach" Alderson, who is having nothing of it.

[beekay414]

That's an interesting point. Has the 2nd wild card indirectly caused more parity in the league?

Absolutely. If anything, it's drastically effected the trade deadline. More teams believe they have a shot and, as shown by the KC Royals two years ago, any team can get hot once they get in.

 

With this market, we need to have everyone available and we need to listen intently. If Andrew Cashner and Colin Rea are going for Josh Naylor and Luis Castillo, I don't even wanna begin to think about what Jimmy Nelson would go for.

[beekay414]

Except for Sandy "Underreach" Alderson, who is having nothing of it.

Alderson has to play that game because of who his owners are. He's on a strict budget and has little wiggle room. Everything he does has to be approved by the Wilpons. He's using the NY Media to his advantage IMO.

[Jose Cardenal1]

beekay414 said:

 

Luc alone can get Devers and Kopech. Have you seen this market lately? It's insane. [laughing]

 

No kidding. That is what I proposed. Sorry if I wasn't clear but the two proposals from Boston and Cleveland were for Lucroy only.