Milwaukee Bucks 2016 - 2017

[tmwiese55]

Yup, with that issue and him possibly leaving after 1.5 years it's probably not worth it if you have to give up a solid piece like Middleton. Also, even if he resigns along with Jabari's extension they'll have like no cap space to find an adequate shooter to replace Middleton. Will have to get lucky with a draft pick to fill that void. Granted, Boogie can shoot and Jabari is getting better and better at it so the spacing could still be ok

[rwa12]

I think he's in a toxic environment. I'm not saying he'd be a girl scout elsewhere, but Sacramento certainly exacerbates the problem. I think he wants to win, he seems more focused on that than fame. Coach K loved him with the Olympic team. I think he'd be good with playing with Giannis and Parker. It's whether Milwaukee wants to pay him the max. If we could get Cousins for Middleton, Monroe and a 1, I'd jump at it. Heck, throw in Vaughn. See if more playing time helps him, he's still young.

[GAME05]

I want nothing to do with Cousins unless he comes here basically free, which obviously isn't going to happen. Why should a developing team trade assets for a player who will leave in FA after next season?

 

The upside is two solid chances at making the Finals, but the downside is spending the next five years wishing we had another superstar on the team in order to be competitive again.

 

And what's the fun in slogging through those terrible years only to trade those assets away once they start to pan out?

[tmwiese55]

to me he's a guy that deserves a shot with a real team before being cast off as a POS. He hasn't gotten into any real off court problems before the recent club fight thing, which I don't know a ton about. He's been a behind the scenes good charity guy his whole career and like you said, when in a good environment with Team USA he was never a problem and actually came off as smart and well spoken. Basically I just can't really blame him for being pissed and complaining about the situation in Sacramento. If he goes to a good team with a good coach like in Boston and he's still a malcontent, then yea he's an idiot. There's been plenty of jerks in the history of the league who do way better after a change of scenery and when they get into a winning situation. Two prime examples being JR Smith and Rasheed Wallace, but there's been lots of others.

[homer]

Giannis might win MVP in the next season or two. Man is he a monster.

[GAME05]

That was a fun game to watch last night. Buried behind Giannis' career mark, Brogdon also set a career mark and went 7-7. As the announcers said, if you haven't missed a shot all game, you need to be taking more shots.

 

Also got to see Thon play in the 4th, including a 3-point shot. Although I watched him closely on defense and he had absolutely no idea where he was supposed to be and was constantly out of position.

[FVBrewerFan]

Jabari Parker has arrived. Restrictor plate has been removed, and now this team has a true two-headed monster.

[brwrsfan]

They have the two "stars" now so to speak - both of which should still improve pretty substantially over the next couple of years. They still have a ton of holes on the team though, and no cap space thanks to some terrible contracts they've handed out. Hopefully Middleton can really fill in some of those gaps when he returns (primarily the lack of an outside shooter).

[fondybrewfan]

If Middleton can come back around March and be close to his old self that would be huge. The one thing I believe this team is missing is a big man that is a good rebounder and shot blocker and hopefully can run the floor a bit. Henson is to limited, Monroe is too slow, and Plumlee is to sucky.

 

This isn't an Eastern Conference Finals type of team yet but in 2017 with a fully healthy Middleton, Parker, and Giannis I would think they could give Toronto or Cleveland one heck of a series.

[rwa12]

I really thought after watching him last year, Plumlee could fill that role. I thought they overpaid, but given the market, I didn't see anyone else that fit that description. Rebounding, Defense and putbacks was basically his game. The contract just made him seem to forget how to do all those things.

[FVBrewerFan]

They have the two "stars" now so to speak - both of which should still improve pretty substantially over the next couple of years. They still have a ton of holes on the team though, and no cap space thanks to some terrible contracts they've handed out. Hopefully Middleton can really fill in some of those gaps when he returns (primarily the lack of an outside shooter).

 

I don't think they have a ton of holes at all. As you said, getting Middleton back will be huge. Brogdon and Henson serve a purpose, very good in their roles. Bease also, not sure if they want him long term but he's a good bench guy. Actually, Monroe is even fine the way they use him. Also, don't forget Maker. That kid may be as freakish as Giannis on a lot of ways and already has a better jumper.

 

They basically need one more 3 and D guy, and another Center once Monroe moves on. Not a big name or big scorer needed there, just someone who can rebound and play stretch 5 on defense. That really should be enough to be a legit contender in the East. All depends on Giannis and Parker getting better, and they show every sign that will happen.

[Baldkin]

The problem isn't that they have a ton of holes, it's that other than Monroe and Brogdon, they're spending 40 million on their bench that isn't contributing at all.

 

Terry is averaging 17 minutes a game, plays no defense, is on the team to do one thing (hit open 3's) and is only hitting 34% of those.

Beasley is still awful, doesn't know what defense is, shoots way too many long contested 2's (constantly opting for those instead of wide open 3's) -- he's third on the team in shots per minute behind Giannis and Jabari. That's not good.

Teletovic doesn't play, and I can't understand why. He gives everything Beasley does, only he shoots 3's instead of 2's.

Plumlee, well, the best I can say is in the last two games he hasn't actually looked at the basketball like he didn't know what it was when he caught it (as he had in the previous few games)

 

Middleton coming back will help, but until Kidd tightens his rotation from 12 to 9, the team will still struggle and lose leads.

[rwa12]

Beasley is actually doing exactly what he is supposed to. He's a volume scorer. He's inefficient, he plays no D, and he's exactly what was advertised. I don't like him, but I'm not mad at him for doing what he does. Teletovic has a concussion, that is why he is out, I would like to see him get more minutes when healthy. Terry should be there to cheer, and play Maker minutes, he gets way too much run. I like Brogdon a lot, I think Monroe has been pretty good about his role. Snell has been what I expected, average most nights, with a few big point nights like against WAS. The Plumlee contract is awful. I'd happily send a 2nd along with it to someone for no return, just to get out from under it. I think Henson can be the 5 on this team. I like Delly, but I think he could be upgraded. We don't have much in trade assets, but I would love to pull one of Smart/Bradley/Crowder from Boston. I feel like any of those guys would fit well on this team.

[superfly]

Malcolm Brogdon tho....

[Austin Tatious]

Agreed. Brogdon 15 10 and 12 with a 4-1 a/to ratio.

 

It's a stark contrast to MCW who went for like 4-1-4 and a 2-1 a/to ratio.

 

MCW was a bigger name than Snell but the Bucks had Brogdon ready to step in. Brogdon is a complete player.

 

If Maker can develop at the five and they can acquire a legit shooter or two, watch out. You don't need Ricky Pierce or Brian Winters. It would be helpful even if they get a limited guy in the Steve Kerr or John Paxson mode. They need a dead eye shooter to receive the ball off penetration.

[homer]

Brogdon turning into an absolute steal in the 2nd round. Perfect complement to Jabari and Giannis.

[pacopete4]

I feel like the Bucks should have a better record than they do. Am I wrong?

[jjgott]

I feel like the Bucks should have a better record than they do. Am I wrong?

 

Nope! As I posted a few pages back they've had a least a half a dozen games where they've had like 12-15 point leads either at half or in the 3rd quarter and blown it. That one Cavs game where Giannis went mental was a great showcase for how good this team can be, but so far we haven't been able to sustain it.

[DuWayne Steurer]

I liked Brogdon right when they made the pick, and he's done nothing but deserve the minutes he's played. No idea how this guy slipped into the 2nd round. What a steal.

[brewcrewdue80]

I feel like the Bucks should have a better record than they do. Am I wrong?

 

Nope! As I posted a few pages back they've had a least a half a dozen games where they've had like 12-15 point leads either at half or in the 3rd quarter and blown it. That one Cavs game where Giannis went mental was a great showcase for how good this team can be, but so far we haven't been able to sustain it.

 

So I take that response as a Yep?! Many blown 12-15pt leads leading to poor record. So they should have a better record.

 

To some bits above. Re-5. Monroe is clearly to slog-ish. Plumlee I dunno what value he brings. Id rid of him now and play Maker, regardless of being ready. The reps will accelerate his advancement. And with his shooting ability, help spread out the floor for Giannis to just Freak like only he can. Because if Maker's defender comes down to help on a Giannis drive, you know Giannis will kick it out to him wide open 3pt shot. I don't care his pct. In this developmental year. The more frequent he gets these attempts, the more confidence he'll gain down the line with continued encouragement. And if Maker's defender stays tight, Giannis will own the poor sap attempting to guard him. Giannis is nearing a point I think he could score 40 every game if he Kobe'd his shot attempts and wanted.

[jjgott]

I feel like the Bucks should have a better record than they do. Am I wrong?

 

Nope! As I posted a few pages back they've had a least a half a dozen games where they've had like 12-15 point leads either at half or in the 3rd quarter and blown it. That one Cavs game where Giannis went mental was a great showcase for how good this team can be, but so far we haven't been able to sustain it.

 

So I take that response as a Yep?! Many blown 12-15pt leads leading to poor record. So they should have a better record.

 

To some bits above. Re-5. Monroe is clearly to slog-ish. Plumlee I dunno what value he brings. Id rid of him now and play Maker, regardless of being ready. The reps will accelerate his advancement. And with his shooting ability, help spread out the floor for Giannis to just Freak like only he can. Because if Maker's defender comes down to help on a Giannis drive, you know Giannis will kick it out to him wide open 3pt shot. I don't care his pct. In this developmental year. The more frequent he gets these attempts, the more confidence he'll gain down the line with continued encouragement. And if Maker's defender stays tight, Giannis will own the poor sap attempting to guard him. Giannis is nearing a point I think he could score 40 every game if he Kobe'd his shot attempts and wanted.

 

Yes, you're not wrong, they should have a better record. So no. Yes. Wait, I'm confused now...

 

The problem with giving Maker more quality minutes is that he still looks a little lost on defense so they would need to be strategic if they decide to increase his minutes. I agree about Plumlee though, definitely a wasted roster spot.

 

Big win last night against a quality Thunder team!

[iKezims]

I liked Brogdon right when they made the pick, and he's done nothing but deserve the minutes he's played. No idea how this guy slipped into the 2nd round. What a steal.

 

Age. He's 24. That extra five years in regards to a lot of kids in the first round is what did it. But thankfully for us he is just what we needed.

[FVBrewerFan]

Maker isn't ready on the defensive end of the floor. Pretty good message to send, in my opinion, no minutes until you're able to do what we need on defense.

[brewcrewdue80]

Maker isn't ready on the defensive end of the floor. Pretty good message to send, in my opinion, no minutes until you're able to do what we need on defense.

 

Not suggesting he become the starter. Just take over what minutes Plumlee would be getting. And the minutes from Monroe, when he's obviously too slow to defend. Looking at Plumlee's game log he's avg just 4.6min in a total of 7games played since start of December. So his benchworthy time has been pretty much addressed.

[DuWayne Steurer]

I liked Brogdon right when they made the pick, and he's done nothing but deserve the minutes he's played. No idea how this guy slipped into the 2nd round. What a steal.

 

Age. He's 24. That extra five years in regards to a lot of kids in the first round is what did it. But thankfully for us he is just what we needed.

 

I can see that argument, but at the same time, this kid (young man!) was obviously "ready" for the NBA. A lot of these guys at 19-20 need at least a few years of seasoning and coaching before they're completely ready to take on heavy NBA rotation minutes. Look at Giannis. He was completely lost on the offensive side of the floor for his first season. The Bucks were pretty much playing 4 on 5 on offense every time down.

 

Brogdon won't be a superstar, but he's a guy at 24 who is ready to step in and take 25 minutes a game right now, and can do everything for you (triple double!). It's not like he's "old".....he's 24.

 

Just find it interesting, that's all. I'm a fan of this guy already. I like his game and everything he brings to the table.