Milwaukee Bucks 2016 - 2017

[MKE81]

Giannis and MCW will be running point along with Delly. Where exactly does Ennis fit in? He sucks too. The offense needs to run through Giannis and Parker. Not Middleton then Giannis and Parker - this will be a blessing in disguise. You don't lose the 3pt shot either with Delly, Teletovic, Terry + Vaughn if he reaches his potential. Monroe needs to be traded before the season. He just doesn't fit at all on both ends.

[patrickgpe]

Ennis was the only true point on the roster. He had his moments last season when he got to play. Giannis is a point forward and MCW just isn't very good. Ennis was the only player that could feed the ball to the bucks scorers.

 

Personally I would have preferred to let Teletovic, Delly, and Vaughn share the load and keep Ennis, but we shall see.

[RockCoCougars]

The only plus that I saw with Ennis was his age. I never really saw anything to convince me that he has much of a future in the league. That said, Beasley is what he is at this point, tough to get excited about him coming in.. a volume scorer with no effort on D...can't believe that he's only 27 years old. We can only hope that he's matured enough as to not be a bad influence on the young guys a la Stephen Jackson.

[rwa12]

Beasley replacing Corey Maggette as my least favorite Buck. Don't like this trade. I know we need shooting to replace KM, but I'd rather have a 3 and D guy. The only thing interesting about this is that Kidd may actually kill him on the court at some point.

[patrickgpe]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17804426/milwaukee-bucks-chicago-bulls-agree-michael-carter-williams-tony-snell-trade

 

Does anyone else hate this move? I am no MCW fan and on the surface this move is OK because Snell can help fill in the lost of Middleton. what i question is why the heck did you trade ennis for Beasley already this offseason to make up for the loss of Middleton, thus having NO true point guards on the roster, and a bunch of 2's and 3's that are average NBA players.

 

is there another move?

is beasley not making the team?

 

who knows but something smells.

[MKE81]

Giannis is running point and he'll be getting a lot of minutes. Delly, Terry can run point too. Beasley will average 10+ppg and that was an excellent trade. MCW off the bench would have been very productive. Swapping Snell for him I don't understand as I think we could have got more. Snell is a good defender and a better shooter than MCW but I still don't get it

[RockCoCougars]

Glad Williams is gone as they gave him far too many opportunities in an attempt to justify the trade that brought him here. Addition by subtraction.

[rwa12]

I really don't think MCW had trade value. This was in line with my expectations for it. That being said, he was the leader of our second team and had value to the Bucks. I won't mourn him leaving, but I think they could have signed a 3&D guy in free agency. Puzzling move, hope Tony works out!

[fondybrewfan]

I get the MCW trade; it makes sense to me. That being said I am not optimistic about this year. I don't think we have solved our shooting problems especially that Middleton is basically out for the year. Plus you still have the issue with Monroe limiting the style of play they want.

 

They will be better than last year but unless BOTH Parker and Giannis turn in All Star caliber years I think the playoffs are going to be tough.

[tmwiese55]

MCW trade makes perfect sense and I view it as basically fair, maybe they could toss us a 2nd rounder but really it's close enough. There was clearly no market for MCW and we needed a wing who can shoot much more than we needed MCW. And Snell could actually be a guy who sticks here for a while as a backup wing after Middleton is back. They were lacking at that spot anyway, and he hopefully realizes he's just a backup without unrealistic salary expectations when that time comes.

 

Yes, the Beasley trade is the one that's unbalancing the roster at this point. But with Giannis handling PG for 30 minutes per game you should be fine at PG with Delly and Bogdon to take the remaining 18 mins. Supposedly that trade was in the works before the Middleton injury, maybe they had already agreed and didn't want to go back on their word but this would certainly be an extenuating circumstance where Houston should've understood.

[MKE81]

The only thing Snell does better than MCW is shoot 3s. So if we just wanted to improve from that position while getting rid of MCW then we succeeded. MCW overall is a much better player than Snell though. Giannis already is an all-star caliber player and in the second half when he ran point he put up all-around insane numbers from that spot. Parker needs to take that next step this year, especially with Middleton out and it shouldn't be an issue doing so considering he averaged 19/6 in the second half when he was able to take more shots. I actually believe the Bucks need to make Middleton their #3 option when he's back and focus on spot up 3s/shots letting Giannis and Parker do their thing first while getting him open looks so he's not forcing. Snell/Delly/Teletovic will get a lot of 3pt opportunities so we have shooters from deep (plus Terry - and Novak is he's ever activated) while Giannis/Parker will be highly efficient from 2. Beasley will be highly efficient as well per usual (instant offense and rebounding). Plumlee/Henson just need to alter shots and rebound. Monroe should only be played as a matchup advantage otherwise let him rot on the bench as he'll walk after the season anyway assuming he's not traded at some point. This team can make the playoffs without Middleton.

[Boomer5]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17804426/milwaukee-bucks-chicago-bulls-agree-michael-carter-williams-tony-snell-trade

 

Does anyone else hate this move? I am no MCW fan and on the surface this move is OK because Snell can help fill in the lost of Middleton. what i question is why the heck did you trade ennis for Beasley already this offseason to make up for the loss of Middleton, thus having NO true point guards on the roster, and a bunch of 2's and 3's that are average NBA players.

 

is there another move?

is beasley not making the team?

 

who knows but something smells.

 

All my teams are just run by stupid people from the top down. Tony Snell? Why?

 

We could have had a lottery pick for MCW but Kidd wanted him. We sign Monroe. Both guys play like MCW and Monroe with no surprises, then we dump them for pennies on the dollar.

 

Hopefully we can complete the Braun for Puig plus a bad contract and the year will be complete. Yeah!!!!

[fondybrewfan]

Don't forget trading picks for Grevis Vasquez for no good reason. Hammond is a pretty solid drafter but looks to be pretty terrible with FA and trades.

[patrickgpe]

Don't forget trading picks for Grevis Vasquez for no good reason. Hammond is a pretty solid drafter but looks to be pretty terrible with FA and trades.

i really don't think Hammond has much to do with trades / FA's. I get the sense that Kidd is making personal moves or atleast has a huge say in them.

[yoshii8]

The only thing Snell does better than MCW is shoot 3s.

 

I think the fact that he is a lot better 3 pt shooter, and doesn't need to have the ball in his hands all of the time, makes him a much better fit than MCW. I had high hopes for MCW, but he was as frustrating to watch as anyone on the Bucks the last few years. He made a lot of unforced turnovers.

[Bombers]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17804426/milwaukee-bucks-chicago-bulls-agree-michael-carter-williams-tony-snell-trade

 

Does anyone else hate this move? I am no MCW fan and on the surface this move is OK because Snell can help fill in the lost of Middleton. what i question is why the heck did you trade ennis for Beasley already this offseason to make up for the loss of Middleton, thus having NO true point guards on the roster, and a bunch of 2's and 3's that are average NBA players.

 

is there another move?

is beasley not making the team?

 

who knows but something smells.

 

All my teams are just run by stupid people from the top down. Tony Snell? Why?

 

We could have had a lottery pick for MCW but Kidd wanted him. We sign Monroe. Both guys play like MCW and Monroe with no surprises, then we dump them for pennies on the dollar.

 

Hopefully we can complete the Braun for Puig plus a bad contract and the year will be complete. Yeah!!!!

 

I am all for Giannis playing the point. And if trading MCW allows him to do that more often (which obviously it does as what else can MCW do - he doesn't shoot well) then I am all for it. The MCW experiment failed, but at that time it was unknown where Giannis was going to end up. I am really looking forward to Giannis and Parker playing the 2 largest roles on the team. Lets see if those two are the players we need them to be.

[Boomer5]

Don't forget trading picks for Grevis Vasquez for no good reason. Hammond is a pretty solid drafter but looks to be pretty terrible with FA and trades.

 

Thats a great point. We seem to be one of the very few rebuilding teams that almost never picks up draft picks in our trades. Instead, we trade first round picks for journeymen guys who don't matter.

 

It really is amazing. Who in the world thinks Tony Snell is a useful player? Might as well hope for a good 20 game run from MCW then trade him for a 1 down the road.

 

Tony Snell?

[Boomer5]

"I am all for Giannis playing the point. And if trading MCW allows him to do that more often (which obviously it does as what else can MCW do - he doesn't shoot well) then I am all for it. The MCW experiment failed, but at that time it was unknown where Giannis was going to end up. I am really looking forward to Giannis and Parker playing the 2 largest roles on the team. Lets see if those two are the players we need them to be."

 

I am all for putting Giannis at the point, and building around him and Parker of course. But we were going to do that anyhow, regardless of who we traded away or kept. MCW and Monroe played exactly as advertised, so we want to dump them for 25 cents on the dollar?

 

We are still a team that has zero idea how to make trades or use FA. We are a team that should always be trading for draft picks, not guys like Snell.

[rwa12]

Neither MCW or Monroe is worth a dollar in the trade market. Teams have moved away from the big sluggish Centers. He may sign a contract somewhere as a free agent, but no one wants to give up anything for him. If they did, he would be gone. MCW is a dime a dozen. If he wasn't rookie of the year, he would be just another draft bust.

 

I agree that we've had more success drafting than trading, Milwaukee isn't exactly a desired location, I don't think marquee free agents will come unless we win. In trading you have to give to get, and we don't have much to give of value.

[tmwiese55]

Snell is nothing to get worked up about guys. MCW has no trade value, you can't say he sucks out of one side of your mouth and then expect a good return out of the other. The team has no SG/SF wings on the roster, at all. Their wings are all 3/4 mixes. They just needed a body for depth and they at least found one who can shoot. We also had no backup at that position before Middleton went down. He's also a type that you should be able to lock up as a backup and be here for several years, as long as he doesn't have some stupid contract hopes. Look around the league, there are countless guys that start to figure it out right at this point of their career and then become useful rotation pieces. It would be nice to find one of those guys on the cheap before they blow up rather than after when they get paid a ridiculous contract. Not saying it'll happen with Snell, but it could. He has the tools to be a 3 & D wing if he can get his head right.

 

So, you traded a guy you'd have for one year and really don't even want to play (Giannis will take 30ish out of 48 mins at his position) for a guy at a position where we have literally nobody and could possibly be here for several years. And we're still complaining? There's tons of Bucks moves to complain about over the years but this isn't one of them.

[patrickgpe]

Snell is nothing to get worked up about guys

 

if Delly can slip in as the backup 1 and the jet can help out, i think its OK. my working up was only due to the fact that there were no other point guards on the roster after trading Ennis and MCW. to me delly and terry were always short 2s, but maybe I'm wrong.Delly does have 6 apg in the preseason, so this may just work out afterall.

 

Beasley will help get some of the ppg that they lost when they lost middleton, but i did like Ennis as a backup point, since he is a true point and Giannis isn't. was much more upset about that trade then this one. i would have made only 1 of these 2.

[FVBrewerFan]

I'll be the lone wolf, and say they gave up on MCW too early. He's still very young, and yes, he may never be able to shoot. But he has shown the ability to get to the rack and finish, or get fouled. Stretches in games where your PG is blocking shots, bringing down a lot of rebounds, and playing tough defense when he wants to.

 

Look, there's a reason the Bulls traded for him. MCW was arguably the best player for the Bucks in the playoff series vs the Bulls. I get it, he makes too many bone-headed players and is very frustrating to watch. But there's still a chance he can get better.

 

Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but isn't this somewhat an indictment of Kidd? They obviously feel MCW isn't worth trying to coach anymore, when by all accounts Kidd wanted him.

[patrickgpe]

Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but isn't this somewhat an indictment of Kidd? They obviously feel MCW isn't worth trying to coach anymore, when by all accounts Kidd wanted him.

 

Yes, they traded knight, because this was the pg Kidd wanted, He was going to groom him into an elite pg just like they signed Monroe, because thats who Kidd wanted, and both were disasters who couldn't get into the rotation.

[Boomer5]

Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but isn't this somewhat an indictment of Kidd? They obviously feel MCW isn't worth trying to coach anymore, when by all accounts Kidd wanted him.

 

Yes, they traded knight, because this was the pg Kidd wanted, He was going to groom him into an elite pg just like they signed Monroe, because thats who Kidd wanted, and both were disasters who couldn't get into the rotation.

 

Thats the issue. We agree that right now Monroe and MCW dont have a lot of value, though certainly more than Snell, who is worthless.

 

The issue is we picked up those guys instead of the alternative, like a lottery pick, because Kidd thought they were better than they were. Then both guys go out and play exactly as advertised and we conduct a fire sale the next year. That is just a bad team doing bad things.

[tmwiese55]

Yea the mistake was taking MCW over the pick. That's in the past though. This trade is the best they could do right now. I agree with the person who mentioned the Ennis trade, I think that's a worse trade than this one. Not sure why they thought they needed another 4/3 mixed player when they already have Giannis, Jabari, Telly, Thon, Novak along with 3 Cs at like 55 mil per year. That's 9 guys now at the big positions in a time when the league is going small. And we all knew an MCW trade was likely so Ennis was a good depth guy.

 

For the fear of no PG backups now. With Giannis taking 30ish minutes of that time I'm sure they figure Delly as the backup lead ballhandler for the other 18 mins. With no Ennis though you do get weak if there is another injury though. But as long as Giannis is healthy it really shouldn't be a problem.