Milwaukee Bucks 2016 - 2017

[superfly]

WHY would they even take this meeting, he is a cancer to a young team.

 

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/07/bucks-meeting-with-derrick-rose.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

 

Can I issue a correction? *New York* is a cancer to players.

 

Unless its to shed Monroe or Teletovic's salary I don't see a point to sign and trade but then again Matthew Delavadova is also another waste of money, so at the 8-10 million please give me Rose over Delly's 9.5 million. Brogdon is good but I'd prefer him be the super sub 6th man to play 30ish mins and run the troops aka a rich man's Shaun Livingston.

 

I'd think they view Rose as an upside play who will have trade value if he stays healthy and keeps his mouth shut. This team could use a penetrator who can kick to Mids/Thon/Snell and score or get to the line if the lane is open.

[Boomer5]

WHY would they even take this meeting, he is a cancer to a young team.

 

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/07/bucks-meeting-with-derrick-rose.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

 

Can I issue a correction? *New York* is a cancer to players.

 

Unless its to shed Monroe or Teletovic's salary I don't see a point to sign and trade but then again Matthew Delavadova is also another waste of money, so at the 8-10 million please give me Rose over Delly's 9.5 million. Brogdon is good but I'd prefer him be the super sub 6th man to play 30ish mins and run the troops aka a rich man's Shaun Livingston.

 

I'd think they view Rose as an upside play who will have trade value if he stays healthy and keeps his mouth shut. This team could use a penetrator who can kick to Mids/Thon/Snell and score or get to the line if the lane is open.

 

If that's the case, then our dimwit owners should just give him the MLE and pay the luxury tax. What Woj was saying is that we are looking to spend 1st round picks to shed our bad contracts to sign Rose. The Bucks should never be trading picks unless it's to being in a young All Star.

[trwi7]

Derrick Rose is a terrible basketball player.

[FVBrewerFan]

Could be wrong, hope I'm wrong, but I get the sense the Owners like chasing big names. Do they fit? Are they even good anymore? Doesnt matter. Seems Rose is just the latest example. Much like when Mark A first bought the Brewers. Unfortunately, judging from who the Bucks hired as GM I fear decisions are still being made by like 17 different people.

[tmwiese55]

The Snell situation is a little different than Henson/Plumlee. they basically got him at the minimum they'd be able to get him at, a healthy player with his skillset was getting signed to at least that in RFA. Letting him sign one elsewhere first could've led to a team giving him a Crabbe type contract and put trade kickers in it and other stipulations that hurt. the Nets basically effed multiple teams the last few years by signing them to huge offer sheets just to force the teams to match, Bucks avoided that here. Now the Wiz are paying Otto Porter 27 mil per year.

 

I want nothing to do with Rose unless it's a cheap 1-2 year deal, definitely under 10 mil per year and preferably 7-8. Still don't really want him but I can accept him on something like that. If they do a sign/trade with someone like Henson and give him 4/70-80 mil I might be done. If they sign and trade and basically just give Henson's money to him instead then so be it, there's no way he's worse than Henson.

[rwa12]

Rose is done. His speed, which gave him his edge, is gone. Signing him would be tragic. He would move us backwards multiple steps.

[tmwiese55]

Rose is done. His speed, which gave him his edge, is gone. Signing him would be tragic. He would move us backwards multiple steps.

 

I agree overall. But look at this way, Henson at roughly 3/30 or Rose at the same, or even only a two year deal instead. I for sure would go Rose, and I hate Rose. Henson can't even get on the floor. If we give some ridiculous 4 year deal though for 15+ mil it's a huge mistake.

[nate82]

With Hayward signing with the Celtics they have to get rid of some salary. I wonder what it would take to get Smart from them.

[tmwiese55]

Smart's lack of shooting makes him a tough fit here with Giannis. And with him still being a rookie contract it probably doesn't save them too much money, but I didn't look. I'd actually think Bradley makes more sense here, it saves them more money. He's a FA after this year too so they're probably ok to move him. Problem of course is we'd probably let him go too, but if somehow we could get him for nothing I'd do it, it would make this year better. Plus with teams all capped out now maybe they could resign him at a reasonable price next offseason.

[rwa12]

Rose is done. His speed, which gave him his edge, is gone. Signing him would be tragic. He would move us backwards multiple steps.

 

I agree overall. But look at this way, Henson at roughly 3/30 or Rose at the same, or even only a two year deal instead. I for sure would go Rose, and I hate Rose. Henson can't even get on the floor. If we give some ridiculous 4 year deal though for 15+ mil it's a huge mistake.

 

I can live with sunk cost. Henson is an absolute waste of money, but outside of consuming resources, he doesn't typically detract from the team. They would be signing Rose to play him. If the Bucks wanted a ball dominant player who can't shoot, they could have kept MCW, or Brandon Knight. Really all they need from the PG position is defense, and the ability to hit open 3s. Rose made his money driving the lane, and his license has expired. I could live with bringing nothing to the table, but he takes a lot off. He would instantly replace Corey Maggette as my least favorite Buck. Although, this would be quite the testament to Hammond...even if you're gone, we'll still make terrible free agent signings in your honor...

[trwi7]

The Snell situation is a little different than Henson/Plumlee. they basically got him at the minimum they'd be able to get him at, a healthy player with his skillset was getting signed to at least that in RFA.

 

Ben McLemore has the same skill set, was unrestricted and was signed for two less years and $32 million less.

[nate82]

Smart's lack of shooting makes him a tough fit here with Giannis. And with him still being a rookie contract it probably doesn't save them too much money, but I didn't look. I'd actually think Bradley makes more sense here, it saves them more money. He's a FA after this year too so they're probably ok to move him. Problem of course is we'd probably let him go too, but if somehow we could get him for nothing I'd do it, it would make this year better. Plus with teams all capped out now maybe they could resign him at a reasonable price next offseason.

 

I was thinking more of a 2nd PG when Giannis is not on the court. Brogdon is a better fit with Giannis. If it was Rose or Smart I would prefer Smart.

[Boomer5]

Because of Hambone and his cap guru, we are way over the cap. So picking up guys like Smart with a draft pick attached isn't possible. Absurd planning.

 

I'm really not a fan of Hinkie and the jury is very much out on what the Sixers really have, but you have to admire his foresight. We have none and quite frankly only got lucky Giannis lasted until the 15th pick.

 

Our best bet is to roll with what we have and hope that some of our expensive 3 in Delly, Telly, and Henson play well as role players and Parker comes back strong after the AS break. Maybe Thon makes the leap to the next level or Wilson is a strong rotation guy.

 

Snell for $44M. For goodness sake.

[superfly]

Too bad we can't get Crowder off the C's. He's a poor man Jimmy Butler in my eyes.

[Boomer5]

Too bad we can't get Crowder off the C's. He's a poor man Jimmy Butler in my eyes.

 

Offer them Hawes and maybe we can.

[lcbj68c]

I live in Salt Lake City. Jazz fans are just insufferable today. I think at least 3 co-workers are on suicide watch. I am so looking forward to this coming season.

[Boomer5]

I live in Salt Lake City. Jazz fans are just insufferable today. I think at least 3 co-workers are on suicide watch. I am so looking forward to this coming season.

 

The NBA is in such bad shape these days. I feel bad for those fans.

 

Giannis will do the thing to us if our owners don't figure out how to run a basketball program too. You can't add that second star if you are giving $44M to Tony Snell and last year's disastrous FA when you know teams are begging for cap space to dump good players and giving us draft pics to take them on. Everyone in the league knew teams would be begging for cap space to set themselves up for 2018 and we filled it up with junk.

[tmwiese55]

The Snell situation is a little different than Henson/Plumlee. they basically got him at the minimum they'd be able to get him at, a healthy player with his skillset was getting signed to at least that in RFA.

 

Ben McLemore has the same skill set, was unrestricted and was signed for two less years and $32 million less.

 

Of course there was some options out there. He would be one, but Mclemore has not been good in his career and is 3 inches shorter than Snell for D purposes. I liked him as a buy low guy and hope was to get him out of Sacto and see how he improves. Jodie Meeks would've been a cheap option too. But to think Snell after leading the NBA in 3 pt shooting from January on in the upper 40s wasn't going to get at least a 10ish mil offer is what I was talking about. For every McLemore you can find, I can find another guy like Roberson who just got 10mil per. I for sure can see an argument to save money and go for cheap guys and hope for the best, just like we did with Snell last year. My point was that Snell was going to get that offer or better from somewhere else so it was better to just wrap him at 11 than to risk the Nets giving him 16 and matching. I see an argument that it would've been better to let go and roll the dice cheap instead, but that's not what I was talking about here. Plumlee was laughable from the minute it was signed and no one else had cap space at the time to sign him. Henson was at least debateable at the time but I didn't see the rush to sign him before his last year even started, at least play out the year for more info.

 

And you always have to factor in that it's much harder to get people to sign in MKE than elsewhere, so it's not easy to say "joe schmo just go this much, we could've done that" Well, would he really want to play here unless we offered at least a bit more than what he got elsewhere?

[Humans Need Water]

I have no issue with the Snell signing. He's not preventing the Bucks from moving forward. He fits the scheme well, is one of our better shooters and defenders. While Monroe is great in his 6th man role his 18M is clearly a lot and he doesn't fit what this team wants to do moving forward (nor the NBA game). Add Henson/Mizra (21M between them) and that's 39M right there that needs to come off by 2018 so move those guys somehow. Delly is a contributor. Guys like him and Snell are getting 10-15M EASY in today's league.

 

And Ben McLemore sucks

[FVBrewerFan]

I live in Salt Lake City. Jazz fans are just insufferable today. I think at least 3 co-workers are on suicide watch. I am so looking forward to this coming season.

 

The NBA is in such bad shape these days. I feel bad for those fans.

 

Giannis will do the thing to us if our owners don't figure out how to run a basketball program too. You can't add that second star if you are giving $44M to Tony Snell and last year's disastrous FA when you know teams are begging for cap space to dump good players and giving us draft pics to take them on. Everyone in the league knew teams would be begging for cap space to set themselves up for 2018 and we filled it up with junk.

 

Curious what you mean by that? By all measures, the NBA has never been stronger. If you're talking about teams losing their best player(s), that's on them. The way NBA contracts work, the current team has every advantage in signing their stars long term.

[patrickgpe]

i would assume that he is referring to the arms race between 4 teams in the NBA that has effectively eliminated all teams but the cavs, rockets, warriors, and celtics from going to the finals this season. there was already an artical on espn today about teams plotting on luring Giannis 3 years from now. Plus while TV ratings were good for the finals, this was the worst NBA playoffs in recent memory.

[FVBrewerFan]

Well, Celtics did it mostly by making good decisions. It's not like they brought in a LeBron. Any many other teams tried to do the same thing and failed. Knicks, Bulls, Clippers, Hawks, etc.

 

Same thing is true in MLB and NFL, each year there are really only a few main contenders. It's up to each team to make good decisions, keep their star players, attract others, etc.

[GAME05]

I guess I don't see the Bucks' ownership group as such a mess as others do. Every owner meddles, but at least with our group if we end up with a Herb Kohl governor-owner, at least we get a new perspective after five years.

 

The only issue I have with the current NBA situation is that I wish the salary cap were a little more firm. When you keep winning titles like the Warriors are going to do, it isn't too hard to pay a lot of luxury tax to sign good players. But isn't that the natural benefit of being a great team, that great players want to come and be a part of it?

 

My biggest fear is that Giannis will want to go play somewhere else when his contract is up, but I suppose that's the fear of just about every team and their best player.

[patrickgpe]

I guess I don't see the Bucks' ownership group as such a mess as others do. Every owner meddles, but at least with our group if we end up with a Herb Kohl governor-owner, at least we get a new perspective after five years.

 

yes every owner meddles, the issue is that there are 3 of them and they are not agreeing. i think its fine for a owner to bring in the GM he wants. the issue is that 2 owners wanted Zanik, Edens didn't and (most likely) used his governorship to block the move. This is were its different between the brewers and bucks. If Sterns wants to make a move, he calls Mark A and gets yes or no. If Horst wants to make a move, he basically needs to get 3 owners to agree in short order.

[Baldkin]

I guess I don't see the Bucks' ownership group as such a mess as others do. Every owner meddles, but at least with our group if we end up with a Herb Kohl governor-owner, at least we get a new perspective after five years.

 

They haven't done anything right on the basketball side, haven't made any difference making moves, since taking over the team.

 

They all might meddle, but the Bucks owners clearly are not good at it at all.