Milwaukee Bucks 2016 - 2017

[GAME05]

Couldn't feel worse for someone of such character.

 

Now I wonder if next year will be another one of those 'tank for the draft pick' years. This team isn't going to go forward without another star, and not everyone can be an expensive free agent. Inadvertently we've built another Herb Kohl team good enough to limp into an 8 Seed but not bad enough to get a top draft pick.

[FVBrewerFan]

Seems like a great guy, heart goes out to him. Maker better play 30+ minutes a game now.

[davego]

I'm having Nick Neugebauer flashbacks. This just stinks...poor kid.

[superfly]

Another day, another hideous performance. And no, after giving up 50 freakin points in the first quarter they get no credit from me for coming back. Inexcusable behavior.

 

Something is going on behind the scenes...one has to wonder if Kidd has lost them. It's that bad.

[brewcrewdue80]

Well they did lose their #2 player the game before. Thats a lot of mins being redistributed among your #3 and worse.

[Baldkin]

Well they did lose their #2 player the game before. Thats a lot of mins being redistributed among your #3 and worse.

 

Jabari has been their 4th best player this season. 3rd, maybe.

Giannis and Monroe have clearly been #1 and #2.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Well they did lose their #2 player the game before. Thats a lot of mins being redistributed among your #3 and worse.

 

 

Jabari is their #2 scoring option, and a decent rebounder. Defense isn't his forte. Giving up 47 points in a quarter is a team issue, regardless of who's out there. The team defense has been ugly for a while, and indicative of a larger problem overall.

[brewcrewdue80]

Sorry, #2 scoring, #2 mins played. So #2player. Over 30mins per game to replace. Which includes Starts. To be ready by the next game with who started, the rotations and minutes now being relied on. Easy to understand being shell shocked in.

Nice to see a win vs. The Pacers.

[homer]

The Thon - Maker's mark and seven up

[GAME05]

What saddens me about it all is that to replace Parker you pretty much need a top-tier draft pick, and that doesn't come without a terrible season.

[FVBrewerFan]

I don't want to minimize the loss of Parker, but let's not overstate it either. It really hurts for this season, suddenly having to replace 20 points a game.

 

Long term, it just MAY work to the Bucks advantage. Very soon, they would have been forced to offer a max contract that he probably didn't deserve, or lose him and get nothing in return.

 

Now, when he returns again they can sign him to a very team friendly contract. Also, takes the pressure off, he can be the 4th best player instead of trying to make him the 2nd best player on a really good team. That's really a stretch for Parker, given he'll never be a good defender much less a great defender.

 

He can score, and that's a nice commodity to have. But they would have had a really tough decision to make on him. Now they can take a step back and figure out the best way to build a team around Giannis. I only wish I was confident they had the right people in place to make those decisions.

[rwa12]

I think people are overstating his deficiencies. On the BS podcast last week, Durant said that GA/JP are the scariest young combo, and the team everyone should be afraid of going forward. I think Jabari is a great secondary piece. That being said, in this deep of a draft, I'll take a lottery pick. Can only help the team.

[Boomer5]

A line up of GA at the hybrid point and some guys who can shoot and some guys who can play D and rebound would be frightening.

[Baldkin]

I think people are overstating his deficiencies. On the BS podcast last week, Durant said that GA/JP are the scariest young combo, and the team everyone should be afraid of going forward. I think Jabari is a great secondary piece. That being said, in this deep of a draft, I'll take a lottery pick. Can only help the team.

 

I've watched every game but two this year, and his deficiencies are not being overstated. He can score, but he cannot do ANYTHING on defense, he consistently completely loses his man ball watching, gets stuck in no-mans-land (not helping and not guarding anyone) and he doesn't box out or rebound at all.

 

http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612749/players-advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=1

 

http://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/#!?CF=MIN*G*200&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612749&GroupQuantity=3&sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1

 

http://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/#!?CF=MIN*G*100&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612749&GroupQuantity=4&sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1

 

For 3 man lineups, 200 minutes minimum, he's on 10 of the 16 lineups who've performed negatively, 0 of the top 12 who've performed positively.

For 4 man lineups, 100 minutes minimum, he's on 12 of the 13 lineups who've performed negatively, 2 of the top 10 who've performed positively.

[danzig6767]

I think people are overstating his deficiencies. On the BS podcast last week, Durant said that GA/JP are the scariest young combo, and the team everyone should be afraid of going forward. I think Jabari is a great secondary piece. That being said, in this deep of a draft, I'll take a lottery pick. Can only help the team.

Jabari is super skilled offensively, but really is also horrible defensively, not just kinda bad. It's not overstating to say that.

 

The stats bear this out and many times i'd focus closely on him during games defensively and he really is clueless on that side of the ball. It's not so much him trying say to stay in front of a guy with the ball, but instead his god awful off ball awareness and when in pick and roll situations.

 

It's the same reason Coach K at Duke would sometimes pull Parker out of close games even though he was such a great offensive player. His defense would be so bad that Krzyzewski just couldn't trust having him out there. FWIW, I don't think Jabari a lazy defender like Big Dog was, he simply can't seem to grasp what he should be doing in the team concepts of defensive play and it's hard to see how that gets better. It's somewhat akin to a hitter with a history of terrible plate discipline or bad instincts on the bases. Those guys rarely improve much on that. It's ingrained in them.

[danzig6767]

I think people are overstating his deficiencies. On the BS podcast last week, Durant said that GA/JP are the scariest young combo, and the team everyone should be afraid of going forward. I think Jabari is a great secondary piece. That being said, in this deep of a draft, I'll take a lottery pick. Can only help the team.

 

I've watched every game but two this year, and his deficiencies are not being overstated. He can score, but he cannot do ANYTHING on defense, he consistently completely loses his man ball watching, gets stuck in no-mans-land (not helping and not guarding anyone).

Yea, there were games where i'd focus close on Parker defensively and often be at a total loss to figure out what he's thinking in regards to his off ball defense.

 

Just as you say, he consistently seems to float around in no mans land especially on the weak side where he leaves his man to half help on penetration, but ends up not really providing help, at the same time he's to far off his man where a pass gets kicked to that guy for say a wide open three. Or he gets caught staring at the ball and loses his man for easy buckets. His on ball defense is tolerable, but other than that, it's a trainwreck which i struggle to see getting better.

 

Mix in a second ACL injury, if his offense takes a dip because some of his incredible explosion for his size goes a way, Jabari can't be given a big extension for the good of the team.

[FVBrewerFan]

Let's not pretend he's a good on the ball defender either. I agree, he's at his worst off the ball, but he can't stay in front of someone in open space, and doesn't play good defense in the post either.

 

But like I said, that's all fine if he's not your #2 option. In fact, I could see him being a real stud off the bench as the 6th man. You don't need great defense, just scoring. Seems like a perfect long term role for him.

[danzig6767]

Let's not pretend he's a good on the ball defender either. I agree, he's at his worst off the ball, but he can't stay in front of someone in open space, and doesn't play good defense in the post either.

 

But like I said, that's all fine if he's not your #2 option. In fact, I could see him being a real stud off the bench as the 6th man. You don't need great defense, just scoring. Seems like a perfect long term role for him.

I highly doubt that he views himself that way, even if maybe it would be the best role for him.

 

So much rides on how he recovers from a second torn ACL in the same knee. That basically ended Michael Redd's effectiveness and a huge part of what makes Parker a great talent on offense is his explosiveness for a guy his size.

[superfly]

Let's not pretend he's a good on the ball defender either. I agree, he's at his worst off the ball, but he can't stay in front of someone in open space, and doesn't play good defense in the post either.

 

But like I said, that's all fine if he's not your #2 option. In fact, I could see him being a real stud off the bench as the 6th man. You don't need great defense, just scoring. Seems like a perfect long term role for him.

I highly doubt that he views himself that way, even if maybe it would be the best role for him.

 

So much rides on how he recovers from a second torn ACL in the same knee. That basically ended Michael Redd's effectiveness and a huge part of what makes Parker a great talent on offense is his explosiveness for a guy his size.

 

With all due respect Michael Redd was almost a decade ago on the first knee, and quite awhile ago yet on the second time. We've seen some significant medical advances recently, look at these guys coming back in a year or less rather than 1.5-2 years. I'm not the biggest Jabari fan, would have rather found a way to get Wiggins, but I'm not ready to throw in the towel here yet on him.

[Boomer5]

The team cant even tank properly. 4 point win over the Nets.

 

I have a bad feeling about Parker. Yes, medical has come a long way, but two serious ACL's on the same knee? That cant possibly be good.

 

Monroe is playing his way into a 2017 First Round pick in a loaded draft. We need to snag that, ASAP if offered.

 

On the other hand, I can see us giving Snell and Beas big extensions, and trading for Brook Lopez too, to try and land that coveted 8th seed.

[FVBrewerFan]

On the other hand, I can see us giving Snell and Beas big extensions, and trading for Brook Lopez too, to try and land that coveted 8th seed.

 

Those are the kind of moves that put them where they are now. Snell and Beas aren't going to get huge offers from anyone, and if they do- goodbye. You just can't invest much cap space in role players. Cap space needs to be preserved for 3 big contracts, and you better get those right.

[rwa12]

I think Parker is going to have to change his game after this injury, not sure he'll ever have the value he had. I know he's terrible at defense, but a lot of scorers are. Many obviously disagree with me on his worth. I think if we have a rim protector, his defense is irrelevant. At this point, it really doesn't matter. There is no precedent with a player like him and 2 ACL surgeries. I will expect the worst. Tank or not, they should be in the lottery, and there is a lot of talent in the back end.

[Boomer5]

On the other hand, I can see us giving Snell and Beas big extensions, and trading for Brook Lopez too, to try and land that coveted 8th seed.

 

Those are the kind of moves that put them where they are now. Snell and Beas aren't going to get huge offers from anyone, and if they do- goodbye. You just can't invest much cap space in role players. Cap space needs to be preserved for 3 big contracts, and you better get those right.

 

I was being somewhat sarcastic, but after the last offseason, you never know. Snell has been a good role playing shooter, and Beasley may have found his stride after playing in China and harnessing his one time 2nd pick in the draft status. So, I can really see the Bucks trying to bring them back and if they handed Plumlee $54M who knows what the will give out to anyone with a pulse?

 

We will know with Monroe. If they keep him past the deadline, they are going for the 8th seed and will likely trying and bring in these mid vets to build around Giannis/Khris/Thon/Parker (?).

[danzig6767]

On the other hand, I can see us giving Snell and Beas big extensions, and trading for Brook Lopez too, to try and land that coveted 8th seed.

Those are the kind of moves that put them where they are now. Snell and Beas aren't going to get huge offers from anyone, and if they do- goodbye. You just can't invest much cap space in role players. Cap space needs to be preserved for 3 big contracts, and you better get those right.

I'd actually be ok with resigning Beasely and Snell as solid role players going forward had the team not already wasted so much cap space on Delladova, Teletović, and Henson especially. They are just so lucky that the Hornets bailed them out by trading for Plumlee and his horrific contract.

 

Hammond is such a frustrating GM. Overall i think he's done a good job when it comes to identifying talent in the draft, but when it has come to deciding which role player types are deserving of multi-year deals be it guys already on the team or in free agency, he's mostly been awful.

[superfly]

Giving Beasley "something" is smarter than giving Plumlee or Teletovic big money. Sure Beasley may well flop but you at least know the talent is in there somewhere if he chooses to use it...the latter two were big white stiffs, one can shoot a 3.