Milwaukee Bucks 2016 - 2017

[FVBrewerFan]

Problem is, Maker is not a 5. He's a wing player, like Giannis in a lot of ways. Yea, Monroe is slow but most nights he can score some, bang with big centers, etc. Maker would get eaten alive by centers. Who knows, he could maybe be a stretch 5 down the road. Just no way in the world is he ready to play defense in the post in the NBA. If anything, he could be getting Jet's minutes, but that's not going to happen any time soon either.

[CheezWizHed]

Make is a wing player right now because he lacks NBA strength. I would expect him to put on 15-20 lbs of muscle over the next couple years (he is only 19 after all) and play 4 and 5 positions. If he can handle center defensively, I think that would be exactly what the Bucks want. A center that doesn't need to be 5 feet from the basket (clogging the middle of the offense) and still be a threat. A center than can run with an offensive fast break. And a center that can switch on defense on picks.

[nate82]

Make is a wing player right now because he lacks NBA strength. I would expect him to put on 15-20 lbs of muscle over the next couple years (he is only 19 after all) and play 4 and 5 positions. If he can handle center defensively, I think that would be exactly what the Bucks want. A center that doesn't need to be 5 feet from the basket (clogging the middle of the offense) and still be a threat. A center than can run with an offensive fast break. And a center that can switch on defense on picks.

 

Sort of like Kevin Garnett? I think that would be the closest comp I can think of for Maker. Not saying he will become Garnett but that is who he reminds me of in terms of size and athleticism.

[FVBrewerFan]

No, Garnett didn't have handles and a 3point ball like Maker. Two totally different players. I still see him more as a Giannis/ Durant type of player. Not that I expect him to be that good, just that type of player. IF they insist on making him a post player though, there's upside too. Talk about a big man who can run the court! Plus his shooting, ball handling. Very unique player. You may be able to convince me to make him a stretch 4, but not a 5.

[nate82]

No, Garnett didn't have handles and a 3point ball like Maker. Two totally different players.

While the 3 point shot is not the same but the ball handling skills Garnett was rather good at that. If Maker is to stay the same weight he is now Garnett is someone who he would be more like than Durant.

 

Actually Maker compares himself to Garnett and Garnett has been working with him and the Bucks this year. I don't think Maker will be as good as either Durant or Garnett but to me Maker is more Garnett than Durant.

[Baldkin]

I love Houston's (Darryl Morey's) rule. No same-race comparisons of players.

 

So, clearly Thon is Larry Bird.

[nate82]

I love Houston's (Darryl Morey's) rule. No same-race comparisons of players.

 

So, clearly Thon is Larry Bird.

 

If that is the case then he is clearly Jackie Moon.

[CheezWizHed]

IF they insist on making him a post player though, there's upside too. Talk about a big man who can run the court! Plus his shooting, ball handling. Very unique player. You may be able to convince me to make him a stretch 4, but not a 5.

 

You do realize that being a 5 and being a post-player are not necessarily the same things, right? No one has said that he need to be a post-up player.

 

Maker could easily grow to the 240-250lb range that would allow him the bulk to manage defending the opposing center.

 

IF he can handle the defensive side of the Center position, imagine a lineup of Giannis, Middleton, Parker, Maker and Dellavedova (or whomever) where no one is clogging the middle offensively (hello Anthony Mason), thus allowing for plenty of room to drive to the hoop. Or driving and kicking it out to any of the other 4 players that have 3pt range.

 

When you have a player that breaks the traditional molds, it doesn't mean you have to force him back into that mold (i.e. a center being a post-up player).

[GAME05]

The game's still going but a minute left, Bucks down by 3. Giannis brings the ball up to the top of the 3-point line. He's given at least six feet with no defenders racing toward him. I wish he would have taken the shot.

 

edit: We have Giannis and you don't. We win.

[FVBrewerFan]

That's not a shot he's confident in yet, certainly not at the end of a game. Catch and shoot are the 3s he makes. Instead, he prefers to step back 5 feet in one step and drain a fade away jumper to win games!

 

But don't worry, matter of time before he can hit 3s on his own, or anything else at all he wants to do on the basketball court.

[jjgott]

Giannis is approaching 2008 Braun-ian levels of man crush.

[homer]

Giannis is approaching 2008 Braun-ian levels of man crush.

 

He's having an amazing season....for a 26 year old. For a 22 year old? He's approaching hall of famer numbers.

[brewcrewdue80]

IF they insist on making him a post player though, there's upside too. Talk about a big man who can run the court! Plus his shooting, ball handling. Very unique player. You may be able to convince me to make him a stretch 4, but not a 5.

 

You do realize that being a 5 and being a post-player are not necessarily the same things, right? No one has said that he need to be a post-up player.

 

Maker could easily grow to the 240-250lb range that would allow him the bulk to manage defending the opposing center.

 

IF he can handle the defensive side of the Center position, imagine a lineup of Giannis, Middleton, Parker, Maker and Dellavedova (or whomever) where no one is clogging the middle offensively (hello Anthony Mason), thus allowing for plenty of room to drive to the hoop. Or driving and kicking it out to any of the other 4 players that have 3pt range.

 

When you have a player that breaks the traditional molds, it doesn't mean you have to force him back into that mold (i.e. a center being a post-up player).

 

See, I envision his 5 differently. Because he's long, lean and athletic. He'll cause problems to bigger #5s not being able to shoot over him, dribble a few times more and with how the Bucks Athletically are appearing on paper mean long arms like Giannis to steal the bowl or catch poor passouts. You can't teach height. He's over 7' tall. This is not like he is facing Shaq's every game out. I see him average defensively with what he'd bring as a 3pt threat offensively, just making 1-1 for Giannis childs play and wreck defenses. Brogdon, Parker, Middleton, Maker on 1 side of the court or 3/1 stretching the defense.... I mean Giannis is already attempting behind the back passes. Get a guy like Maker or Parker diving in behind Giannis on his drive to the basket which he clears out for easy layins and dunks.

[pacopete4]

Another game blown.

[patrickgpe]

what would bucks fans think of this trade

 

bucks get brook lopez, 2017 2nd round pick

nets get 2 1st round picks, greg monroe

 

That is the price that the nets want and the bucks should be picking towards the back of the next 2 drafts, nets should be picking near the top of the 2nd round next year

[danzig6767]

what would bucks fans think of this trade

 

bucks get brook lopez, 2017 2nd round pick

nets get 2 1st round picks, greg monroe

 

That is the price that the nets want and the bucks should be picking towards the back of the next 2 drafts, nets should be picking near the top of the 2nd round next year

Bucks desperately need to find a way to shed the contract of either Henson or Plumlee, preferably Henson.

 

I can't deal with watching Henson play anymore. That guy is so damn soft. Game after game he gets bullied away from defensive rebounds. Plumlee sucks also, but for now at least, i'd like to see him get Henson's minutes. Plumlee has zero skills on offense besides dunking, but he isn't soft as hell and will fight for rebounds instead of getting pushed around like that toothpick Henson does.

[CheezWizHed]

IF they insist on making him a post player though, there's upside too. Talk about a big man who can run the court! Plus his shooting, ball handling. Very unique player. You may be able to convince me to make him a stretch 4, but not a 5.

 

You do realize that being a 5 and being a post-player are not necessarily the same things, right? No one has said that he need to be a post-up player.

 

Maker could easily grow to the 240-250lb range that would allow him the bulk to manage defending the opposing center.

 

IF he can handle the defensive side of the Center position, imagine a lineup of Giannis, Middleton, Parker, Maker and Dellavedova (or whomever) where no one is clogging the middle offensively (hello Anthony Mason), thus allowing for plenty of room to drive to the hoop. Or driving and kicking it out to any of the other 4 players that have 3pt range.

 

When you have a player that breaks the traditional molds, it doesn't mean you have to force him back into that mold (i.e. a center being a post-up player).

 

See, I envision his 5 differently. Because he's long, lean and athletic. He'll cause problems to bigger #5s not being able to shoot over him, dribble a few times more and with how the Bucks Athletically are appearing on paper mean long arms like Giannis to steal the bowl or catch poor passouts. You can't teach height. He's over 7' tall. This is not like he is facing Shaq's every game out. I see him average defensively with what he'd bring as a 3pt threat offensively, just making 1-1 for Giannis childs play and wreck defenses. Brogdon, Parker, Middleton, Maker on 1 side of the court or 3/1 stretching the defense.... I mean Giannis is already attempting behind the back passes. Get a guy like Maker or Parker diving in behind Giannis on his drive to the basket which he clears out for easy layins and dunks.

 

I think you and I see his version of a #5 very similarly.

[superfly]

what would bucks fans think of this trade

 

bucks get brook lopez, 2017 2nd round pick

nets get 2 1st round picks, greg monroe

 

That is the price that the nets want and the bucks should be picking towards the back of the next 2 drafts, nets should be picking near the top of the 2nd round next year

Bucks desperately need to find a way to shed the contract of either Henson or Plumlee, preferably Henson.

 

I can't deal with watching Henson play anymore. That guy is so damn soft. Game after game he gets bullied away from defensive rebounds. Plumlee sucks also, but for now at least, i'd like to see him get Henson's minutes. Plumlee has zero skills on offense besides dunking, but he isn't soft as hell and will fight for rebounds instead of getting pushed around like that toothpick Henson does.

 

Brook Lopez is even softer than Henson. Please for the love of God don't trade for him. We need a Biyombo / Joakim Noah / prime Dwight Howard type of player controlling the interior right now, not another softie who wants to shoot jumpers and not rebound. How Lopez is 7' and gets like 3 boards a game is baffling.

[homer]

Capers was just fine when he had Raji, Matthews, Woodson, and Nick Collins.

[statman0007]

Behind the Bucks Pass suggested Henson for Bogut. I actually like what Henson brings to the table, but that could be a "win-win" for both teams. Bogut isn't as good of a shot blocker but is still a good overall defender. Obviously he's more skilled offensively and he showed great chemistry with Delly in the Olympics. Plus we'd clear out the logjam of contracts at the center position. The one downside I see is that he wouldn't be as good in the transition game as Henson. My solution would be that if we want to be running in transition give Plumlee some minutes and let him try and earn that contract.

[CheezWizHed]

Capers was just fine when he had Raji, Matthews, Woodson, and Nick Collins.

 

Yes, but Raji is way to short to play center. Granted, him just standing there means everyone would be at least 3 feet from the basket.

[tmwiese55]

Behind the Bucks Pass suggested Henson for Bogut. I actually like what Henson brings to the table, but that could be a "win-win" for both teams. Bogut isn't as good of a shot blocker but is still a good overall defender. Obviously he's more skilled offensively and he showed great chemistry with Delly in the Olympics. Plus we'd clear out the logjam of contracts at the center position. The one downside I see is that he wouldn't be as good in the transition game as Henson. My solution would be that if we want to be running in transition give Plumlee some minutes and let him try and earn that contract.

 

Henson does nothing well at this point. The only way Bogut isn't clearly better than him is that Bogut is always hurt. If Bogut can play, he's better. Keep in mind you only need about 20 mins per game since Monroe can get the other 28. I'd do it in a second to clear Henson's contract off the books.

[statman0007]

Pretty sure that's the first time "health" has gone in the win column for Henson. Agree about Monroe getting the majority of the minutes. If it did work I'd want to arrange the minutes so that Brogdon/Monroe and Delly/Bogut combos are on the floor as much as possible since they seem to make each other better.

[FVBrewerFan]

Big win, big night for Bease. Story for me though is another great game from Brogdon. He's really rolling now.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Not only a great win, but a great 4th quarter by the Bucks.

 

By just about every single metric you can find, the Bucks are somewhere between either the 3rd or 4th best team in the Eastern Conf, and yet there they are, down in 7th place. They really, really, really need to learn how to close out games. That's what's keeping them from being as good a team as they can be.