Lucroy Trades/Proposals (part 3)

[A Swing and A Drive]

This was likely before the Gomes and Brantley injury news and the Indians came to to forefront

[RockCoCougars]

I'll be livid if Lucroy is traded for a handful of teenage A ballers. Bottom line if Texas wants him, it's Profar plus prospects, if Detroit wants him it's Norris plus prospects and so on. Premier players simply aren't moved at the deadline without one blue chipper coming back, especially when it's not a rental scenario.

[mattyo]

Not sure why everyone is talking about tip-toeing around teams top prospects. Lucroy is the best trade chip on the market. He gets teams best prospects or he doesn't go

[bill hAll Star]

I'll be livid if Lucroy is traded for a handful of teenage A ballers. Bottom line if Texas wants him, it's Profar plus prospects, if Detroit wants him it's Norris plus prospects and so on. Premier players simply aren't moved at the deadline without one blue chipper coming back, especially when it's not a rental scenario.

 

What's your plan when Profar is a free agent right when the Brewers' window is opening? Trade him?

 

I'm not very high on Norris at this point. I'd go lower in the org for that as well.

[adambr2]

Don't see the brewers trading both relievers

 

Why not? Everything is available and should be. Trading one of Jeffress or Smith doesn't make the other one less expendable.

 

 

Maybe it doesn't but it's also not set in stone that both are gone. I could see them holding onto Jeffress.

 

I could see them holding onto both, I just don't think one of then getting traded makes it any less likely that the other does or doesn't.

[A Swing and A Drive]

Let's get a full on bidding war between Indians and Rangers!!!!

 

 

Whoever includes Gallo or Frazier in their offer first gets an All-Star catcher!

[molitor fan]

Zimmer, Bradley, Sheffield for Lucroy and Smith is my best guess of what I think is going to happen.....

[MilwaukeeBeers]

Let's get a full on bidding war between Indians and Rangers!!!!

 

 

Whoever includes Gallo or Frazier in their offer first gets an All-Star catcher!

Hell get the Red Sox involved too!

[StearnsFTW]

I don't like Bradley's (lack of) contact rate. I'd take Meija and McKenzie as my starting points. Maybe throw in Chang and Hillman and call it a day. That avoids their top 4.

 

Find a way to get SF a reliever for 1b Chris Shaw.

 

Keep your powder dry for more trades in the offseason and next year.

 

Agree mostly. Bradley scares me as well. I really want a top flight starting pitcher out of any Lucroy deal though. Gimme Zimmer or gimme death. And one of the top starters.

[HighHeat19]

Frazier>Zimmer. Frazier 2 years younger. Zimmer is also striking out alot this year compared to Frazier.

 

Give me Frazier, McKenzie, Mejia, Clevinger, Hillman.

 

Cleveland gets Lucroy, Will Smith, Jeffress.

[MrTPlush]

Frazier>Zimmer. Frazier 2 years younger. Zimmer is also striking out alot this year compared to Frazier.

 

Give me Frazier, McKenzie, Mejia, Clevinger, Hillman.

 

Cleveland gets Lucroy, Will Smith, Jeffress.

 

You are forgetting Frazier is a very good CFer and much faster. On the other hand Zimmer is destined for a corner spot and not as much of a basestealer. You can't just compare their offensive numbers when one plays a way more premium position.

[StearnsFTW]

While I like them both quite a bit, but Zimmer is more likely to stick in cf than Frazier. Frazier is younger though.

 

Would be very happy with either along with McKenzie. After that it's gravy.

[StearnsFTW]

Frazier>Zimmer. Frazier 2 years younger. Zimmer is also striking out alot this year compared to Frazier.

 

Give me Frazier, McKenzie, Mejia, Clevinger, Hillman.

 

Cleveland gets Lucroy, Will Smith, Jeffress.

 

You are forgetting Frazier is a very good CFer and much faster. On the other hand Zimmer is destined for a corner spot and not as much of a basestealer. You can't just compare their offensive numbers when one plays a way more premium position.

 

Zimmer appears to be much faster and more likely to stick in cf from what I've read.

[HighHeat19]

I think this trade talk w/ Cleveland is more or less to get other teams involved. The Brewers were able to keep the Aaron Hill trade top secret until after it went through. Cleveland sure wouldn't want this to get out. Possibly why Cleveland said they were not interested in Lucroy at all a few days ago. I believe the Brewers are using the media to their advantage.

 

BTW, with Fielder possibly done for the season this intensifies Lucroy and maybe even Chris Carter to the Rangers.

[MrTPlush]

Frazier>Zimmer. Frazier 2 years younger. Zimmer is also striking out alot this year compared to Frazier.

 

Give me Frazier, McKenzie, Mejia, Clevinger, Hillman.

 

Cleveland gets Lucroy, Will Smith, Jeffress.

 

You are forgetting Frazier is a very good CFer and much faster. On the other hand Zimmer is destined for a corner spot and not as much of a basestealer. You can't just compare their offensive numbers when one plays a way more premium position.

 

Zimmer appears to be much faster and more likely to stick in cf from what I've read.

 

Had them backwards! That is what I meant!

[splitterpfj]

I'll be livid if Lucroy is traded for a handful of teenage A ballers. Bottom line if Texas wants him, it's Profar plus prospects, if Detroit wants him it's Norris plus prospects and so on. Premier players simply aren't moved at the deadline without one blue chipper coming back, especially when it's not a rental scenario.

 

I don't think you have anything to worry about there, I don't see that happening.

 

There might be a teen or two in a Lucroy return, but not an entire package, and don't forget, TX is looking for pitching help too - there's more than one reason for the Brewers to be looking at the lower levels.

[MrTPlush]

Frazier>Zimmer. Frazier 2 years younger. Zimmer is also striking out alot this year compared to Frazier.

 

Give me Frazier, McKenzie, Mejia, Clevinger, Hillman.

 

Cleveland gets Lucroy, Will Smith, Jeffress.

 

You are forgetting Frazier is a very good CFer and much faster. On the other hand Zimmer is destined for a corner spot and not as much of a basestealer. You can't just compare their offensive numbers when one plays a way more premium position.

 

Zimmer appears to be much faster and more likely to stick in cf from what I've read.

 

Had them backwards! That is what I meant!

[splitterpfj]

Not sure why everyone is talking about tip-toeing around teams top prospects. Lucroy is the best trade chip on the market. He gets teams best prospects or he doesn't go

 

None of that from me, I'm just trying to project which prospects a team might be willing to deal, based on their histories, and the near-term needs of their MLB club.

 

Not to worry, Lucroy won't go anywhere just for, "guys", the Brewers will get a good return.

 

In Cleveland's case, their depth is starting pitching, and their biggest need on their big club is in the outfield - like it or not, that's not the scenario for a notoriously conservative bunch to give up a top outfield prospect.

 

One other note - if at all possible, I think the Brewers want the Lucroy deal to slant towards pitching over hitting.

 

Look once, six of Cleveland's top ten prospects are pitchers, and one is a catcher - that's plenty to work with, even without the guys right at the top.

 

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=cle

 

 

Texas has less pitching in its top ten, and honestly, their young pitchers concern me. Tate, while very young, has underperformed at the launch of his pro career, Ortiz carries extra weight, and Matuella has significant durability concerns.

 

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=tex

[StearnsFTW]

That's what I figured MrTPlush.

 

[StearnsFTW]

Personally if it's Lucroy and Smith, I want one of those outfielders plus sheffield or McKenzie plus Hillman plus another guy.

 

If it's just Lucroy I'd be happy with sheffield and McKenzie and another guy or more likely 2.

 

This is the ultimate sellers market. You don't see catchers of Lucroys caliber on the market while they're controllable very often.

[brewcrewdue80]

Frazier&McKenzie plus 1lotto Done for Lucroy. Aiken is the only other Pitching prospect I like. But less than McKenzie.

[adambr2]

Not sure why everyone is talking about tip-toeing around teams top prospects. Lucroy is the best trade chip on the market. He gets teams best prospects or he doesn't go

 

None of that from me, I'm just trying to project which prospects a team might be willing to deal, based on their histories, and the near-term needs of their MLB club.

 

Not to worry, Lucroy won't go anywhere just for, "guys", the Brewers will get a good return.

 

In Cleveland's case, their depth is starting pitching, and their biggest need on their big club is in the outfield - like it or not, that's not the scenario for a notoriously conservative bunch to give up a top outfield prospect.

 

One other note - if at all possible, I think the Brewers want the Lucroy deal to slant towards pitching over hitting.

 

Look once, six of Cleveland's top ten prospects are pitchers, and one is a catcher - that's plenty to work with, even without the guys right at the top.

 

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=cle

 

 

Texas has less pitching in its top ten, and honestly, their young pitchers concern me. Tate, while very young, has underperformed at the launch of his pro career, Ortiz carries extra weight, and Matuella has significant durability concerns.

 

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=tex

 

So you're figuring a 'quantity over quality' type deal with Cleveland if it happens? Not that we wouldn't get quality, just wondering if we are looking at something with a bunch of top 200s rather than a true blue chip centerpiece. (not saying there won't be top 100s. If it's a trade with a glutton of top 200 guys, I'd expect at least 2 in the top 100.

[markedman5]

 

@jonmorosi: #Brewers discussing possible Jonathan Lucroy trade with multiple teams, sources say. #Indians among them. Nothing imminent. @MLB

 

Edited to add quote of linked tweet.

[StearnsFTW]

I'm sorry, I obviously missed something, but why is Atlanta involved here?

 

It's great that they are I just don't understand it. Like at all.

[splitterpfj]

So you're figuring a 'quantity over quality' type deal with Cleveland if it happens?

 

I wouldn't call it that personally, but I'm sure a lot of people would at the time it was announced.

 

That's a good farm system, and a couple of those kids are really on the rise - Triston McKenzie and Francisco Mejia - click over and check their stats.

 

If the Brewers got both of those guys and one, or maybe even two players they like from further down the list, that might not have a sexy sound to it, but it's real talent coming back.

 

From Cleveland, I would say the Brewers have to get one of those top three bats at the head of the list, or they have to get multiple players out of those next few to get it done.