Lucroy Trades/Proposals (part 3)

[patrickgpe]

I don't want to deal withe Detroit. Hate their system. Javier Betancourt was actually a fairly well ranked prospect for them and he will be way down on our prospect lists as the new draftees and trade rewards get listed.

yeah i was looking for younger players to try to figure out what we could get in a trade. its not that strong of a system

[Austin Tatious]

I don't want to deal withe Detroit. Hate their system. Javier Betancourt was actually a fairly well ranked prospect for them and he will be way down on our prospect lists as the new draftees and trade rewards get listed.

yeah i was looking for younger players to try to figure out what we could get in a trade. its not that strong of a system

 

No worries, I appreciate the creativity. We should have an open mind about young talent with high ceilings. Grab the 19 year old with upside before he blows up. Kind of like how Toronto traded Sydergaard to the Mets in the Dickey deal.

[Mr Southpaw]

What would the Brewers have to chip in with Lucroy for the Indians to send back (similar package to Carlos and Fiers from last year - 2 hitters 2 pitchers):

 

Justus Sheffield

Triston Mckensie

Bobby Bradley

Francisco Mejia

 

Lucroy

Will Smith

 

Add Yandy Diaz and you got a deal.

 

The Indians really need a lefty out of the pen, making Smith very intriguing for them. Smith by himself should get at least Mejia and Mckensie. That leaves Lucroy for Bradley, Sheffield and Diaz. That again sounds like a pretty fair deal.

[Outlander]

Ironically, whoever the Indians call up from AAA to replace Gomes will probably be an upgrade over his shocking .162/.196/.308 batting line. Could still see Cleveland as major contenders for Lucroy now though.

 

They are calling up Roberto Perez from his rehab assignment (broken thumb that needed surgery).

 

Ironically, while his D is on par with Gomes, his offense THIS season has been worse than Gomes.

 

He has had a grand 8 at-bats this season. Why even mention it? Guess we should mention his elite .400 OBP% this year.

He is up to 10 at bats but picked up another walk. Love the 0/389/0 slash line, the new Colin Walsh. I would take him over Maldonado.

[A Swing and A Drive]

Rumor has it that teams are targeting 2B Jurickson Profar from the Rangers via trade.

 

Maybe Stearns is targeting Profar as the headliner in a potential Lucroy trade.

 

C Jonathan Lucroy

RP Tyler Thornburg or Will Smith

 

for

 

2B Jurickson Profar

OF Leodys Taveras

RHP Ariel Jurado or RHP Pedro Payano

 

???

 

I'd prefer targeting a higher upside SP in a deal, personally.

[Madhawk23]

DS constantly preaches that he is looking for controllable talent, so I can't imagine that we are really targeting Profar in any deal with Texas. He only has three years left of control, which doesn't fit with our next potential window for winning. Just doesn't make a lot of sense based off of what we know about DS and his philosophy. Now, if Melvin were still GM, then yeah I could see Profar being on the table.

[jerichoholicninja]

Stearns seems like a pretty smart guy. Profar doesn't fit great with Milwaukee but if he really wants the other guys and the Rangers are only willing to give up him instead of Gallo or whoever else he really wants, the are lots of other teams that want Profar. Pair him with Smith or Jeffress and you've got another great trade package.

[MrTPlush]

Profar could be a trade candidate. If that of course involves another team and he never plays a game for us.

[Madhawk23]

Yeah, I suppose DS could target Profar if it helps to get a couple of the younger guys that he covets in their system - and then use Profar as a trade piece to package with one of our relievers to get even more young talent from another team. But, I guess that's the only way Profar makes much sense for us.

[splitterpfj]

A few things ...

 

Do I think it makes perfect sense for Cleveland to target Lucroy? Yes, absolutely.

 

Do I think it makes perfect sense for Cleveland to target Smith? Yes, absolutely.

 

Do I think Cleveland would give up five players, including 2-3 of their current, "top ten" prospects to get them? No, absolutely not.

 

I don't agree with the Indians on this, I think the match is beyond obvious, and I think they should attempt to cash in on that starting rotation by getting as much talent around it as possible - but they just don't do business that way. This is a notoriously conservative group, when it comes to dealing young players out.

 

On Profar - it's a weird deal. When you consider the three years of service time burned, he is more like the player a contender would deal for. On the other hand, when you consider the short big league track record, he's more like the guy a rebuilding team targets.

 

I think he stays right where he is, until winter, when there is time to work all of that out. In December, TX will have more teams to talk to, and if a rebuilding team wants him, but maybe wants to work out an extension first, that can be done.

[A Swing and A Drive]

There really is no stand out team in the AL this season. The AL gets to host possible games 6 and 7 in the World Series this year with home field advantage.

 

The Indians have a 5.5 game lead in the AL central on July 19th. They have a stacked, young starting rotation that could carry them in the playoffs.

 

They haven't won a World Series since 1948. Very few of their fans were alive then.

 

It's quite obvious to everyone they need to go all in and go for it.

 

Hopefully their front office wakes up and makes a play for Lucroy and/or Will Smith.

 

BTW, a Cubs/Indians World Series would be EPIC!

 

I can envision Jonathon Lucroy hitting a walk off homer to beat the Cubs in game 7 at Jacobs Field.

[reillymcshane]

 

On Profar - it's a weird deal. When you consider the three years of service time burned, he is more like the player a contender would deal for. On the other hand, when you consider the short big league track record, he's more like the guy a rebuilding team targets.

Yeah, I totally agree about Profar. I like the guy a ton, but he's only three years of control. This club needs to target guys with 5 and 6 years of control.

[reillymcshane]

Cleveland really hasn't been the type of team to make a deal for a guy like Lucroy, but you have to wonder if they'll change course with how well they are doing this year, plus the injury to Gomes. It's just too perfect for Cleveland. Big need, cheap contract, lots of good prospects to trade from.

 

And this would be for two playoff races - not just one. You get a minimum of a comp pick in the end.

 

I do think that, in the end, Boston caves in an gives up something big for Lucroy. Dombrowski wasn't brought in to let another team steal the best player on the market. He wants to win, and he'll ultimately pay a big price.

 

But if Cleveland is the team, I want Frazier.

[billymac]

Was listening to MLB radio this morning, they said a source from another team talking to the Brewers are not considering "package" or "sweeten the pot" deals with other teams. They look at it as their players are more valuable on their own. Might be why teams are saying there is a high price tag on our players. Probably 2 week away deadline talk but if someone sweetens the pot for an additional player of ours, especially with the high price tags, I'm hoping Stearns is open minded.

[JohnBriggs12]

 

On Profar - it's a weird deal. When you consider the three years of service time burned, he is more like the player a contender would deal for. On the other hand, when you consider the short big league track record, he's more like the guy a rebuilding team targets.

Yeah, I totally agree about Profar. I like the guy a ton, but he's only three years of control. This club needs to target guys with 5 and 6 years of control.

 

Brewers could figure Profar's value would be even higher a year from now. It's not like he couldn't use a bit more of a major league track record. In the meantime they can delay Arcia's ascent to the big leagues after what has so far been a mildly disappointing season for him at AAA.

[Austin Tatious]

Good post, Splitter. I really would rather have other talent than Profar for a variety of reasons (service time, age, other 2B options, etc.). Taking him and then flipping again is not my first choice but it wouldn't be the end of the world, either, if some upside young talent like Tavares comes with him. Hopefully it works out.

 

I continue to have my doubts on Gallo. Don't get me wrong, I would have taken him over Haniger in the draft. In addition, guys taken above him by the Brewers are likely on their way to busting. This whole concept of applying the bonus pools is a big fat fail for Milwaukee.

[fondybrewfan]

IDK; I don't see any way Arcia isn't in MLB on Opening Day 2017 even if his 2016 year is a little worse than we hoped. We aren't competing next year but you want Arcia to get a track record and some AB's before we are competing.

[splitterpfj]

Was listening to MLB radio this morning, they said a source from another team talking to the Brewers are not considering "package" or "sweeten the pot" deals with other teams. They look at it as their players are more valuable on their own. Might be why teams are saying there is a high price tag on our players. Probably 2 week away deadline talk but if someone sweetens the pot for an additional player of ours, especially with the high price tags, I'm hoping Stearns is open minded.

 

Billy, I know this to be true.

 

The Brewers are not looking to package two guys to up the return on the first guy. The Brewers have established a value on every player they've got, and that value is what they're asking for in trades.

 

Yes, they would trade two guys in one deal, but that deal would be for the full value of both players, not for the price they had established for the first guy, +1 for the trouble.

[mattyo]

And that makes perfect sense, Splitter, and I am happy to hear it.

 

@Reilly It does feel good to know that there are multiple competing teams with major farm system talent are in need of a catcher doesnt it? . That being said, if Cleveland is reluctant to trade their top talent, they should be ignored immediately. Lucroy requires top level farm talent period.

[dacrew101]

[gregmag]

Wow.

 

I like those guys fine as the third and fourth pieces of the package in that trade, I guess.

[And That]

I hate to bring it up, but that idea is maybe an insight as to why O'Dowd is no longer employed as a GM.

[mattyo]

 

 

This is laughably pathetic

[MrTPlush]

Is this the same idiot who proposed Lucroy to the Mets for Wheeler/Flores?

[Warning Track Power]

Seriously...? Smith alone could possibly bring that.