2016-05-28 Reds (Simon) at Brewers (Anderson), 3:10 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 7-6]

[markedman5]

Blazek has been walking the tightrope pretty much all season.

 

Fell off today.

 

Can't pitch from behind as much as he has been.

[adambr2]

Definitely not what we were hoping for from a Braun PH appearance.

[GoToHelfaer]

Well the bullpen success was fun while it lasted. Yikes.

 

Still successful. Only Blazek stunk it up so far.

 

 

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[adambr2]

Wow, this is absolute crap, and we're going to lose the game on it. Out of challenges? No problem, just go tell the umpire that you want another one.

[markedman5]

Bonehead mistake by Scooter.

 

Had all the time in the world to make the turn.

 

This is about to be the worst loss of the year.

 

Just gave this one away

[adambr2]

Awful bonehead play by Scooter. Terrible management from Counsell leaving Blazek out to give up 5 today. What an absolute choke job today.

[markedman5]

Scooter really can't hit lefties......at all.

[adambr2]

Hey, way to redeem yourself, Scooter.

 

Bench him tomorrow

[markedman5]

Fitting end to,this game would be Carter getting picked off of first......

[adambr2]

Worst loss of the season.

 

Counsell got way too comfy with a big lead leaving Blazek in to throw 34 pitches when he clearly didn't have it.

[DuWayne Steurer]

I remember when Gennett hit that homerun off of Bumgarner. "Gennett can hit lefties now!"

 

He's now 2 for 17 on the season off of lefties.

[adambr2]

Scooter just isn't a very good player. He's not a great defender, doesn't hit for average or power, isn't particularly fast, and doesn't get on base.

 

There's no part of his game that's good enough to make me want to bank on him as our 2B of the future.

 

Obviously you don't want to see that kind of mental mistake out of anyone but Scooter of all players certainly doesn't have the stat line this year to be able to overlook a mistake like that.

[rickh150]

Game turned in my mind when the pitcher got tossed.....

Chase gets hit by pitcher, wails in pain. Obvious to all it was on purpose and NOT ONE Brewer is ticked about it, NOT ONE. Just a few guys milling around by the dugout. Pathetic. Your pitcher is hit purposefully, ball hits his throwing arm on top of it, and no emotion? I'd had been out there in that pitcher's face. Chase hit 3 guys- two weren't intentional, third was purely situational as everyone knew. The edge and momentum started to change then already. That didn't lose the game, but momentum did shift. And where was CC in all this? Pathetic and sad.... Weak wimps.

[Ennder]

I remember when Gennett hit that homerun off of Bumgarner. "Gennett can hit lefties now!"

 

He's now 2 for 17 on the season off of lefties.

 

 

To be fair he was taking walks and his ABs looked good, plus he was actually hitting the ball hard instead of rolling everything weakly to 2B.

 

He has looked like a completely different player since his injury and not in a good way.

[rickh150]

I remember when Gennett hit that homerun off of Bumgarner. "Gennett can hit lefties now!"

 

He's now 2 for 17 on the season off of lefties.

 

 

To be fair he was taking walks and his ABs looked good, plus he was actually hitting the ball hard instead of rolling everything weakly to 2B.

 

He has looked like a completely different player since his injury and not in a good way.

 

 

Agree with Ender....injury changed him. Give him some at bats against righties and hopefully he snaps back to form.

[trwi7]

Wow, this is absolute crap, and we're going to lose the game on it. Out of challenges? No problem, just go tell the umpire that you want another one.

 

It's really not. The rule states that even if you're out of challenges you can go out after the 7th and make a suggestion that the umpires should look at the replay. They don't have to grant it but they obviously thought it was close enough to take a second look.

[1992casey]

Yeah, the umps can initiate replays whenever they deem that review is warranted, although they don't have to grant a manager's request if there's no challenge available.

 

The problem Brian and Bill had was that it took so long for that replay to be initiated.

[GoToHelfaer]

I can't complain about the rule or the call since I've personally wanted the "in the general vicinity" of the base allowance eliminated for a long time.

 

I think baseball has to make replay decisions by teams on a dugout judgement only. No more of this manager to the top step waiting for a guy on the phone to decide if there's evidence to review or not. Either YOU see it differently than the umpire or you don't.

 

 

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[trwi7]

My only problem with the replay is no error was given. I know you can't "assume" a double play but unless you think keeping his foot on the base a split second longer was going to send the ball flying towards the sun, I don't see how you can't rule it an error.

[adambr2]

Wow, this is absolute crap, and we're going to lose the game on it. Out of challenges? No problem, just go tell the umpire that you want another one.

 

It's really not. The rule states that even if you're out of challenges you can go out after the 7th and make a suggestion that the umpires should look at the replay. They don't have to grant it but they obviously thought it was close enough to take a second look.

 

So then rewrite the rule to call it what it really is - managers get unlimited challenges after the 7th. The whole concept of a 'suggestion' is ridiculous. Obviously any coach or manager at any level of any sport wants any close play ruled against him to be reviewed. It's not a play that would have been reviewed without manager intervention.

 

Wait for the outcry from a team when a crew refuses to grant a review on a similar play.

[jerichoholicninja]

Wow, this is absolute crap, and we're going to lose the game on it. Out of challenges? No problem, just go tell the umpire that you want another one.

 

It's really not. The rule states that even if you're out of challenges you can go out after the 7th and make a suggestion that the umpires should look at the replay. They don't have to grant it but they obviously thought it was close enough to take a second look.

 

So then rewrite the rule to call it what it really is - managers get unlimited challenges after the 7th. The whole concept of a 'suggestion' is ridiculous. Obviously any coach or manager at any level of any sport wants any close play ruled against him to be reviewed. It's not a play that would have been reviewed without manager intervention.

 

Wait for the outcry from a team when a crew refuses to grant a review on a similar play.

 

Exactly. It's not a "suggestion" if the umps always review it. And I have yet to see it denied.

[trwi7]

Exactly. It's not a "suggestion" if the umps always review it. And I have yet to see it denied.

 

You probably don't see it denied because it's in a commercial.

[jerichoholicninja]

Exactly. It's not a "suggestion" if the umps always review it. And I have yet to see it denied.

 

You probably don't see it denied because it's in a commercial.

 

Do you know that for a fact or are you just guessing? Even if it were true that would only account for plays that were the 3rd out.

[trwi7]

I'm just guessing. I'm sure it hasn't happened a lot because

 

1. A team needs to be out of challenges.

2. The play needs to be close enough where it wasn't an obvious call.

 

So how many challenges do we see during a game across all of MLB? I'm guessing it's far less than an average of 1 per game so in most cases a team would just use their manager's challenge.

 

I mean, would you really know if a replay was declined? A manager could go out and ask for a replay but he could be having a discussion with an umpire about numerous other things and unless he was specifically asked about it in his post game press conference and then said as an answer that I asked them to look at a replay but they said they wouldn't, nobody would ever know.

 

I guess I don't see the problem or what we're even arguing about here. Bryan Price or some other coach or whatever saw the replay and looked like Gennett might have had his foot off the base. During the commercial Pryce goes out to talk to I'm guessing Jim Joyce since he's the crew chief and probably says to him something along the lines of "We just got a look at the replay and we think his foot might have come off 2nd base before he had the ball, we'd like you to take a look at it."

 

Since they had no challenges left, Joyce could've just said no but since it was a big play in the game, he probably said we'll take a look and they ended up getting the call right. I don't see what the big deal is? The goal is to get every call right and no rules were broken in looking at the replay.

 

Blame Jeffress for getting in that mess to begin with. Blame Gennett for not keeping his foot on the base when there was no pressure on him to take his foot off the base.

 

I think they should just get rid of manager's challenges to begin with. It's stupid. I think everything should be initiated from New York. It would just make it a much smoother overall process.

[jerichoholicninja]

I guess I don't see the problem or what we're even arguing about here.

 

It's stupid that a manager has a certain number of challenges (I'm not ever sure how many or what the stipulations are because the whole process is so convoluted) but only until the 7th inning. Then it's up to the umpires to see their own mistakes (like that's going to happen) but a manager can still "suggest" that they review a play. So there are rules for number of challenges before the 7th inning but after the 7th it's basically unlimited as long as you ask nicely. Which certainly brings up another issue. If the manager has been riding an ump all game about the strike zone who's to say the ump is going to be agreeable to review a close call he made later in the game. The whole process is just terrible.

 

I think they should just get rid of manager's challenges to begin with. It's stupid. I think everything should be initiated from New York. It would just make it a much smoother overall process.

 

I would agree with this but who's going to be responsible for choosing what to review? The umps running the show in New York? Are they going to be totally fair in choosing which plays their co-workers/brethren have botched to review or will they try and protect their profession's image?