2016 Draft Pick Discussion, Rounds 1-5

[SRB]

This forum really turns into "JS Online Comments" sometimes. Yes, there were arguably more "exciting" players than Corey Ray, but he was a consensus top-5/top-10 talent and some evaluators had him as the best player in the draft. Stop pretending like you know what you're talking about and that he's a bad player.

 

That the exact response I received a few years ago when I said the same things about Jed Bradley. I continue to "pretend" to act like I know what I'm talking about, because I do.

 

Rather than being condescending, simply show me a college player who hit like Ray and then became successful.

 

People will tell me those mediocre collegiate results don't matter, just like they said about Bradley. They also said Bradley was a good pick because these same so-called experts who also like Ray said so.

 

Sorry, but drafting based on college OPS is not a great way of proving that you know what you're talking about. A center fielder with a .958 OPS and 44 SB is a problem?

[FVBrewerFan]

That's still interesting. Let's just say several guys had a higher obp. For Louisville. And he's a tweeter between cf and corner of. Doesn't mean it's a bad pick, just a couple legitimate things to consider.

[dacrew101]

Tissues for everyone!

[MrTPlush]

That's still interesting. Let's just say several guys had a higher obp. For Louisville. And he's a tweeter between cf and corner of. Doesn't mean it's a bad pick, just a couple legitimate things to consider.

 

He isn't really a tweener. Most think he can hit 15-20 homers a year on average. And honestly when he is hitting .280/.360 with 40+ stolen bases he will be good to play anywhere.

[Eye Black]

Does anyone have a link to Corey Ray's stats with Team USA? I know he didn't hit well in the Cape back in 2014, but that was a pretty limited sample size and two years ago. I know he was much better last summer with USA baseball.

[SRB]

That's still interesting. Let's just say several guys had a higher obp. For Louisville. And he's a tweeter between cf and corner of. Doesn't mean it's a bad pick, just a couple legitimate things to consider.

 

Ryan Braun did not lead his team in OBP the year he was drafted. I'm guessing you would find it's not unusual. Teams draft based on tools and potential, not college performance.

[patrickgpe]

I'll judge the Ray pick afte4 they make their next 2 picks

[Boomer5]

The super usually over optimistic MLB crew compared him to Ray Lankford. Zzzzzzzzzzz

 

And you guys are right, he won't be under slot. Low ceiling but safe guy who apparently cant play CF. I guess if this a bad draft then that's what you get a 5.

 

Still not very exciting paying slot for a meh corner OF.

[markedman5]

This forum really turns into "JS Online Comments" sometimes. Yes, there were arguably more "exciting" players than Corey Ray, but he was a consensus top-5/top-10 talent and some evaluators had him as the best player in the draft. Stop pretending like you know what you're talking about and that he's a bad player.

 

That the exact response I received a few years ago when I said the same things about Jed Bradley. I continue to "pretend" to act like I know what I'm talking about, because I do.

 

Rather than being condescending, simply show me a college player who hit like Ray and then became successful.

 

People will tell me those mediocre collegiate results don't matter, just like they said about Bradley. They also said Bradley was a good pick because these same so-called experts who also like Ray said so.

 

Sorry, but drafting based on college OPS is not a great way of proving that you know what you're talking about. A center fielder with a .958 OPS and 44 SB is a problem?

 

Just because you were right on Bradley doesn't mean you know what your talking about.

 

It just means you were right on Bradley.

 

Tell us about all the guys you were wrong about?

 

If you don't have a bunch of names you are a liar.

[reillymcshane]

Does anyone have a link to Corey Ray's stats with Team USA? I know he didn't hit well in the Cape back in 2014, but that was a pretty limited sample size and two years ago. I know he was much better last summer with USA baseball.

Only thing I saw was in the comments of the MLB pipeline review:

 

"during the summer, leading the U.S. collegiate national team in OPS (.971), extra-base hits (nine) and steals (11)."

[Boomer5]

I'll judge the Ray pick afte4 they make their next 2 picks

 

It won't be all that intriguing because we need to stay in slot due to picking Ray.

[SRB]

The super usually over optimistic MLB crew compared him to Ray Lankford. Zzzzzzzzzzz

 

And you guys are right, he won't be under slot. Low ceiling but safe guy who apparently cant play CF. I guess if this a bad draft then that's what you get a 5.

 

Still not very exciting paying slot for a meh corner OF.

 

Where are the Ray scouting reports saying he has a low ceiling? If he sticks in CF and develops more power he is a potential 30-30 guy up the middle...

[MrTPlush]

The super usually over optimistic MLB crew compared him to Ray Lankford. Zzzzzzzzzzz

 

And you guys are right, he won't be under slot. Low ceiling but safe guy who apparently cant play CF. I guess if this a bad draft then that's what you get a 5.

 

Still not very exciting paying slot for a meh corner OF.

 

Ray Lankford? I would be pretty happy if he puts up that kind of offense in today's game.

 

Also he could play CF we don't know that yet. Don't jump to conclusions.

[Point Beer Is Best]

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[reillymcshane]

Indians took Will Benson. He's ranked #38 in the MLB Pipeline.

[Austin Tatious]

If Groome ends up being ace, Montgomery and Stearns will never live it down. Ever.

[FVBrewerFan]

That's still interesting. Let's just say several guys had a higher obp. For Louisville. And he's a tweeter between cf and corner of. Doesn't mean it's a bad pick, just a couple legitimate things to consider.

 

Ryan Braun did not lead his team in OBP the year he was drafted. I'm guessing you would find it's not unusual. Teams draft based on tools and potential, not college performance.

 

I get that. Not trying to overstate the importance of obp when projecting a player. But I'll bet Miami didn't have several players with higher obp. Just interesting for a top 5 pick, could very well mean nothing.

[Jenkins5]

Anyone annoyed by how long the draft has become? Picks use to come pretty quick & now it seems like each year it gets slower and slower. I know they want to be more like NFL & NBA draft but not a fan.

 

I've settled in on the Ray pick now. Really it's over & done with. Nothing to do but think positive, embrace it, and hope for the best. Honestly, our OF prospects haven't shown anything really this year. Coulter, Taylor, Harrison couldn't all be worse than they are now. Phillips & Clark are okay but not staring by any means. Colleymore & Belonis, Rubio seem to be moving in right direction but they aren't MLB starters as of right now. Hopefully he can come in and produce.

[brewcrewdue80]

Indians took Will Benson. He's ranked #38 in the MLB Pipeline.

 

 

And these guys are Gushing over his Height and athleticism. Not heard on Ray.

[And That]

If Groome ends up being ace, Montgomery and Stearns will never live it down. Ever.

Or will the other 10 teams that passed on him? That's a lot of not living down.

[MrTPlush]

If Groome ends up being ace, Montgomery and Stearns will never live it down. Ever.

 

Nah because I understand why the Brewers and another good 10 teams passed on him. I am sure front office officials are the same way. I am not someone who looks in retrospect to grade everything. That's for the casual fan.

[wildcat2237]

The super usually over optimistic MLB crew compared him to Ray Lankford. Zzzzzzzzzzz

 

And you guys are right, he won't be under slot. Low ceiling but safe guy who apparently cant play CF. I guess if this a bad draft then that's what you get a 5.

 

Still not very exciting paying slot for a meh corner OF.

 

Where are the Ray scouting reports saying he has a low ceiling? If he sticks in CF and develops more power he is a potential 30-30 guy up the middle...

 

http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/2016/06/draft-preview-of-corey-ray-louisville/

 

Here's one:

 

"Ray has mostly played the corner outfield spots for Louisville, and if he’s relegated to a corner position as a pro, his ceiling will be more of an above average regular than a star."

[mattyo]

Christopher Crawford

‏@CVCrawfordBP

Love the Ray pick for Milwaukee. The Brewers are SO much better at this than they were just a couple years ago.

[Austin Tatious]

They are celebrating in St Louis and Wrigley. Don't need to worry about the uninspired Brewers who wasted a terrible last year on a punch and judy, slap hitter with a high floor and an uninspired batting average. But hey, he can start his mediocrity early.

 

Don't hope for losses. They will squander the pick. No foresight or comprehension of the Milwaukee market. Medeiros, Arnett, Heckathorn, Kentrail, Bradley, and now a weak hitting leftfielder with a high floor.

[Eye Black]

I really like Alex Kirilloff, I think he ends up being one of the better first round hitters in this draft.