Jimmy Nelson

[homer]

Is he a guy that you consider part of the "future"? If not, he might fetch something decent since he has years of control left. White Sox might have interest.

[JohnBriggs12]

Is he a guy that you consider part of the "future"? If not, he might fetch something decent since he has years of control left. White Sox might have interest.

 

White Sox don't have a great system. Fulmer's highly touted but with so-so results so far. Their other big prospect is Tim Anderson, who plays the same position as Arcia, and isn't as good defensively. I'd need a sure thing and then some to deal Nelson who's controllable for this year and 4 additional seasons.

 

Other somewhat intriguing guy in their system is Danny Hayes, a 1B who's a OBP freak, not unlike Walsh. He had an OBP that was 140 points higher than his .248 BA at AA last year. He's off to a great start in AAA: .312/.411/.558. But he'll be 26 in Sept, and has never hit for the power you want at 1B. He is blocked there, but I sure wouldn't deal Nelson to get him.

[brewmann04]

I think he part of the future

[3and2Fastball]

Part of the future. Certainly could bring back a good haul though. You'd have to listen on trade offers but the price should be pretty high

[pacopete4]

Oh my, if we trade away our only legitimate starting pitcher (yes, I know some of have been better as of late), I quit. How embarrassing. Seriously, how embarrassing would it be that we cannot even keep ONE stinking pitcher worth a darn on our team.

[MrTPlush]

Unless someone wants to value him as a frontline starter he isn't going anywhere.

[brewcrewdue80]

If we are going to talk about trading Jimmy Nelson, then why not talk about trading Santana. Arcia even. We only know how to rebuild but not how to maintain players to see it through?

[Roderick]

Unless someone wants to value him as a frontline starter he isn't going anywhere.

 

Ditto.

[And That]

Not exactly the same thing, but the Astros traded Jarred Cosart, Bud Norris, and Jordan Lyles during their rebuild.

 

If the Brewers were blown away by an offer, my guess is Nelson is out of the door. But I don't think other teams will meet what the Brewers should rightfully demand, so it's probably a moot point.

[MrTPlush]

I mean anyone is available. I'd probably send Arcia packing real quick for Urias or Giolito or Sydergaard.

[splitterpfj]

Listen to this, from Ken Rosenthal - he touches on the Brewers' relationship with Jeremy Jeffress, then he mentions Nelson, and why it might actually make some sense for a rebuilding team to trade an arm like that this year.

 

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/video?vid=681374787980

[JohnBriggs12]

Not exactly the same thing, but the Astros traded Jarred Cosart, Bud Norris, and Jordan Lyles during their rebuild.

 

If the Brewers were blown away by an offer, my guess is Nelson is out of the door. But I don't think other teams will meet what the Brewers should rightfully demand, so it's probably a moot point.

 

The Astros trade of Lyles for Dexter Fowler was hardly a rebuilding move. They turned around and dealt Fowler for journeyman Valbuena, again hardly a rebuilding move. None of the arms they dealt were on the level of Nelson either.

[And That]

Hence my preface "Not exactly the same thing, but..."

[brewcrewdue80]

Not exactly the same thing, but the Astros traded Jarred Cosart, Bud Norris, and Jordan Lyles during their rebuild.

 

If the Brewers were blown away by an offer, my guess is Nelson is out of the door. But I don't think other teams will meet what the Brewers should rightfully demand, so it's probably a moot point.

 

Astros happened to have superior arms vs those three coming up or recently joined its team. We've got none coming currently that appear to even match Nelson much less be superior to him.

Now, trading Santana would be similar to what Houston was able to do with pitching. At least 3-half dozen can equal or better Santanas talent.

[TURBO]

Nelson is part of our future, unless someone offered the moon, I'd hope he stays in Milwaukee.

 

You can't just trade everyone with value. At some point, we have to field a team, right?

[NievesNoNO]

Yeah, I think he's available but he probably has more value to the Brewers than what a contending team is willing to give. I keep thinking he's just an adjustment away from being a version of Garret Richards.. the uninjured version of course.

 

I'd look to hold.

[DHonks]

If I'm remembering correctly, Nelson isn't arbitration eligible until after next season. I'd consider trading him, but only in the right deal. I proposed dealing Wily 2 off-seasons ago, and now I sort of wish we had. Still time for Wily to turn it around though

[splitterpfj]

For those who haven't listened to it yet, Rosenthal said what a lot of you are thinking - typically a rebuilding team wouldn't deal a piece of its future, but this might be a good year to listen.

 

What he's getting at is, the free agent crop for next winter is not exciting, so even teams with money can't count on that to patch a hole this time around. If a team is wiling to listen on a young, controllable talent, a contending team that happens to be deep in prospects at the moment, may be willing to give more than they typically would right now.

 

He said a team doesn't trade a piece of its future, unless it gets back two pieces. That's exactly right. Jimmy Nelson is absolutely part of the future right now, and you'd have to really be sold on the kids you're getting back, but if the Brewers could turn Nelson into two guys like him, (not specifically pitchers, but two guys they firmly believe would become real contributors), then they should consider the possibility.

[Boomer5]

There are no untouchables on the major league roster.

 

Nelson is tough to evaluate because we see a number two with ace potential but Im not sure that is how he is viewed around the majors yet.

 

Id prefer to hold on to him but since the team is not going to over take the Cubs anytime soon, a monster trade package would be tempting. I just dont think anything like that is out there....yet.

[reillymcshane]

If he keeps pitching well, Nelson could fetch a heck of a lot this summer. I'm not looking to deal Jimmy, but if the right deal comes along, so be it.

[nate82]

The Red Sox make sense here. Devers + would be what I would expect in return.

[JohnBriggs12]

I can't believe this is being seriously discussed. This is a franchise that has spent ridiculous amounts on mediocre pitchers past their prime and Nelson comes along and shows signs of being the best starter they've produced since at least Gallardo and possibly Sheets and people want him dealt? Premier pitching is too hard to come by for small markets. No return would be enough.

[homer]

I can't believe this is being seriously discussed. This is a franchise that has spent ridiculous amounts on mediocre pitchers past their prime and Nelson comes along and shows signs of being the best starter they've produced since at least Gallardo and possibly Sheets and people want him dealt? Premier pitching is too hard to come by for small markets. No return would be enough.

 

 

Nelson is the best pitcher on a bad team. Let's not make him out to be something he isn't. He isn't a #1 starter on a playoff team. The question is, do you wait and hope he breaks out in the next year or two and keep him for a run in three or four years or do you trade him when he has a ton of value since he's both cheap and controllable.

[SRB]

Nelson has a 4.62 FIP this season. He had a 4.11 ERA last season. I guess he's technically the best since Gallardo, almost by default, but he's really not that good.

 

Sheets is the only Brewers-developed pitcher in recent memory who was truly great.

[brewcrewdue80]

Nelson has a 4.62 FIP this season. He had a 4.11 ERA last season. I guess he's technically the best since Gallardo, almost by default, but he's really not that good.

 

Sheets is the only Brewers-developed pitcher in recent memory who was truly great.

 

There's a part about Fip that generally sends some disbeliefs in accuracy. You see numbers and certain affects it seems. HRs and Ks. Lower ERA but Higher HR/lower than 8 K rate? Fip jumps. Low HR/high K Fip is lower. Pitching in launching pad that is MP gives me some I don't really believe this Fip number if he's pitching in LA or SD type of ballparks. Junior Guerra's numbers prior to today are fairly close to Nelson. 3.2Fip 1HR allowed. I'll be interested to see where his Fip goes after another HR given up but 11ks today. Nelson pitching to 7.1hits/9 is impressive. Any starter that doesn't give up 8.5+ to me depending on BB/9 stands to be better than a Peralta who's 9.7+ on his career.

 

Johnny Cueto in 2014 had a 3.3Fip to a 2.25ERA. 22HRs but 6.2hit/9

2013 3.81Fip to 2.82ERA (60IP/ 7HRs) 6.8hits/9.

2012 3.21Fip to 2.78ERA 15HRs but 8.5hits/9 Less HRs and Ks/9 but higher Hits and the closest his ERA resembled Fip.

 

Nelson keeps producing under 8hits/9 he will outproduce his Fip continually. Half a year of Cueto netted Brandon Finnegan, Cody Redd, and John Lamb. 3 SPs. A trade of Nelson had better beat that if I'm even considering a trade of him. Mentioned Red Sox. Devers, Benintendi, Kopech, and Trey Ball would be my asking.