2016-04-30 Marlins (Chen) at Brewers (Anderson), 6:10 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 7-5]

[JohnBriggs12]

Hill/Flores and Hernan have Brewers back in this one. Hill isn't going to hit sub .200 with the way he's swinging.

[SomewhereInTime]

This team is going to give the 2002 Brewers a run for their money. We are that bad.

 

Probably. I had them pegged at 62-100 prior to the season, but I also assumed our rotation would be decent and Luc would be gone.

 

By playing guys that aren't going to be meaningful parts of the future other than Nelson, Santana, and maybe Jeffries, the MLB team is tanking, not rebuilding.

 

The plan is working.

 

 

Tanking is synonymous with rebuilding. We're not in the building part of the plan yet, this is ground level. We still are trading pieces away and looking to rack up a few high draft picks. This year and the next couple of years will feature a lot of placeholders just filling a major league roster spot for a little while simply because you have to put someone in the big leagues and it wouldn't be a good idea to rush minor leaguers up to the big leagues when they're not ready.

[adambr2]

This team is going to give the 2002 Brewers a run for their money. We are that bad.

 

This team is not going to lose 106 games...or even close to that unless we trade Lucroy/Braun and trot out the worst offense in history. We have pitchers with 7+ERAs and that isn't going to last. We are not well over 100 losses bad.

 

I'm not saying they'll lose 106, but I don't think its impossible. I'd put the over/under at 100 at this point. The pitching should improve, but the lineup hasn't really been much worse than expected overall. Braun isn't likely to continue to OPS over 1.000. Most of our wins have been very narrow ones, and Jeffress hasn't blown a save. We're actually fortunate to have 8 wins right now. We haven't been unlucky to this point, just bad.

[Boomer5]

At 8-15 they are on pace for 106 losses.

[scuttlebutts]

Who on this team knows how to evaluate talent?

[brewcrewdue80]

It's last day of April. The month of May won't change much. But come June that's when you expect the cutoff of Super 2 status. June will also spark the lead up to trades for July. The moves will come then. This trial will be over and newer ones begun....but with guys who have higher ceilings.

[Outlander]

We are not well over 100 losses bad.

Not picking on you Plush but don't really understand why so many make similar statements like this with so much confidence. I mean it is real hard to lose 100 games but certainly a real possibility if you have seen this team play. I'm sure some of the better players will be traded as well so it might not get better.

[endaround]

It's last day of April. The month of May won't change much. But come June that's when you expect the cutoff of Super 2 status. June will also spark the lead up to trades for July. The moves will come then. This trial will be over and newer ones begun....but with guys who have higher ceilings.

 

Nobody of any real talent is coming up this year, unless you count Guerra but then he isn't coming up to be part of the future. There is not any point in doing so. And its not like any Brewer position player is having a good enough year that should definitely have them come up. Roache likely should be promoted to AAA soon and maybe he'll be in Milwaukee at the end of the year if he continues to perform and Braun gets traded(or hurt). Outside of that? Broxton is doing OK but his K rate is still scary for an 800 OPS in Colorado. Reed is hitting for no power and projects worse than Flores. Perez is already on the Brewers.

[brewcrewdue80]

I'm thinking Arcia and Phillips will debut. Hader too. Lopez should get some starts. Reed, Liriano, Davies, Magnifico. I'm not worried about starting Arcia/Phillips clock post Super 2 status. They will be contract extenders beyond the team control at some point. Villar or Gennett I see one being traded away in July as some team will have a need for middle infield. That will open the door for Arcia. The lack of CF performance is what opens the door for Phillips.

[1992casey]

I wouldn't get too bent about Super Two, but somewhere along the line, it'd be beneficial to get a seventh year of team control.

[endaround]

I wouldn't get too bent about Super Two, but somewhere along the line, it'd be beneficial to get a seventh year of team control.

 

Yep. And that means next May at the earliest given Arcia is not banging down the door and Phillips needs to improve to avoid repeating AA.

[1992casey]

A player with no previous service time needs at least 20 days in the minors to avoid accruing a full season of major league service time. But if player has come up in September or has had any kind of cup of coffee, you have more days to chew up to gain that extra year.

[brewcrewdue80]

I wouldn't get too bent about Super Two, but somewhere along the line, it'd be beneficial to get a seventh year of team control.

 

Which at this point would be the case with any call-up. Now waiting til September to call them up and only get 30days out the prospect is wasting the 1st year by holding him down so long. I don't see how Arcia isn't knocking at the door he's batting above .300 appears to have hit his 3rd HR already. He's been ML ready defensively since 2014. What does he need to prove with ABs? He proved last year it's a lot better than anyone was expecting, and at this point having hit 3HRs and at 5:8 BB/K he's not striking out at an alarming rate so his .300BA should be something to reach at the ML level.

 

Super 2 just is 4 years of Arb after the first 3years of control. Bring up Arcia now we will have pre arb 2016,17,18. First year of Arb 19,20,21,22 4 year of Arb. It's 7years of team control 6full plus what's left of this season. Now, again this matters if you honestly foresee the team going year to year with him which I do not. He's a franchise player. He'll be extended well beyond the 7years. The Super 2 part though if he'd qualify by being called up before it's cutoff would give his agent probably another 7-15million in talks of value.

Don't call him up this season you have to wait til June again to avoid Super 2 next season. Call him up in May and he's a Super 2. Yes with team control til 2023 but he'll be more expensive than calling up in July this year. Now let's get Arcia batting .400 in AAA late August now what? Keeping him down would be bad for negotiations. Especially if you don't bring him up in Sept. and wait til you gain that 7th year like the Kris Bryant debacle last year. You do that to me, as I hope Bryant's agent does, I won't deal with you on an extension. Going to do the 7years and test Free Agency. With asinine Arb numbers.

So he does bat up to .400 come Aug and you do the right thing promote him. Well, you've got him for 7seasons til 2022. But you've lost out on Aug/July and parts of June to see him play. Heck looking up Super 2 it may not even require a June wait but somepoint in May.

Yes there are those that should be held down in the upcoming seasons for team control. But to start this rebuild with your #1 prospect and put controversy over his service clock is going to leave a bad taste in the future prospects/agent's mouths. This is a Franchise name much as Braun is/was. I'd expect 10seasons out of Arcia. Maybe more but 10 minimum. You want to see him get a start at 21? Or see him finish his 10years at age 32? Think age 21 will be more exciting than age 32.