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2016-04-28 Brewers (Jungmann) at Cubs (Arrieta), 1:20 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 7-2]

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With good pitchers like Arrieta it is best practice to try to do less. It always amazes me that guys swing out of their shoes when things get ramped up a bit. Have some composure. Sometimes less is more.

 

 

I guess at least we got him to throw 31 pitches in the first.

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Odd question, let's say they played last night and the game got called after 6 or 7 like the Twins game. 6-0 Cubs win and Brewers have 0 hits. Does it count as a no-hitter?

 

Doesn't look like it. A simple google search found this website.

 

There used to be 50 more no-hitters on the record books, but in September 1991 the Committee for Statistical Accuracy, chaired by then MLB Commissioner Fay Vincent, changed the official definition of a no hitter, declaring it a game of nine innings or more that ends with no hits. That leaves 295 sanctioned no-hitters (273 in the A.L. and N.L.),

 

There were no hitters called for darkness or weather that don't count. Also no-hitters against the home team, but the home team led after 8 innings thus the game ended. And other fun non-no-hitters.

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Odd question, let's say they played last night and the game got called after 6 or 7 like the Twins game. 6-0 Cubs win and Brewers have 0 hits. Does it count as a no-hitter?

 

Not by definition. No hitters and perfect games must be 9 innings

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Welp, there's the depth of the Cubs. They load em up and don't miss. We load em up and K - K, glad I don't have to do a third.
"This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
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Jungmann could be out of the inning if Hill were able to snag that foul pop up. Tough play but it hit his glove.
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Odd question, let's say they played last night and the game got called after 6 or 7 like the Twins game. 6-0 Cubs win and Brewers have 0 hits. Does it count as a no-hitter?

 

Not by definition. No hitters and perfect games must be 9 innings

 

Actually no hitters need to be 9 innings or more and complete games. So some famous games that are not no hitter include

the Harvey Haddix game (at County Stadium), 12 perfect innings but then gave up hits in the 13th

the Andy Hawkins game, lost a no hitter as the away team so he did not pitch in the 9th

the Pedro Martinez game, perfect through 9 but his team did not score, gave up a hit in the 10th

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There were no hitters called for darkness or weather that don't count. Also no-hitters against the home team, but the home team led after 8 innings thus the game ended. And other fun non-no-hitters.

So… if a starting pitcher loses a game in the top of the tenth inning without giving up a hit, is that still a no-hitter because he's met the 9-inning requirement?

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When David Ross is pimpin dingers off you, you know you have some work to do.
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Roses destroyed that ball......

 

At this point they are doing Jungmann no favors by not sending him down

 

 

Send him down to where? AAA in Colorado Springs where no pitcher ever does well? Really makes no difference at this point.

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Ross destroyed that ball......

 

At this point they are doing Jungmann no favors by not sending him down

 

They are doing him and the team no favors by starting him every 5 days. It's time to go back to AAA. Lopez is scheduled to start tonight. He'd fit right in the rotation. Even though his results have been poor so far, we've seen guys struggle there and come up and do okay.

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At this point I won't be making a trip to Miller Park unless I know Nelson is pitching.
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Ross destroyed that ball......

 

At this point they are doing Jungmann no favors by not sending him down

 

They are doing him and the team no favors by starting him every 5 days. It's time to go back to AAA. Lopez is scheduled to start tonight. He'd fit right in the rotation. Even though his results have been poor so far, we've seen guys struggle there and come up and do okay.

 

Yeah, just like Jungmann.

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There were no hitters called for darkness or weather that don't count. Also no-hitters against the home team, but the home team led after 8 innings thus the game ended. And other fun non-no-hitters.

So… if a starting pitcher loses a game in the top of the tenth inning without giving up a hit, is that still a no-hitter because he's met the 9-inning requirement?

 

I would guess so. No examples of it happening that I could find, but that seems to fit the requirements. Ken Johnson lost in 9 innings in 1964, but the game only went 9 innings.

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There were no hitters called for darkness or weather that don't count. Also no-hitters against the home team, but the home team led after 8 innings thus the game ended. And other fun non-no-hitters.

So… if a starting pitcher loses a game in the top of the tenth inning without giving up a hit, is that still a no-hitter because he's met the 9-inning requirement?

 

I would guess so. No examples of it happening that I could find, but that seems to fit the requirements. Ken Johnson lost in 9 innings in 1964, but the game only went 9 innings.

 

It is not a no-hitter, I posed a few examples earlier. The Harvey Haddix game is the most famous, he pitch 12 perfect innings, but allowed a walk-off hit in the 13th and is not credited with a no-hitter.

 

Same thing with Pedro in 1995, 9 perfect innings, allowed a hit in the 10th, no no-hitter.

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Those all allowed hits though. The question that was posed, that I also don't have an answer to, is what if they don't allow a hit? So say the final stat line is: Pitcher A. L. 9 IP 0 h 1 R 1 ER 4 BB. Is it still a no hitter? I would think probably?
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Regarding the rule change for no-hitters that occurred, IIRC it was the Andy Hawkins game that prompted the rule change. 8 inning no-hitter, but he walked a bunch and ended up losing 4-0, I think.

 

Also, for you Seinfeld fans, I feel like the way Jungmann is pitching I now say his name the same way Jerry used to say Newman. You know, Jungmann!

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