Braun trade value now

[tmwiese55]

Look at how many Red Sox have gone to the Yankees and vice versa. Fans get over it, that stuff really doesn't matter after the first gut reaction. If Braun hits like he is now he'll be embraced but would have a shorter leash with fans than someone else I suppose. I hope they take the PED high ground while loving them some Sammy down there.

[brewcrewdue80]

 

No, you get the best value you can. Limiting a trade for a tor starter really limits your options. There's 3 or 4 years to find starting pitchers. As for schwarber, he could play 1b if necessary. Hes very young, acl Inst a huge deal to me.

 

If we are to get a TOR prospect he's likely 2-3 years away. That's why you gotta get them in these two trades. If it limits our options so be it. The team that has the TOR are the winners in acquiring Braun or Lucroy. Braun already comes with the Clause that limits to begin with. It's not like the Brewers have just til this deadline to make a trade of either or forever hold on to them. Set your price and wait. We won't get TOR in any other way aside from development of own. And as of today it is barren of that potential. Don't get the TOR, this team is beyond 2020 before becoming competitive and playoff talking. And at that point we're having to recycle the Santana's and Nelson's.

[Roderick]

I think it's pretty routine for players to annually name the teams that they can be traded to. In Ryan's case, it's pretty apparent that he prefers teams that are close to home.

 

What was the deal with K-Rod? There was an oddity about his approved teams when he was traded to Milwaukee. Did he forget to submit his annual list or something? The only thing I recall was that the Brewers were on his no trade list at one point because they had Trevor Hoffman.

 

I remember an agent didn't submit a list of no-trade teams by the deadline and was fired by the player. But I don't even remember which player that was anymore.

[1992casey]

It was probably Rodriguez.

 

K-Rod reaches settlement against former agent

 

Rodriguez, who declined comment, said he was unaware his no-trade clause was never filed with the New York Mets until he was traded July 12, 2011 to the Milwaukee Brewers.

[FVBrewerFan]

 

No, you get the best value you can. Limiting a trade for a tor starter really limits your options. There's 3 or 4 years to find starting pitchers. As for schwarber, he could play 1b if necessary. Hes very young, acl Inst a huge deal to me.

 

If we are to get a TOR prospect he's likely 2-3 years away. That's why you gotta get them in these two trades. If it limits our options so be it. The team that has the TOR are the winners in acquiring Braun or Lucroy. Braun already comes with the Clause that limits to begin with. It's not like the Brewers have just til this deadline to make a trade of either or forever hold on to them. Set your price and wait. We won't get TOR in any other way aside from development of own. And as of today it is barren of that potential. Don't get the TOR, this team is beyond 2020 before becoming competitive and playoff talking. And at that point we're having to recycle the Santana's and Nelson's.

 

I get what you're saying. Ideally you get a TOR starter in return for Lucroy/Braun or both....get two of them. But teams are very unlikely to give up those guys in any trade, and they may be willing to give up Top 10-25 type talent position players.

 

So I wouldn't turn down a Schwarber, for example, for a guy who COULD be TOR type starter, but far from automatic. The Brewers have just started the rebuild, it's way too early to turn down the best deal for a deal to acquire starting pitching.

 

Could that mean the rebuild goes beyond 2020? Sure. But that was likely to happen anyhow. We could very well have TOR starters in Brevard, Appleton, Helena. Plus several pitchers who are injured that have that ceiling. At this stage, you acquire the best talent you can and worry about specific position a couple years from now. It is painful, it will seem like it takes forever, but it is the best way to rebuild.

[JohnBriggs12]

A healthy Schwarber for Braun? Absolutely. But given that his knee injury was extensive, I'm reminded of Mat Gamel who was never able to come back despite several attempts and is now out of baseball. That the Cubs would be sniffing around for a bat they'd control for a while tells me they aren't sure about Schwarber's ability to return to full health either.

[MrTPlush]

If you're a GM and you're worried about what your fans think, you should be fired.

 

Well you kind of do since they are the ones that spend the money to watch the baseball games and the only reason it exists. If your fans are going to hate your new shiny player with a passion that really isn't something you want. You also run the risk if Braun doesn't live up to expectations. That would be one ugly situation.

 

And while players do switch teams and go to their rivals that almost always happens in Free Agency not by trade. They also usually are not former PED users that lied and are so strongly hated. The hate Cub's fans have for Ryan Braun is up there for worst in sports.

 

So if you are a GM sitting at your desk considering this kind of move these things can play a role. The negative attention it would bring the organization would be pretty substantial. You also aren't likely to have fans go out and buy a bunch of his merchandise so that doesn't make matters any better. The Cubs would be pretty ill-advised to make such a move. They would be better off going with a different option and avoiding the risk and circus Braun brings to the table.

[tmwiese55]

Almost all PED users lie when they're initially caught.

[1992casey]

If you read [cite]Baseball Maverick: How Sandy Alderson Revolutionized Baseball and Revived the Mets[/cite], you'll see that GMs are very much concerned about the fans. Hopefully, it's a matter of GMs selling the fans on their plans, likely with the help of the press.

[FVBrewerFan]

If you're a GM and you're worried about what your fans think, you should be fired.

 

Well you kind of do since they are the ones that spend the money to watch the baseball games and the only reason it exists. If your fans are going to hate your new shiny player with a passion that really isn't something you want. You also run the risk if Braun doesn't live up to expectations. That would be one ugly situation.

 

And while players do switch teams and go to their rivals that almost always happens in Free Agency not by trade. They also usually are not former PED users that lied and are so strongly hated. The hate Cub's fans have for Ryan Braun is up there for worst in sports.

 

So if you are a GM sitting at your desk considering this kind of move these things can play a role. The negative attention it would bring the organization would be pretty substantial. You also aren't likely to have fans go out and buy a bunch of his merchandise so that doesn't make matters any better. The Cubs would be pretty ill-advised to make such a move. They would be better off going with a different option and avoiding the risk and circus Braun brings to the table.

 

You listed some good reasons earlier why this trade would be very difficult, I just don't think fan reaction is one of them. ARam was hated by Brewer fans with a passion. The minute he put on a Brewer uniform, he got standing ovations. Garza was hated, but everyone was excited when the Brewers signed him.

 

Could go on and on. Most Cubs fans don't even really "hate" Braun, they just have fun with the chants and everything. You don't think Scrub fans, of all people, wouldn't be buying his jerseys when he hits his first HR as a Cub? We all know they would bandwagon in a heartbeart.

[brewcrewdue80]

The reason I'm so focused to getting a TOR is that look at the standings. Cubs-Arrieta,Lester. White Sox-Sale-Quintana. Washington-Strasburg/Scherzer. Mets-Everyone but Colon. Seattle-Felix and Walker? Baltimore you could say Gausman. Pitts has Cole+future. StL had Wainwright, now Wacha/Martinez. Kershaw, Bumgarner, Grienke, Cueto.

We're 8th in Runs scored. 6th worst record in standings. Scoring runs is great but it doesn't get you far when your team has #4/5s filling out your rotation and they aren't meeting expectations. It's just the knowledge that the team cannot afford TOR on the market. #3s? yes. We gotta fill the farm with as many pitching hopefuls as possible just to increase the chances of hitting on 1. One Ace can lead a club quite far just on his own. It's not just their performance, but also the trickle down effect it gives to the Bullpen.

[MrTPlush]

Almost all PED users lie when they're initially caught.

 

I'm really not going to divulge into the whole PED thing, but we all know Braun is hated 100x worse for what he did. That's just how it is whether you think it is right or wrong.

[Oldcity]

I definitely think a trade with the Cubs could work, but I don't think Schwarber is the best target. By the time he plays for the Brewers, he could only have four years of service time remaining. Adding that to question marks about his injury (he'll probably be fine long term, I admit) and the fact that he can really only play first base, and that really lowers his value for a rebuilding team like the Brewers.

[tmwiese55]

Nobody really cares about PEDs other than the media. Road fans will boo him and joke on him for it because he's famous enough that they know. It's just something to heckle a guy about, just like if he was married to a Kardashian or had some other famous thing or scandal to pick on him about. No one cares about PEDs.

 

I won't deny that the media has made it more well know therefore more people will rag on him for it though. He didn't do anything different than anyone else though. There wouldn't be an as you call it "hatred" for say Nelson Cruz if they traded for him just because the media doesn't talk about him.

 

All I'm saying is the PED thing doesn't matter anymore in this discussion and overall fan dislike for a rival player goes away quickly too as others mentioned. The key factors in this are his age, injuries, contract. Not this ESPN talking head bs.

 

Edit: also factor in that many many Cubs fans are bandwagon idiots so most aren't even aware of the PED thing. They're just there to have a good time.

[tmwiese55]

I definitely think a trade with the Cubs could work, but I don't think Schwarber is the best target. By the time he plays for the Brewers, he could only have four years of service time remaining. Adding that to question marks about his injury (he'll probably be fine long term, I admit) and the fact that he can really only play first base, and that really lowers his value for a rebuilding team like the Brewers.

 

I get your points but would only agree if it was a straight up trade. Him as the #1 guy combined with some lower level in the minors guys and you're onto something. MKE also does have a glaring need at 1B so to us that's not an issue.

[FVBrewerFan]

The reason I'm so focused to getting a TOR is that look at the standings. Cubs-Arrieta,Lester. White Sox-Sale-Quintana. Washington-Strasburg/Scherzer. Mets-Everyone but Colon. Seattle-Felix and Walker? Baltimore you could say Gausman. Pitts has Cole+future. StL had Wainwright, now Wacha/Martinez. Kershaw, Bumgarner, Grienke, Cueto.

We're 8th in Runs scored. 6th worst record in standings. Scoring runs is great but it doesn't get you far when your team has #4/5s filling out your rotation and they aren't meeting expectations. It's just the knowledge that the team cannot afford TOR on the market. #3s? yes. We gotta fill the farm with as many pitching hopefuls as possible just to increase the chances of hitting on 1. One Ace can lead a club quite far just on his own. It's not just their performance, but also the trickle down effect it gives to the Bullpen.

 

Nobody questions the current rotation is pathetic. They need to improve, whether we use the term TOR starter, an ace, whatever. Bottom line, it needs to get much better. The Brewers are likely to never have a #1 and #2 at the same level as the big money teams. But KC proved you can still win it all anyhow.

 

Stearns has been stocking the farm with pitching talent. Any future TOR starters? Too early to tell, many are still very young. And he will continue to accumulate pitching talent. All I'm saying is you don't go into a trade at this stage of the rebuild only looking for pitching.

[Boomer5]

It would take one 2-4 day for the Cubs fans to like Braun. I doubt the Cubs avoid adding him for fear the fans wont like him. They are having a great season so there is very little bad vibes adding a 1000 ops player even one that was a rival.

 

If they view Braun as the piece that gets them a WS, no one will be upset.

[StearnsFTW]

If you're a GM and you're worried about what your fans think, you should be fired.

 

Well you kind of do since they are the ones that spend the money to watch the baseball games and the only reason it exists. If your fans are going to hate your new shiny player with a passion that really isn't something you want. You also run the risk if Braun doesn't live up to expectations. That would be one ugly situation.

 

And while players do switch teams and go to their rivals that almost always happens in Free Agency not by trade. They also usually are not former PED users that lied and are so strongly hated. The hate Cub's fans have for Ryan Braun is up there for worst in sports.

 

So if you are a GM sitting at your desk considering this kind of move these things can play a role. The negative attention it would bring the organization would be pretty substantial. You also aren't likely to have fans go out and buy a bunch of his merchandise so that doesn't make matters any better. The Cubs would be pretty ill-advised to make such a move. They would be better off going with a different option and avoiding the risk and circus Braun brings to the table.

 

You listed some good reasons earlier why this trade would be very difficult, I just don't think fan reaction is one of them. ARam was hated by Brewer fans with a passion. The minute he put on a Brewer uniform, he got standing ovations. Garza was hated, but everyone was excited when the Brewers signed him.

 

Could go on and on. Most Cubs fans don't even really "hate" Braun, they just have fun with the chants and everything. You don't think Scrub fans, of all people, wouldn't be buying his jerseys when he hits his first HR as a Cub? We all know they would bandwagon in a heartbeart.

 

This is the most accurate post in the thread.

 

FTR, I think there's a less than 1% chance this deal would ever happen, but none of it is because of how Cubs' fans would react.

[statman0007]

It's cold and rainy in Milwaukee, feels like a good day to play armchair GM. It seems like Washington is one of the most popular landing spots for Braun. Would you/do you think both teams would do the following:

 

Washington receives: Ryan Braun + Blazek

 

Milwaukee receives: Jayson Werth, Trea Turner, Joan Baez

[pacopete4]

I wish there was a way to snag Julio Urias from LA for Braun but it might be too late in the process as Urias might be up in the next couple of months. LA needs help offensively and is on Braun's places he would be okay with going.

[billymac]

I wish there was a way to snag Julio Urias from LA for Braun but it might be too late in the process as Urias might be up in the next couple of months. LA needs help offensively and is on Braun's places he would be okay with going.

 

They need bullpen help too...although I don't think there is a way they would trade him, Braun and any one of our current healthy relievers for Urias and lower level pitching prospect.

[jerichoholicninja]

It's cold and rainy in Milwaukee, feels like a good day to play armchair GM. It seems like Washington is one of the most popular landing spots for Braun. Would you/do you think both teams would do the following:

 

Washington receives: Ryan Braun + Blazek

 

Milwaukee receives: Jayson Werth, Trea Turner, Joan Baez

 

If we're trading Braun I want more than a folk singer from the 60's in return.

[MilwaukeesBest]

Those three and Tina Turner, perhaps?

[Madhawk23]

Am I completely off base for wanting more than Werth (obviously just a throw-in and salary dump), Turner and Baez for Braun? I realize the PED history and the nagging injuries in recent years, but I think he's proving this year that he's still one of the best hitters in baseball when he's healthy. I know Turner is highly regarded, but is a 2B really the cornerstone piece that we want back for Braun in a trade?

 

Is there any realistic way that the Nats might be willing to part with Giolito? I see that he's off to a bit of a so-so start in AAA this year, so maybe his value is going down a bit?

 

How about: Braun and either Jeffress/Smith (if he comes back healthy) for Werth, Giolito, Baez and Anderson Franco.

 

Is this an absolute pipe dream? Nats fill a huge hole in LF and provide much needed lineup protection for Harper, while also getting a power late inning bullpen arm that is controllable for awhile. We get our potential TOR starter (may not be a top priority for the Nats now after signing Strasburg), and then a couple of young high ceiling/low floor teenagers. Of course, I'd gladly exchange those two teenagers for either Tuner or Robles, but I realize that is probably taking it a bit too far!

[pacopete4]

Am I completely off base for wanting more than Werth (obviously just a throw-in and salary dump), Turner and Baez for Braun?

 

 

Nope. Not one bit. It is comical how some will undervalue him because of PED's. That's their broken hearts speaking more than it is anything. Braun is a monster hitter that any team would love to park in their 3-hole.