Braun trade value now

[MrTPlush]

And if everything goes right we can maybe grab a wildcard in 2018! You know the last time I heard that? 2015 and the rest is history.

 

Hader has better chance to be in the bullpen than in the rotation...none the less a #2. Nottingham's defense is questionable and he may not even stick at catcher. Let's not forget he is hitting .159 on the year, but hey he is on a hot streak hitting .167 in his last 10 games. You are also hoping all these players hit the majors running and no one busts or doesn't fully live up to expectations.

 

If you think everything can go perfect maybe we can compete in 2018 or 2019, but that is just unrealistic because things don't go perfectly.

[adambr2]

Let's say we are set to contend again in 2018 which I think is a really optimistic outlook. I think we can all agree we're not there yet next year.

 

Braun will turn 35 in 2018. To want to keep him for our next window assumes a few things :

 

1) He will age well enough to still be extremely productive at 35

2) We're going to be contenders again when he's 35 (again, this is best case scenario with pretty much all of our near MLB prospects being quickly productive ).

3) He will continue to stay healthy, which he's had trouble doing in recent years, and he's been much less effective when not healthy.

 

I just think the odds of all those things happening are pretty slim. If Braun indeed becomes a huge trade chip once again, the much safer bet is to take the haul of prospects for him to reload for the next run, and use the extra money saved from Braun when we are indeed ready to contend again.

 

Even great players can hit a wall quickly in their 30s, especially ones with an injury history, and it wouldn't take long for him to go from a huge trade chip to having negative value and a lot of dead money late in his 30s.

[Austin Tatious]

The last I checked, Gatewood, Harrison, Coulter, Isan Diaz, and Nottingham were all scuffling badly. Hader has a sparkling era but cannot eat up innings. Lopez and Medeiros have elevated era's. Ponce has been hurt. Kirby is out for the year. It's still a small sample size but the bulk of our high profile prospects couldn't be off to a more disappointing start.

 

We saw it from 1993-2004. Rebuilds often don't work.

 

I'd agree with the sentiment that three years would be do-able if everything pans out.

[Boomer5]

And if everything goes right we can maybe grab a wildcard in 2018! You know the last time I heard that? 2015 and the rest is history.

 

Hader has better chance to be in the bullpen than in the rotation...none the less a #2. Nottingham's defense is questionable and he may not even stick at catcher. Let's not forget he is hitting .159 on the year, but hey he is on a hot streak hitting .167 in his last 10 games. You are also hoping all these players hit the majors running and no one busts or doesn't fully live up to expectations.

 

If you think everything can go perfect maybe we can compete in 2018 or 2019, but that is just unrealistic because things don't go perfectly.

 

This is why a Braun trade needs to happen. The key prospects have for the most part badly underwhelmed. Hader is going to be a 2/3 so I feel good about him. Phillips and Arcia look to be good starters but they arent like Prince/Braun level at their respective positions. Guys like Nottingham and Kodi look overmatched at their levels.

[Outlander]

Braun has a late birthday so 2018 is his age 34 season, will be 34 for the whole season.

[reillymcshane]

Right, also the line-up is far from set in 2017/2018. You can say "just add Arcia and Phillips" but remember they'll also be subtracting Lucroy and Carter.

I believe we have two more years (through 2018) of control on Carter through arbitration.

[stoutdude04]

I was just reading that Braun has readjusted his no-trade clause. There are a few more teams on the West Coast and he took off a few teams from the south/east.

[FVBrewerFan]

Right, also the line-up is far from set in 2017/2018. You can say "just add Arcia and Phillips" but remember they'll also be subtracting Lucroy and Carter.

I believe we have two more years (through 2018) of control on Carter through arbitration.

 

True, but my comment was made assuming Lucroy and Carter will be traded later this year.

[pacopete4]

Poor timing for Braun's back to flair up. He's red hot and trade buzz is surrounding him. We'll see how much it hampers him moving forward or if this is just a case of some soreness from playing mostly every day.

[sveumrules]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/finding-a-trade-partner-for-ryan-braun/

 

Dave Cameron speculates upon possible Braun suitors today.

[MrTPlush]

Poor timing for Braun's back to flair up. He's red hot and trade buzz is surrounding him. We'll see how much it hampers him moving forward or if this is just a case of some soreness from playing mostly every day.

 

Last I checked this is what was said:

 

[MrTPlush]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/finding-a-trade-partner-for-ryan-braun/

 

Dave Cameron speculates upon possible Braun suitors today.

 

We could sit here for months talking about different trade possibilities with the Boston Red Sox. So many different ways to trade with them.

 

From the sounds of it a healthy and productive Braun is likely to be on the move come July.

[QuevedosTongue]

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/175822100/brewers-ryan-braun-rebuilding-trade-value

 

Mike Petriello also ponders possible trade suitors for Braun. Interesting to note that Braun's wRC+ over the last calendar year is almost identical to his career mark.

[Oldcity]

Underwhelmed by that Cameron article. Very much focused on how Braun fits in with other teams and much less on what they could offer the Brewers. Most of the teams he mentions would have little to no chance at Braun.

[pacopete4]

Underwhelmed by that Cameron article. Very much focused on how Braun fits in with other teams and much less on what they could offer the Brewers. Most of the teams he mentions would have little to no chance at Braun.

 

 

That's because to most of the MLB, the Brewers organization is a farm club for those other more "exciting" large markets. They could careless what the Brewers get in return. We should have just been happy that we were lucky enough to of drafted him in the first place.

[Boomer5]

Underwhelmed by that Cameron article. Very much focused on how Braun fits in with other teams and much less on what they could offer the Brewers. Most of the teams he mentions would have little to no chance at Braun.

 

 

That's because to most of the MLB, the Brewers organization is a farm club for those other more "exciting" large markets. They could careless what the Brewers get in return. We should have just been happy that we were lucky enough to of drafted him in the first place.

 

That about sums up that article. I take it as a plus that his value is getting tempting to pick up a sweet prospect package though.

[JohnBriggs12]

And if everything goes right we can maybe grab a wildcard in 2018! You know the last time I heard that? 2015 and the rest is history.

 

Hader has better chance to be in the bullpen than in the rotation...none the less a #2. Nottingham's defense is questionable and he may not even stick at catcher. Let's not forget he is hitting .159 on the year, but hey he is on a hot streak hitting .167 in his last 10 games. You are also hoping all these players hit the majors running and no one busts or doesn't fully live up to expectations.

 

If you think everything can go perfect maybe we can compete in 2018 or 2019, but that is just unrealistic because things don't go perfectly.

 

All plans are based on hope. Since when can anyone guaranty anything in sports, particularly baseball? The Astros were supposed to be this great up and coming team, a consensus pick to with their division this year after making the playoffs last year. Where are they? They look like the 2015 Brewers. Nobody knows what the team or the division will look like in 4-6 years from now. Just because a system has a lot of promising talent, it guarantees nothing.

 

The fact is teams who would like to deal for Braun will consider picking up his contract to be the main cost for them. They won't also give back premier talent. So dealing Braun might save the Brewers from some dead money in 2020 but it won't likely make them better on the field unless the money is used to buy premier talent and with the cost of premier talent, it's not enough. In the meantime, it will make them a lot worse and your prophesy that they won't be able to compete in 2018, a self fulfilling one.

[mlloyd10]

Rusney Castillo / Swihart / Espinoza for Lucroy / Braun?

[JohnBriggs12]

Look the reason articles like this don't mention what the Brewers could expect in return is simple. The Brewers will save money. Period. Teams won't expect to have to pick up his contract and give any value in players back in return too. It doesn't work that way. Oh they'll include a B level prospect or maybe a back end of the rotation starter or maybe somebody's who's overpaid on their roster, but that's it. That's why Lucroy is a better trade asset if you want talent back that might make you better in the long run.

 

National writers don't realize is the Braun's contract is not a burden in any way for the Brewers who've already cut their payroll down to lowest levels in what a decade? So Brewers aren't or shouldn't be interested in moving Braun just to get out from under the contract. When they ask for a top prospect, teams will shy away.

 

I say lets enjoy Braun's fine season for what it is. Fun to watch! Let's not get caught up thinking trading him will find them the next Clayton Kershaw. That ship sailed when he signed his big money extension a few years ago. We can hope Braun's excellence lasts until this team has added some premier talent around him and is competitive again. There's a reasonable case that it can happen before Braun's skills have fallen off too much.

[Oldcity]

Except that it's been widely speculated that the Brewers would pay a sizable amount of Braun's salary in order to gain a impact return in prospects/players. So no, they would not just be gaining money.

[MrTPlush]

Except that it's been widely speculated that the Brewers would pay a sizable amount of Braun's salary in order to gain a impact return in prospects/players. So no, they would not just be gaining money.

 

Where was this? Last time I heard money mentioned they didn't want to pay a dime.

[MrTPlush]

Teams won't expect to have to pick up his contract and give any value in players back in return too. It doesn't work that way.

 

This trade says hi:

 

http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/07/30/cole-hamels-trade-rangers-rotation-prospects-phillies

[brewerfan82]

I think the lack of specifics on the possible return at this point has little to do with what the value of that return could be and is just simply, outside of Milwaukee, that's not the story people are looking to read right now. People know who Ryan Braun is, the possibility of him changing teams and considering which teams might add him is enough to write a story about right now. There are just too many teams, scenarios and prospects, whom most people don't even know, to discuss at this point in a way that would be interesting to a national audience. If actual discussions start taking place with a couple select teams, I'm sure stories will start coming out with how much of Braun's contract the Brewers are willing to pick up and what players the other teams may be willing to include in a package. But until then, that's probably not catering to the majority of these guys' readers.

[MrTPlush]

Most of the teams he mentions would have little to no chance at Braun.

 

-Red Sox, White Sox, Nationals, Dodgers all could do it easily.

-Orioles and Seattle probably not.

-Angels...no, but he mentioned that.

 

Seems like most could do it and maybe some long shots if his value isn't as high as we think it is. There was only one team that has no chance.

[brewcrewdue80]

Lucroy is covered by Nottingham?? Good example of how a lot of people are projecting players into roles that are a country mile from being a given. Absolutely no way of knowing if they get pack a TOR starter for Lucroy. And then you throw in Lopez/Davies? So 3/5 of the competitive rotation you cite are not even close to being reality. And that's with looking past Hader being penciled in as an automatic.

 

I have no problem with optimism. I'm very optimistic about the future, it's just that I don't believe for a minute this team will be competing for the playoffs in 2017 or 2018.

 

You mistakenly took winning and being competitive as a Playoff team. As terrible as this team has appeared. we're as of now 11-15. Competitive would be .500. and winning is 82wins or more. Playoff team would be a 90win expectation to start a season. Minnesota won 83games last year. Far ahead of expectations. They are back on the losing side of things 8-19 thus far.

 

I think Plush put out a response to Nottingham backing up Lucroy. Catchers for the most part aren't good batters or amount to a big WAR number. Posey last year 6.1. Next Stephen Vogt 3.5. Russell Martin 3.5. Francisco Cervelli 3.1. After that below 3. 5players total. To be about league average he just has to produce to about 1WAR. This is a 21year old stats you're passing poor judgement to who's seeing AA pitching for the 1st time. And he has 2HRs in 19games at that. This isn't like saying Nottingham to cover Lucroy and he's 26years old with production under .200 who's seen AA a season or three. This is an exciting year for Nottingham. 21 facing AA pitching. If he were at .275+ by season's end he'd easily be a top 100 prospect in baseball. There's a chance the Brewers #1 pick is older than Nottingham. That's how far ahead he is at this stage.