Braun trade value now

[brewcrewdue80]

MLB Trade Rumors with a small update regarding Braun. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/05/cafardos-latest-braun-moore-cargo-bruce-santiago.html

 

Only the Giants of that list of teams isn't on Braun's no trade list. So take that interest for what its worth. One would imagine the only way Braun excepts a trade to a team on his list would be having his option guaranteed in 2021.

 

There are the Giants 1st rounders the last 2 seasons that are appealing. Beede, Bickford, and Chris Shaw 1b is just destroying the ball 10Hrs/17 doubles of his 55 hits. approx 190PAs. 2 of those 3 would definitely pick up the pace of the rebuild. All 3 even better

I'd take another prospect than just 2 of the 3. Could be Mac Marshall(20) or Michael Santos who's 21 as of today

[MrTPlush]

With a different injury popping up every other day I am not going to get my hopes up. Only positive thing so far is I haven't heard anything related to his thumb yet. Has to stay on the field to keep interest for him going.

[GoToHelfaer]

Yeah I'm not sure what the definition of "looks healthy" is but I don't share the view that Braun "looks it."

 

He's getting a scheduled day off and he's still missing multiple starts due to body soreness. He's got the look of a ball player that isn't aging gracefully.

 

 

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[dacrew101]

If he gets traded it would be during winter meetings imo but he can't show to stay healthy anyways so hes probably gonna be here for awhile

[adambr2]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/red-sox-among-potential-landing-161500896.html

 

That's pretty horrible, Braun and Lucroy for a trade centered around Swihart? I like how he says 'Lucroy would be included in such a trade too' like he's an afterthought.

[pacopete4]

I just wonder if they are being overly cautious with him so that he can stay healthier later into the year. I mean he did have offseason back surgery.

[MrTPlush]

I just wonder if they are being overly cautious with him so that he can stay healthier later into the year. I mean he did have offseason back surgery.

 

They have been cautious. However that is normal rest days not all the time he has missed for his neck, wrist, and some other thing I am missing. I think he missed time for his back too. They want him on pace for 140 games and I don't know if he is even on pace for 120.

[dacrew101]

Cafardo is always wrong, he's not a good source.

 

And that trade makes no sense for the Brewers obviously

[adambr2]

I like how in order to accommodate the Red Sox taking on a great player with a near 20M contract, we have to take a really horrible player with the same contract.

 

Makes sense.

[DHonks]

I think some people are overly critical. Braun should be a 120-130 game player this year, which is damn good coming off major back surgery. Why are they complaining about this?

[MrTPlush]

I think some people are overly critical. Braun should be a 120-130 game player this year, which is damn good coming off major back surgery. Why are they complaining about this?

 

Critical or not it is the same outcome. No one is going to want a crippled Braun who cannot stay on the field. Not all of his missed time is due to his back. There are many more reasons he is missing time.

[homer]

I think some people are overly critical. Braun should be a 120-130 game player this year, which is damn good coming off major back surgery. Why are they complaining about this?

 

Critical or not it is the same outcome. No one is going to want a crippled Braun who cannot stay on the field. Not all of his missed time is due to his back. There are many more reasons he is missing time.

 

Except for all the teams listed in the MLB Trade Rumors article.

 

Someone will trade for him. It's simply a matter of how much they are willing to give up in order to get a guy with his injury history.

[brewcrewdue80]

Gotta say the Giants are an interesting roster to look at. I actually wish they had more depth in the prospect system because along with Braun, the Giants could use mainly Wil Smith since he's lefty, but Jeffress would be another positive add on for them. Their current closer and closer coming in to the season, they both are FAs after the year.

Gregor Blanco and Angel Pagan are also both FAs to be so that'd be where Braun's contract fits.

 

Man their Minor League Pitching is old. Not a single Teenager. Bickford and Marshall are their youngest A ball and up. On the batting side they have 4 teenagers one 18yr old Lucious Fox who managed to be an International signee vs a draft candidate by moving out of the US back to Nassau. At 18 the Giants already have him playing A-ball. Position-wise reads SS/CF. Other 3 are 19yr olds 2b,SS,3b positions. None are off to a better than .700OPS and the 19yr old SS has just a .395OPS in 139PAs.

Their #1 ranked prospect is Christian Arroyo who lists at SS has played 2b and 3b. Honestly, somehow MLB has him at 45 in 3 tools a 60 in Bat and 55 arm and rank him #76 in top 100. I read that more as a Utility IF vs a 1st team starting Infielder. I'd easily prefer Beede/Bickford and Fox over him. Kinda like Tyrone Taylor a couple seasons back being our #2.

He probably won't be #1 by the end of the season.

 

So the list of guys becomes:

Tyler Beede, Phil Bickford, Lucious Fox, Chris Shaw, And toss ins Mac Marshall, Jalen Miller, and Sam Coonrod as about the only players I'd consider in a trade. If they have some International under 18year olds I don't know as they've yet to play.

[LouisEly]

With all of this speculation around the Dodgers possibly being a good landing spot for Braun, is there any scenario in which they'd be willing to give up Jose De Leon in the trade?

If the Brewers take Carl Crawford off of their hands, quite possibly.

 

Now, salary isn't as big of a deal to the Dodgers as Arizona, but look at what ARI had to do to get Arroyo's salary off of their hands, and that was only $14M ($9.5M + $4.5M buyout of 2016). Crawford is due $43M; that is some serious negative value.

 

Taking Braun out of the equation, what would the Dodgers have to give up to get someone to take Crawford off of their hands? Now take that and add Braun's value (keeping in mind, Justin Upton got $133M and Braun is owed $96M, so market value is likely more than what Braun is owed), and if the Brewers take Crawford in a trade then some serious value better be coming the Brewers way.

[DHonks]

I think some people are overly critical. Braun should be a 120-130 game player this year, which is damn good coming off major back surgery. Why are they complaining about this?

 

Critical or not it is the same outcome. No one is going to want a crippled Braun who cannot stay on the field. Not all of his missed time is due to his back. There are many more reasons he is missing time.

 

Except for all the teams listed in the MLB Trade Rumors article.

 

Someone will trade for him. It's simply a matter of how much they are willing to give up in order to get a guy with his injury history.

 

how are minor, nagging injuries that every player faces the same as repeatedly declaring him crippled? He's come off of complex injuries that required procedures. He is not a cripple. He's a normal ball-player that is in his 30s, only he's a hell of a lot better than most.

[MrTPlush]

Back surgery, complex thumb procedure, reoccurring hamstring problems, and reoccuring oblique injuries are just minor? I'd say most players don't have these problems. I'd also assume most players don't go into the season with a max amount of games they will start at 140.

 

He isn't Troy Tulowitzki bad, but he is nowhere near being a normal ball player health wise. His back is a big concern moving forward and I imagine the same is true about his thumb.

[pacopete4]

David Stearns: Ryan Braun is ‘going to be a Brewer for a very long time”

[Invader3K]

ie. "We've had a few tire kickers, but no one is offering anything close to what we'd want, in order to give up a franchise leading player."

 

I don't take that to me they won't trade him...just that they're not going to get rid of him for a bag of balls.

[Austin Tatious]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/red-sox-among-potential-landing-161500896.html

 

That's pretty horrible, Braun and Lucroy for a trade centered around Swihart? I like how he says 'Lucroy would be included in such a trade too' like he's an afterthought.

 

Wow the Boston writers are so generous. Braun and Lucroy for Swihart and Sandoval. That's classic mental masturbation. That's not even close to fair. The Brewers would need to add Jimmy Nelson and Will Smith for that to be closer to fair. You may need to add Jeffress to get the Bosox to actually follow through.

[splitterpfj]

The headline misquotes Stearns, he did not say Braun "is going to be a Brewer for a very long time", he said:

 

“We get interest in a number of players,” he said. “Certainly, any player who’s performing at the level that Ryan is performing, you’re going to get a level of interest. But we fully anticipate Ryan is going to be a Brewer for a very long time.”

[Point Beer Is Best]

Per Wilbur, FanGraphs suggested a deal for Braun could include the Brewers getting catcher/outfielder Blake Swihart and possibly either Rusney Castillo or Pablo Sandoval in return. Castillo or Sandoval would be included to help offset Braun’s sizable salary. The Red Sox would also get catcher Jonathan Lucroy under such a trade.

 

Good Lord, at least this was a trade suggested by a website and not a rumored deal. Our two best trade chips for two bloated contracts and a prospect? That's not Stearns MO at all. If we took on Sandoval in a salary dump (where'd they bet getting much better production for similar dollars in Braun), they'd better be getting back significant multiple prospects to take on that dead weight.

[nate82]

 

Good Lord, at least this was a trade suggested by a website and not a rumored deal. Our two best trade chips for two bloated contracts and a prospect? That's not Stearns MO at all. If we took on Sandoval in a salary dump (where'd they bet getting much better production for similar dollars in Braun), they'd better be getting back significant multiple prospects to take on that dead weight.

 

If the Brewers were taking on Sandoval in a trade just for Braun I would expect Devers and Espinoza along with Swihart and if Lucroy is in the deal Moncada and Sam Travis have to be in the deal plus others otherwise this is a no deal. The Brewers would be giving up way too much talent to be taking on Sandoval's dead weight.

[MrTPlush]

If we took on Sandoval Braun would be nearly free...and Fangraphs suggested this? And umm...Lucroy? This can't be so.

 

I have to assume he just said Swihart would be included and someone for salary relief...and more would be included. Lucroy straight up for Swihart is a joke.

[SRB]

That is truly one of the most embarrassing trade proposals I can remember seeing printed in a "legitimate" outlet. Braun is not owed substantially more than Sandoval, so we would be trading a guy with health concerns having an MVP season, for a morbidly obese guy with health concerns who, until proven otherwise, appears to have turned into literally the worst regular starter in Major League Baseball?

 

Closer to fair would be:

 

2B Yoan Moncada (Boston having eaten the signing bonus), C Blake Swihart

 

for

 

C Jonathan Lucroy, OF Ryan Braun (Boston taking on all of Braun's remaining salary)

[MrTPlush]

I looked back on the Fangraphs article. It is the one back on May 3rd we have already talked about. It didn't have much thought into it and was random. The proposed deal headlined by Swihart with secondary prospects. Then the Brewers take on money and move both Braun/Lucroy.

 

I just don't get it though. I'd think Lucroy could get that offer alone. Maybe Braun's value is lower than we can imagine...but that article is still awful.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/finding-a-trade-partner-for-ryan-braun/