Trevor Bauer

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Trevor Bauer is a pitcher I would like the Brewers to target. Yes, he has his warts (coachability questions, attitude, control) but he still can bring the heat and has #1-#2 upside and has just been relegated to the bullpen. I have no clue what the Indians would expect as a return but I would love the opportunity to acquire Bauer.

[yfinn6]

I'm sure it would take multiple young prospects, something the Brewers have but are (hopefully at this stage of the rebuild) unwilling to part with, especially for a pitcher with the warts you mentioned. No thanks.

[MrTPlush]

Not saying I am a Bauer fan or supporter of this idea, but why can't we give up prospects at this point in the rebuild? If we are adding another young controllable player it can be a good move.

 

Let's pretend the Brewers love Bauer, think they can fix him, and few him as a potential ace. If the package to get him consisted of guys like Tyrone Taylor, Michael Reed, Devin Williams, maybe Monte Harrison, or other good yet expendable prospects why not?

 

It isn't like Trevor Bauer is 28 years old or only is controllable for a few more seasons. He is young, controllable, and lots of potential. A move like that could make total sense for the right player. Not saying it is Bauer, but the idea isn't bad just because we would have to give up prospects.

[pacopete4]

Jeffress and a couple minor pieces get him?

[Jenkins5]

Not saying I am a Bauer fan or supporter of this idea, but why can't we give up prospects at this point in the rebuild? If we are adding another young controllable player it can be a good move.

 

Let's pretend the Brewers love Bauer, think they can fix him, and few him as a potential ace. If the package to get him consisted of guys like Tyrone Taylor, Michael Reed, Devin Williams, maybe Monte Harrison, or other good yet expendable prospects why not?

 

It isn't like Trevor Bauer is 28 years old or only is controllable for a few more seasons. He is young, controllable, and lots of potential. A move like that could make total sense for the right player. Not saying it is Bauer, but the idea isn't bad just because we would have to give up prospects.

 

Monte Harrison should not be considered in the same sentence as Taylor, Reed, or other expandable players. He may have the highest ceiling of any OF in our system and very well could be Lewis Brinson in 2 years. He is a guy you would be kicking yourself for, can't give up on him because he struggled with his first advanced placement at 19 in A ball.

[nate82]

A trade like this would be kind of like what the Tigers did when they got Scherzer. If it only takes someone like Jungmann or Taylor why not?

[Boomer5]

I wouldnt give up much of anything for Bauer. Yes he throws hard but has command issues. There is a reason the Indians are moving him to the pen.

 

He has a tremendous arm but obviously there is something seriously wrong with the guy. I dont think the Brewers need to trade much of anything for him IF they have any interest.

[MrTPlush]

Not saying I am a Bauer fan or supporter of this idea, but why can't we give up prospects at this point in the rebuild? If we are adding another young controllable player it can be a good move.

 

Let's pretend the Brewers love Bauer, think they can fix him, and few him as a potential ace. If the package to get him consisted of guys like Tyrone Taylor, Michael Reed, Devin Williams, maybe Monte Harrison, or other good yet expendable prospects why not?

 

It isn't like Trevor Bauer is 28 years old or only is controllable for a few more seasons. He is young, controllable, and lots of potential. A move like that could make total sense for the right player. Not saying it is Bauer, but the idea isn't bad just because we would have to give up prospects.

 

Monte Harrison should not be considered in the same sentence as Taylor, Reed, or other expandable players. He may have the highest ceiling of any OF in our system and very well could be Lewis Brinson in 2 years. He is a guy you would be kicking yourself for, can't give up on him because he struggled with his first advanced placement at 19 in A ball.

 

Monte Harrison could be put on a bus and out of town real quick if it got a player the Brewers really like. Monte Harrison has a ceiling, but also has a pretty good floor too. He is no guarantee. I don't think Stearns would hesitate to ship him out of it got him a player he really wanted.

 

Is Trevor Bauer that kind of guy? Probably not, but don't act like Harrison is untouchable. The big thing is such a situation where it makes sense for both teams is unlikely. So for that reason Harrison is unlikely to go anywhere for a long time.

[yfinn6]

Not saying I am a Bauer fan or supporter of this idea, but why can't we give up prospects at this point in the rebuild? If we are adding another young controllable player it can be a good move.

 

Let's pretend the Brewers love Bauer, think they can fix him, and few him as a potential ace. If the package to get him consisted of guys like Tyrone Taylor, Michael Reed, Devin Williams, maybe Monte Harrison, or other good yet expendable prospects why not?

 

It isn't like Trevor Bauer is 28 years old or only is controllable for a few more seasons. He is young, controllable, and lots of potential. A move like that could make total sense for the right player. Not saying it is Bauer, but the idea isn't bad just because we would have to give up prospects.

 

I never said the idea was bad.

 

I said I don't see the Brewers moving players they're trying to stockpile for a player with warts, even one that is controlled. If the player with warts were out of options and could be had for relatively nothing, then I see the Brewers taking a hard look. I'd assume most of the deals involving Brewer prospects will happen to add a piece to a club that's competing at the MLB level; or, I could see a prospect-for-prospect type deal.

 

While there could be certain deals that could be done with prospects now, I really don't see it with Bauer, so in a sense I agree with the premise of a deal like this.

[jerichoholicninja]

I know sometimes pitchers figure it out later in their career's but I think Bauer is what he is. He's doesn't strike out a ton and walks too many. Outside of 2012 his minor league numbers aren't even all that impressive. He's a middle of the rotation guy and that #1 or #2 potential ship has sailed. I guess he'd offer a slight improvement to the current MLB rotation but I think there are guys currently in the system who will be better than he is. I'm not opposed to acquiring him but I wouldn't give up much to get him.

[Boomer5]

When the Indians are demoting him, he is getting closer to take a flyer on him status than trading for the third pick in the draft upside.

[proudsoftballdad]

1st I agree Bauer has talent but he's not the type of pitcher that is a simple mechanical fix that one coach sees something and says I can fix him .. This kid can and has been just sailing along pounding it then blam it's gone, he's not controllable wild IMOP he just tend s to lose it for large chunks of time that tends to be mental and mechanical and for that reason I would pass for what it probable cost would be to obtain him.

[beekay414]

Yes, he has 5 years of control left but I'm still not sending out a legitimate piece for him. I'd give up someone like Taylor or Reed considering their current need for OF depth as they want to keep Zimmer and Frazier down for as long as possible.

[MadThinker88]

As a Tribe fan first, let me point out that your missing a large part of the puzzle with Bauer.

 

He struggled big time in the later part of last season and was sent to the bullpen for most of September 2015. In the process he led the AL in walks allowed. CODY Anderson and Josh Tomlin pitched very well down the stretch. This spring all 3 pitched well and while Cody still has options available, the Tribe wanted to see if they could continue working with Bauer in the pen to continue his turn around (a la Carlos Carassco).

 

Bauer is a thinking man type of pitcher and always is tinkering with his pre game warmup, his windup, etc. He also tries to throw @7 different pitches. The Tribe wants him to focus on his best 3 or 4 offerings and to keep attacking the hitters. When the rest of the staff is racking up strikeouts, Bauer's walk issue stands out like a sore thumb.

 

Now I am sure if the right trade offer came along for him (or anyone else) the Tribe would listen and might even pull the trigger but the Tribe isn't actively shopping him and they wouldn't make a deal for cast offs and lottery tickets.

[MadThinker88]

FYI - Bauer in for relief of Salazar in the 6th inning at Texas.

9 pitch inning

Walk - Strikeout - 4-6-3 DP

 

Its one of the free games on MLB.TV this afternoon if your inclined to watch for yourself on how effective or ineffective Bauer is..

[QuevedosTongue]

As a Tribe fan first, let me point out that your missing a large part of the puzzle with Bauer.

 

He struggled big time in the later part of last season and was sent to the bullpen for most of September 2015. In the process he led the AL in walks allowed. CODY Anderson and Josh Tomlin pitched very well down the stretch. This spring all 3 pitched well and while Cody still has options available, the Tribe wanted to see if they could continue working with Bauer in the pen to continue his turn around (a la Carlos Carassco).

 

Bauer is a thinking man type of pitcher and always is tinkering with his pre game warmup, his windup, etc. He also tries to throw @7 different pitches. The Tribe wants him to focus on his best 3 or 4 offerings and to keep attacking the hitters. When the rest of the staff is racking up strikeouts, Bauer's walk issue stands out like a sore thumb.

 

Now I am sure if the right trade offer came along for him (or anyone else) the Tribe would listen and might even pull the trigger but the Tribe isn't actively shopping him and they wouldn't make a deal for cast offs and lottery tickets.

 

I get all this, but what do you make of the 'commitment issues' that Bauer supposedly has? Did he say in an interview that baseball wasn't a priority or something like that?

 

He'd be a nice get for next to nothing, but anyone who claims he has #1/#2 upside anymore is not being realistic. He's got 360 innings in MLB, he's not going to suddenly become an ace. I'm not saying he can't get better, but he's a lottery ticket, not piece you trade for and pencil in as a future rotation anchor.

[MadThinker88]

I take this idea of a commitment issue with a grain of salt. Don't believe it.

 

If there was truely an issue there, the Tribe would have moved him during the off season for the best package possible instead of having pitch in Spring Training and then impact his value with a move to the bullpen...

[SRB]

I'm not huge on character issues, but he's not the kind of guy I would want in a rebuild/development atmosphere. It's easier to look past that when you might be getting an ace pitcher, but I see no signs of that from him.

[brewcrewdue80]

If I recall. Dbacks traded Bauer due to his attitude. Cleveland had issues too with his pregame warmups. His Long Tossing inbetween starts? Still poor attitude in his way of doing things vs. how teams want him to do things. I'm surprised he'd have 5years left of team control. I feel like he's been around for 3years already. I don't know about risking any of our prospects with promise for him. Tyrone Taylor type of prospect sure. But Monte Harrison type? No way. I'd want one of those PTBNL deals where its performance based on the kind of prospect return Bauer would command if I made a trade. The idea would be is this a Jake Arrieta potential or a Will Smith bullpen potential. Anything less would be pointless to trade away prospects for.

[Boomer5]

If the Indians think they can contend, I'd be more inclined to trade off our major league roster than a prospect. Say a Blazek plus.

[jerichoholicninja]

If I recall. Dbacks traded Bauer due to his attitude. Cleveland had issues too with his pregame warmups. His Long Tossing inbetween starts? Still poor attitude in his way of doing things vs. how teams want him to do things.

 

Those were the big things and I think there was something about him only listening to his dad for coaching. At this point you just got to let the kid do things his way. He's had two organizations messing with him and the results have been average to below average. If he thinks he's got it figured out let him sink or swim on his own. If his numbers get worse doing things his way I'm sure he'll start to be more receptive to coaching.

[DHonks]

yahoo had a great article about him last week, I think it was an excerpt from Passan's new book. Basically, Bauer is not a good athlete. He and his dad taught himself how to maximize his pitching ability. I'd trust that he knows best for himself

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/excerpt--in--the-arm---a-search-for-the-new-frontier-of-building-healthy-baseball-pitchers-043238884-mlb.html

[MrTPlush]

Trevor Bauer has really good stuff. Better than anyone in the Brewers organization by far. Is he ever going to find consistency/control? Well that is hard to say. He is the kind of guy that could suddenly find it out and become something great...he has that kind of stuff. Not saying he has incredible odds to figure it out, but you never know.