Lucroy Trades/Proposals (part 2)

[brewcrewdue80]

Mlbtr made a suggestion of the Rays to trade for Lucroy. No Snell, but Honeycutt +. Guy has a plus offering Screwball plus control. Sounds like a winning headliner. Just don't believe the Rays will make such a trade.

[JohnBriggs12]

White Sox have Rodon or Fulmer to headline a package. Though with Rodon in the rotation he probably is not available. I could see a package around Fulmer...it would be crazy, but wouldn't any package for Lucroy be crazy?

 

Fulmer will only be available if he struggles big time all year and a good portion of the the luster comes off him. Besides, I don't believe the Sox catching situation is as dire as it looks. Navarro and Avila are off to bad starts, but between them, they form a decent combo.

 

One caveat, and that's Jacob Turner. He was once a very highly regarded prospect and he's now White Sox property at Charlotte. Injuries, and poor performance have derailed him, but he's been dominant in 3 AAA starts in 2016. He's not yet 25. If he's still dealing in July, that would be a guy the Sox might well be willing to give up for Lucroy.

[MillerParkSouth]

Turner screams AAA guy to me, no way do I want him headlining a Lucroy trade.

[MrTPlush]

We could probably have Jacob Turner for a bag of balls.

[billymac]

I'd love to get Brent Honeywell

 

Lucroy for

Honeywell and 2 lower level arms

 

For Boston

 

Lucroy and Brewers reliever for

Devers and Espinoza

 

Need one top of the rotation arm back

[pacopete4]

If I'm dealing with Tampa I want Brent Honeywell & Taylor Guerrieri. If that means putting in more than just Lucroy, fine. But that gives you two shots at a stud pitcher and maybe you hit the jackpot and hit on both. Either way, go at em both. Both at ETA, 2017. Perfect timing.

[brewmann04]

I agree most people will be very dissapointed at the return when Luc is finally moved.

[TooLiveBrew]

I agree most people will be very dissapointed at the return when Luc is finally moved.

I don't. He's a tier 1 catcher on a comparably tiny contract. The return for him is going to be impressive.

 

It's an interesting phenomenon that so often (we) fans underestimate what it'd take to acquire another club's player, yet we also manage to underestimate what it'd take to prize away our elite talents.

 

There's a reason Stearns hasn't moved Luc yet, & it doesn't have anything to do with his upcoming bobblehead day. He's worth a LOT, & someone will eventually pony up the asking price... because catchers like him can be World Series-winning important.

[And That]

re: Honeywell, I don't believe it's ever been proven that the screwball is any harder on the pitcher's arm than a curve, but the terms "screwball" and "prospect" together make me extremely nervous. And makes my elbow hurt a little.

[mlloyd10]

So according to Baseball Tonight, Astro's are still in on Lucroy and Red Sox have interest in Peralta

[pacopete4]

So according to Baseball Tonight, Astro's are still in on Lucroy and Red Sox have interest in Peralta

 

The part in bold is really interesting.

[reillymcshane]

So according to Baseball Tonight, Astro's are still in on Lucroy and Red Sox have interest in Peralta

 

The part in bold is really interesting.

Yeah, I would agree. Perhaps just looking to buy low on him. But it's hard to think a team with playoff hopes would want a guy who's struggled for such an extended time.

 

Just never know.

[Lee16]

I am 110% convinced that any deal for Lucroy has to bring back starting pitching, maybe not totally major league ready right now, but no more than a year off. We can't run out our starting 5 the way they are constructed now for a whole 162 games, we just can't. If we do, every reliever in our system will be overworked drastically.

[MrTPlush]

So according to Baseball Tonight, Astro's are still in on Lucroy and Red Sox have interest in Peralta

 

The part in bold is really interesting.

 

It really isn't surprising at all. Peralta is a great buy low candidate. ESPN was talking about him for another team too...think it was the Rays?

[Warning Track Power]

While buying low on Peralta makes some sense to contenders given his 2014 numbers, it makes zero sense for the Brewers to sell low on Peralta. As long as the Brewers are in full rebuilding mode, I would much rather run him out there every 5 days than sell him for the type of prospect/s that he is likely worth at this point.

[monty57]

While buying low on Peralta makes some sense to contenders given his 2014 numbers, it makes zero sense for the Brewers to sell low on Peralta. As long as the Brewers are in full rebuilding mode, I would much rather run him out there every 5 days than sell him for the type of prospect/s that he is likely worth at this point.

 

Agree. He's not a free agent until 2019, and we don't have a focus on winning this year. There is no reason we should trade him for little return just to "get rid of the bum." If anyone can wait to see if he becomes "good Peralta," it's the Brewers, and if he does, he should be worth a lot in trade.

 

Now, if another team wants to give the Brewers "good Peralta" value, then by all means trade him. That would be the value of a #2 starter in his prime with 2.5 years of control, which would be huge.

[pacopete4]

Long ways to go before July. Peralta could catch fire and throw out quality start after quality start. His last two outing have show drastic improvements so you just never know.

[Boomer5]

Do not trade Peralta now! He isn't hurting the team in the big picture and he is at the bottom of his career in terms of value.

 

If they need to throw in a pitcher, and i have no idea why, make it Blazek or even Jeffries who are at the peak value at this point of their careers.

[brewerfan82]

Do not trade Peralta now! He isn't hurting the team in the big picture and he is at the bottom of his career in terms of value.

 

If they need to throw in a pitcher, and i have no idea why, make it Blazek or even Jeffries who are at the peak value at this point of their careers.

 

Agreed on the first sentence (assuming the value returned is based on current performance). However, I think the answer to the bolded statement is clearly if we have a desired return and the other team refuses to give it up without a pitcher thrown in. There's another team involved in trades and we can't really just force them to give up a package they don't want to agree to. It's like saying you don't understand why we had to give up Fiers in the Houston deal. Obviously we wouldn't have gotten the full return we did without him included. Also, it may make more sense to throw a wildcard in like Peralta in a packaged deal and then trade other currently high-valued players in their own deals to get maximum return. But it's really hard to know without being a part of the discussions.

[pacopete4]

I think some people are going to be upset at our eventual return for Luc. Going on year two of just being average.

[MrTPlush]

I think some people are going to be upset at our eventual return for Luc. Going on year two of just being average.

 

His stats would get a huge boost if his power gets going. Lucroy is historically pretty mediocre with little power in April. I am not concerned one bit yet.

[reillymcshane]

A baseball writer I know told me that his sources indicate the Brewers are very focused on getting young, quality pitching back in any deal for Lucroy.

 

The same person told me a few teams have called about Braun (again, Brewers want young pitching), but most of the conversations have been about Luc.

[pacopete4]

A baseball writer I know told me that his sources indicate the Brewers are very focused on getting young, quality pitching back in any deal for Lucroy.

 

The same person told me a few teams have called about Braun (again, Brewers want young pitching), but most of the conversations have been about Luc.

 

 

This is a great thing to be heard. I mean, it is what 99% of this board has been hoping for I think. We need pitching if this rebuild is going to be anything successful. If we go at it with the Brauns/Fielders/Weeks/Harts of the world again and have no pitchers, this rebuild won't matter one bit.

[MrTPlush]

A baseball writer I know told me that his sources indicate the Brewers are very focused on getting young, quality pitching back in any deal for Lucroy.

 

The same person told me a few teams have called about Braun (again, Brewers want young pitching), but most of the conversations have been about Luc.

 

 

This is a great thing to be heard. I mean, it is what 99% of this board has been hoping for I think. We need pitching if this rebuild is going to be anything successful. If we go at it with the Brauns/Fielders/Weeks/Harts of the world again and have no pitchers, this rebuild won't matter one bit.

 

Yah if we can't get quality pitching it is going to end up just like the 2010 off-season where we have to trade away a lot of prospects to get them. Sure we compete either way, but that really hurt our window.

[adambr2]

Throwing out an idea :

 

Braun + Lucroy to Nationals for

Lucas Gioloto

Erick Fedde

Jayson Werth

Wilson Ramos

 

It is a massive ask to include Gioloto but this is a massive upgrade over Werth in the outfield and behind the plate for the Nationals, who would likely overtake the Cubs as WS favorites with this deal.

 

I included Werth as an additional incentive for the Nationals to balance out Braun's salary through 2017. Then after 2017 Werth would come off the books for us which is a perfect time-frame for our rebuild. No money exchanged either way.

 

Included Ramos as Lucroy's short-term replacement .

 

EDIT: Forgot Werth has a full NTC. Doubt he would waive it to come here even if the Nats wanted to dump him.