Lucroy Trades/Proposals (part 2)

[Eye Black]

Scott Bartell has reported that Rangers starting catcher Robinson Chirinos fractured his forearm in the game tonight...

 

...get on the horn Mr. Stearns.

Well it will be very interesting to see if the Rangers stick with an internal fix for now or minor move, or if something picks back up on the Lucroy or Norris trade talks.

 

Also being reported from the Texas - San Diego off-season discussions...

 

@Buster_ESPN: Sources: During offseason, TEX/SD had talks about a deal built around Norris/Cashner/Profar, but concerns about Cashner's arm scuttled that.

[SRB]

Lucroy for Gallo, make it happen.

[mlloyd10]

Now Choo is out too...

[Yolk]

Please give me Profar. I wouldn't trade Maldonado for Gallo... Okay, I would for the tiniest of chances that Gallo learns how to hit pitches that he swings at. But I definitely would not trade anything of value for Gallo since I think it's almost a sure thing that he will never hit major league pitching.

[Kelbysdaddy]

Lucroy for Tate, matuella, and jurado. I'm sure Luc hasn't already been traded already due to Texas not wanting to give any of their big 3 but this would be a very good return. All are pitchers obviously but all 3 have #2-3 potential.

[brewmann04]

I add Perelta in the deal to sweeten the pot.

[jerichoholicninja]

I add Perelta in the deal to sweeten the pot.

 

What pot would Peralta sweeten? A pot full of salt and vinegar?

[superfly]

I think it's more likely Lucroy walks for compensation picks OR gets extended than it does he gets traded.

[MrTPlush]

I think it's more likely Lucroy walks for compensation picks OR gets extended than it does he gets traded.

 

I am taking that bet every day of the week.

[Warning Track Power]

Lucroy + (obviously a BIG +) for Brinson, Gallo (whose star is fading), Matuella.

 

I would love an OF of Brinson, Phillips, Santana.

[JohnBriggs12]

I think it's more likely Lucroy walks for compensation picks OR gets extended than it does he gets traded.

 

With Nottingham's arrival on pace for 2018, I don't see an extension at this point, but why not keep him and take the pick if the offers aren't that substantial? Where are they going to find a veteran catcher to work with young arms the next two seasons better than Lucroy? If the system hadn't already been restocked pretty well with another high draft pick looming, then sure trading Lucroy soon would make a lot of sense. But he's not eating a lot of payroll, and this team might turn out to be fairly competitive and they'll still get a nice pick when he leaves. If by July 2017, the team is still not contending, finding a return better than the expected pick might still be an option as well.

[paul253]

but why not keep him and take the pick if the offers aren't that substantial?

 

Any legitimate offer you get will be better than a comp pick at the end of the first round. Even a bad return should net you a organizational top 5 prospect. That is almost certainly going to be better than one pick in the 30s or 40s. A likely return will be one good prospect plus one or two with potential. I'll take that ten times out of ten vs taking a comp pick.

[igor67]

Minor point, while straight up a comp pick is not as valuable as what we should get in trade the value under the new draft rules as you get more bonus pool money and the flexibility that comes with that enhances their value over what they would have been a few years ago. Not enough to not do a good deal, but worth understanding.

 

Short of another major contender losing their catcher this is the near perfect scenario for maximizing Lucroy's value. He is hitting alright the team has a solid record and injury is forcing a loaded contender to make a choice... All early in the season,so it is still practically an offseason trade in terms of length of getting the player.

[MrTPlush]

I think it is pretty clear at this point the Brewers don't want Lucroy and Lucroy doesn't really want the Brewers. An extension would be absolutely shocking at this point.

 

The only way we let him go for comp picks is if a suitcase is dropped on his hand before this years deadline, he spends the entire offseason horribly unhealthy, and another suitcase full of rocks falls on him next July. At which point we wouldn't even offer him the qualifying offer because he is old, injury prone, and not worth the risk. I can't see this happening at all.

[A Swing and A Drive]

I think it is pretty clear at this point the Brewers don't want Lucroy and Lucroy doesn't really want the Brewers. An extension would be absolutely shocking at this point.

 

The only way we let him go for comp picks is if a suitcase is dropped on his hand before this years deadline, he spends the entire offseason horribly unhealthy, and another suitcase full of rocks falls on him next July. At which point we wouldn't even offer him the qualifying offer because he is old, injury prone, and not worth the risk. I can't see this happening at all.

 

 

While there is some risk involved in keeping Lucroy the next two seasons and offering him a QO, I don't think it's a terrible backup plan. It gives the Brewers some nice leverage if teams are not willing to give what we are looking for via trade. With that said, I DO see the Brewers moving him between now and Opening Day 2017.

[billymac]

Tigers James McCann is out with an ankle injury....they have Salty no others on their 40 man....

 

If its serious, anyone see Tigers making a push for Lucroy? Do they have enough to offer? They have a team that can contend now.

[Mudville9]

What are everyone's thoughts on Lucroy sticking around to help develop the young pitching staff? While I know I would prefer he be dealt, as I think he has more value in bringing back young, controllable talent for when the Brewers are competitive again, I also could see the rationale of him sticking around to help develop young pitchers while also working to groom Nottingham as his heir apparent. Granted, this seems more like a Melvin move than a Stearns move, but if the trade value isn't there the value isn't there.

 

I guess the question becomes, would you be more upset if Lucroy stayed a Brewer for the next 2 seasons or if Lucroy was traded for a lousy package?

 

I don't know much about the Detroit system, I would think Fullmer would be a definite, but I think there is a big drop off after that. Unless Stearns really wants to dump him, I'm not sure they have enough pieces. The Rangers have more pitching that we can mine. Detroit has more OF which we have a ton of. Of course, the fact that the Rangers and Tigers both need a starting catcher is making DS look smart if a deal can get done.

[superfly]

I think it is pretty clear at this point the Brewers don't want Lucroy and Lucroy doesn't really want the Brewers. An extension would be absolutely shocking at this point.

 

The only way we let him go for comp picks is if a suitcase is dropped on his hand before this years deadline, he spends the entire offseason horribly unhealthy, and another suitcase full of rocks falls on him next July. At which point we wouldn't even offer him the qualifying offer because he is old, injury prone, and not worth the risk. I can't see this happening at all.

 

 

Why is it obvious the Brewers don't want Lucroy? I think it's the complete opposite, otherwise he would have been shipped out at any cost this past offseason, even if it came down to a bag of 2015 popcorn. Just because they haven't given him a huge extension doesn't mean they don't like him around.

 

I don't really buy the "Lucroy hates us" belief either, the man isn't an idiot. He knows he's 30 and catchers begin to decline a little after 30. He's never made "good money" in his career and would like to set himself up for the rest of his career/life in case concussions/decline/injuries/whatever else happen to strike him. Don't forget Russell Martin robbed a bank with his contract not long before Lucroy complained, and Lucroy is as good as Russsel Martin is.

[sveumrules]

Something else to keep in mind with the CBA expiring between now and Lucroy's slated free agency is that there may not even be a qualifying offer system in place anymore by the time Luc hits the free agent market.

[proudsoftballdad]

Something else to keep in mind with the CBA expiring between now and Lucroy's slated free agency is that there may not even be a qualifying offer system in place anymore by the time Luc hits the free agent market.

true but Lucroy is under contract long enough that if that is the case they will be well aware of any new language that they could still trade him before he becomes a free agent

[Warning Track Power]

http://www.brewcrewball.com/2016/4/13/11413238/familiarizing-ourselves-with-texas-rangers-farm-system

 

Good write-up at Brew Crew Ball regarding Texas' system. I would be more than happy with a package that included Brinson and Matuella as 2 of 3 pieces or I would be happy with a return of Brinson and Tate for Lucroy. As I stated earlier, a future OF of Brinson, Phillips, Santana would be unbelievably exciting.

[brewerfan82]

Something else to keep in mind with the CBA expiring between now and Lucroy's slated free agency is that there may not even be a qualifying offer system in place anymore by the time Luc hits the free agent market.

true but Lucroy is under contract long enough that if that is the case they will be well aware of any new language that they could still trade him before he becomes a free agent

 

The CBA expires this December 1st. Lucroy's contract is up at the end of next season. If indeed there is a change in the QO system this winter that lessens the compensation for losing a free agent, the other teams will know at that point as well, which will lower his value. That combined with his new team only having him for at most 1 year at that point, only solidifies that his value won't be higher than it is now. It would be a huge missed opportunity if he's not traded by the deadline this year.

[monty57]

Has there ever been a player of substantial value traded this early in the season? It's possible that Lucroy gets traded soon, giving the receiving team almost two full seasons of him, but I think that's pretty unlikely. I just hope he stays healthy and plays well so Stearns can get a good return in July.

[fondybrewfan]

I see a CC Sabathia scenario if anything. Trade him a couple weeks before the deadline.

[Boomer5]

That would be unusual for a starting catcher to move him in July. We just had two catcher injuries, are we hoping for three?