Lucroy Trades/Proposals (part 2)

[dacrew101]

Honestly that package seems weak imo... I would not want Norris as a feature piece to a deal and the other two don't do anything for me

[Manty Brewer Fan]

I'd be more interested in a deal with Detroit if it was Norris with Beau Burrows and Christin Stewart.

[reillymcshane]

The Tigers seem like they will go ALL in this year if they are in contention in the wide-open AL Central.

 

Proposal

Tigers get:

C Jonathan Lucroy

 

Brewers get:

LHP Daniel Norris

OF Steven Moya

C James McCann or Salty

 

I know the Tigers just landed Norris last trade deadline, but with the emergence of Michael Fulmer, I think Norris could be had. Maybe throw in a reliever to get it done (besides Smith or Jeffress).

 

Thoughts?

I have always been big fan of Norris. I advocated for trading for him last year. However, he's not been particularly good this year at AAA, so his value is probably lower than it was prior to this year (not to mention the cancer scare he had - which really shouldn't hurt him, but it probably worries some people).

 

I'd pass on Moya. Good power, but he strikes out a ton and doesn't walk. He has walked roughly 5% of the time in the minors - that's brutal - and probably will be worse in the majors. To me he profiles as Chris Carter without the walks. That's not a good thing.

 

McCann is just a guy. Backup catcher type. He doesn't walk much, doesn't hit much, solid receiver. I'd be fine taking him back so we can fill the spot, but it's not like they are doing us a big favor.

 

If you want something to happen, you'd have to start with Norris and Beau Burrows - the Tigers top pick in the 2015 draft. Burrows' has got a big arm, and pitching well at A ball in 2016 (1.99 ERA in 50 IP) after doing great in rookie ball last year (28 IP, 1.61 ERA, 33K). He's only 19, so very raw, but he has some quality upside.

 

Here's his stats thus far:

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=burrow000bea

 

Like I said, I always liked Norris. I think he has #2 potential, so I'd love to get him. But you'd need more, in my opinion, for Lucroy. Detroit is so thin in prospects, so they may balk at giving up so much pitching - but if they want Luc, they'd have to pay the price. They did add Matt Manning in the draft, so perhaps they'd be willing to make the leap. Who knows.

[SRB]

The Tigers seem like they will go ALL in this year if they are in contention in the wide-open AL Central.

 

Proposal

Tigers get:

C Jonathan Lucroy

 

Brewers get:

LHP Daniel Norris

OF Steven Moya

C James McCann or Salty

 

I know the Tigers just landed Norris last trade deadline, but with the emergence of Michael Fulmer, I think Norris could be had. Maybe throw in a reliever to get it done (besides Smith or Jeffress).

 

Thoughts?

 

I think a deal centered around Norris would be fair. Don't see why we need McCann or Salty though, and Moya is sort of an odd throw-in. I would prefer, say:

 

LHP Daniel Norris

3B/OF JaCoby Jones (having a great season at AA/AAA)

RHP Joe Jimenez (lights-out RP prospect)

[brewcrewdue80]

I'd Keep Lucroy if we are in discussion with Detroit for a trade. I'd expect a return 3 times better than Detroit can offer.

 

Honeywell alone from Tampa is a Better offer.

[A Swing and A Drive]

A year ago Daniel Norris was the headliner in a trade for David Price. A half season of an ACE starter is more valuable to a contender than 1 1/2 of an all star catcher IMHO. Hard to see us getting a deal worth 3x as much as just Daniel Norris for Luc.

[brewmann04]

I think you going to see Luc traded to team no one is expecting very sure DS will get a deal done.

[Jenkins5]

I'd Keep Lucroy if we are in discussion with Detroit for a trade. I'd expect a return 3 times better than Detroit can offer.

 

Honeywell alone from Tampa is a Better offer.

 

Agreed, we really need to move away from talking Tigers unless there is a third team because Tigers have a bottom 5 system in baseball. If DS takes any deal with the Tigers, he backed off of his price and lowered it 1st come, first serves, regardless of what you have to offer. Beau Burrows and Christian Stewart need to come back. Don't think either fall in our top 10. Hill would be in the 20-30 range. No one else cracks top 30 outside of maybe Jones at like a 28-30. Id take Jimenez in relief. Alexander would be alight Moye offers no more than Santana.

 

I get the Norris thoughts to boost it but if we are going prospects instead, at least one needs to be good enough to fall in our top 10 after deal

[brewcrewdue80]

Like Wheeler, Norris already a running clock. He'll be 2years after this season. Trading for him, would make me wanna keep Braun on team. Because with Nelson, Davies+Anderson you have a serviceable rotation. You'd believe the team is scratching 500. Though Lucroys bat is a huge loss.

 

That's why the ML player isn't good for Milw in trade over a Jose Deleon or Grant Holmes. What bats you trade away in Lucroy+Braun and maybe Carter. Team would struggle to score 3runs a game ala Atlanta. 2years pass. Now Norris is heading to 2nd Arb with Nelson. You reach the Tampa dilemma play out the season or trade 1.

I just don't want the good potential SP who's beyond a year service time. Rookie ok.

 

But that's me. Expecting 2more years of rebuilding and September 2018 there are 15 Bodies who are less than 2years/rookies playing for the team. With more joining in 2019. Taking the slow acceleration to the top.

[splitterpfj]

Lucroy to the Mets makes a ton of sense for the Mets, and I expect the "Lucroy for Wheeler" buzz to heat up. If Wheeler had some sort of stat line to shop, I wouldn't hate the idea, IF the Brewers then flipped Wheeler for a couple of prospects .... but Wheeler won't have time before the deadline to show he's worth what we'd all want the Brewers to get.

 

So ...

 

In Matt Harvey's last three starts, he has allowed 2 ER total .... looks like he's figured it out.

 

Travis D'Arnaud is due back in the next couple of days, to try to save the Mets ..... he has a tear in his rotator cuff .... guess which way I'm betting.

 

When Wheeler is ready .... Harvey for Lucroy, and the Brewers move Harvey to Boston for the prospect package they really should be getting for Lucroy.

[BrewCrewBlueDevil]

If the Mets offered Harvey for LuCroy the Brewers should pull the trigger immediately. All other Mets offers need to start with Conforto and others. The Mets do not match up well unless one of their pitchers not named Bartolo Colon is mentioned. The Brewers would need to bring in a catcher because seeing Maldanado behind the plate more than once a week would not be good. I am going to assume Pina and Pinto in AAA are horrible defense players although both are tearing it up in AAA.

[dacrew101]

Wheeler was almost traded straight up for Jay Bruce last season until the reds backed out. Bruce had a down year that year too. Can't imagine his trade value being super high even with him being close to ready.

 

I'm fine with a 3 team trade but I don't want Harvey or Wheeler back here.. Id also give Pina a chance cuz Maldys bat is useless

[BrewBalls]

I'd Keep Lucroy if we are in discussion with Detroit for a trade. I'd expect a return 3 times better than Detroit can offer.

 

Honeywell alone from Tampa is a Better offer.

 

Agreed, we really need to move away from talking Tigers unless there is a third team because Tigers have a bottom 5 system in baseball. If DS takes any deal with the Tigers, he backed off of his price and lowered it 1st come, first serves, regardless of what you have to offer. Beau Burrows and Christian Stewart need to come back. Don't think either fall in our top 10. Hill would be in the 20-30 range. No one else cracks top 30 outside of maybe Jones at like a 28-30. Id take Jimenez in relief. Alexander would be alight Moye offers no more than Santana.

 

I get the Norris thoughts to boost it but if we are going prospects instead, at least one needs to be good enough to fall in our top 10 after deal

If we don't get a prospect back who can crack our top 5 I'll blow a gasket. We need at least one top 50 player and another top 100 to get things started unless we can land someone inside the top 20.

[A Swing and A Drive]

If we don't get a prospect back who can crack our top 5 I'll blow a gasket. We need at least one top 50 player and another top 100 to get things started unless we can land someone inside the top 20.

 

2015 Baseball America Top 100 Prospects....Daniel Norris was ranked #18 overall. I think he would still count as a Top 50 prospects at the very least.

 

add in RHP Beau Burrows as a Top 100 prospect and I think the Tigers would at least be a plausible trade partner for Lucroy, IMO.

[dacrew101]

Norris is getting popped in AAA, and wasn't too superb before that either, i wouldn't be excited if he was the main piece..

[reillymcshane]

Like Wheeler, Norris already a running clock. He'll be 2years after this season.

Norris will only have one full year of service time after this season - not two.

 

Coming into 2016, Norris had 0.122 years of service time - that's 122 days. (This is according to Cotts and Baseball Reference). That means if he is brought up to the majors, he'll need 50 days to reach a full year. If that happens in 2016, Norris will have five years of control remaining (2017-2021).

 

He could, potentially, be kept in the minors for most of the year, and thus a team would have 6 years of control.

[SRB]

Alternative question: is there a better SP than Daniel Norris that the Brewers could realistically expect to acquire for Lucroy? Debatable who is better between Norris and De Leon from the Dodgers.

 

If frontline pitching is one of our priorities, Norris is the potential ace we've been waiting for.

[dacrew101]

I hope we wouldn't prioritize with an asset like Lucroy, it would have to be your opinion on what you think of Norris. I'm not a big fan of him enough for him to be a main piece

[A Swing and A Drive]

I hope we wouldn't prioritize with an asset like Lucroy, it would have to be your opinion on what you think of Norris. I'm not a big fan of him enough for him to be a main piece

 

Could you give some examples of potential main pieces you do like?

[dacrew101]

I hope we wouldn't prioritize with an asset like Lucroy, it would have to be your opinion on what you think of Norris. I'm not a big fan of him enough for him to be a main piece

 

Could you give some examples of potential main pieces you do like?

 

Giolito and Urias

[Hammer]

I'm sure that everyone would want them...but those don't seem realistic.

[dacrew101]

Lol

 

I would want a package similar to the one we got for Gomez last year

 

 

I'm rooting for the Astros to start winning so they can bid for Lucroy.. Supposedly they wanted him last winter

[reillymcshane]

Honeywell was put on the DL last month with elbow tenderness. I think he's a really good prospect, but you'd have to feel good that the elbow is okay before making him the centerpiece of a deal.

[nate82]

I still think the Red Sox will be the team that gets Lucroy. A Devers and Espinoza trade would be at about what the price for Lucroy is at right now. Catchers that put up a wRC+ of 134 do not grow on trees and Lucroy is putting up MVP type numbers right now at the catcher position. If you want to look at OPS Lucroy is putting up an OPS of .894 this is an elite OPS for a catcher. The only other catcher with qualifying PA who has an OPS greater than .800 is Salvador Perez at .847.

 

Hypothetically if Buster Posey was on the market and had the same contract as Lucroy what would he demand on the trade market? Remember Posey is only 1-year younger than Lucroy also.

[mlloyd10]

Matz for lucroy.....who says no?

 

With degroom, Harvey and Thor....do the need a 4th starter for the playoffs? If so, still have fatty plus wheeler will be back