Lucroy Trades/Proposals (part 2)

[splitterpfj]

Think Aiken would be headliner, Bobby would be #2. With Bradley, high Ks are issue but once again he is extremely young for league. He could top out like a Carter but if he is going to hit .235 with a .360 OBP, .900 OPS, 35+ HRs 100RBIs..... I still think that is a good piece. He hit .270 with .360 OBP with 27 HRs in his age 18/19 season at A ball. After being drafted he hit .340 with a .426 OBP & 8HRs in 38 games.

 

You could and to the deal, but I want Bradley & Aiken/McKenzie (or both will be amazing!)

 

I said this earlier in this thread, but I can't imagine Cleveland giving Aiken up at this point.

 

They took the chance on the injured kid, and paid him - he hasn't pitched in a pro game yet, if they give him up, and he's what he might be, that really hurts. I'd bet the GM would keep him out of any real discussions. I would look at Sheffield and Clevinger as more realistic targets.

 

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=cle

[splitterpfj]

Cleveland fan here.. No Deal.

Personally I hang up when Bobby Bradley is asked for. He is the RH power bat the Tribe has been looking for for years.

 

Bradley is a lefty hitter - he's a true prospect, but he's also a long ways from a sure thing. He's got the power, but will he make enough contact?

 

I mentioned Cleveland's need for an offensive boost in the outfield, and I think that's what they'll look for first, but if they can't match up and get it, I can't believe they wouldn't at least talk about Lucroy.

 

In my post, I left the Indians' top two prospects out of the pile - and I didn't even push Brady Aiken, while they're getting a ridiculously underpaid all-star performer at a thin position. Cleveland could do this if they want to, but I'm sure it won't be first on their list.

[adambr2]

Does our record give us any sort of leverage? I would think if we're 18-42, teams know we HAVE to sell him, it's just a matter of who bids highest.

 

Right now we can say hey, we don't have to sell anything, we're a few games out of a playoff spot and have some nice upcoming talent from the minors, so if you want Lucroy, you need to blow us away.

[mattyo]

Does our record give us any sort of leverage? I would think if we're 18-42, teams know we HAVE to sell him, it's just a matter of who bids highest.

 

Right now we can say hey, we don't have to sell anything, we're a few games out of a playoff spot and have some nice upcoming talent from the minors, so if you want Lucroy, you need to blow us away.

 

Sure, I think this can be helpful in the bargaining process, but not really enough to even add on another lottery ticket prospect. Just think it adds to the ever growing list of why Lucroy is the best trade chip this season.

[Boomer5]

Does our record give us any sort of leverage? I would think if we're 18-42, teams know we HAVE to sell him, it's just a matter of who bids highest.

 

Right now we can say hey, we don't have to sell anything, we're a few games out of a playoff spot and have some nice upcoming talent from the minors, so if you want Lucroy, you need to blow us away.

 

I think teams know what the Brewers are. Luc, Braun, and Villar have carried the team and 2 of those 3 are on the block. Luc has multiple teams wanting him so the price wont be affected with a will they or wont they sell mode.

[splitterpfj]

It should always be, "best player available", but in light of last night's picks, I would expect the Brewers to push harder for pitching at the top of the return if Lucroy is dealt.

 

Given the pitching depth they have at the top, this makes me like the Dodgers even more as a trade partner.

[MrTPlush]

Does our record give us any sort of leverage?

 

No...we all know what the Brewers really are. It is no mystery ,barring a total collapse/injury by Lucroy, that he will be gone come August 2nd.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

Mark Derosa proposed this dandy deal

 

Mets Receive

Jonathan Lucroy

Chris Carter

Will Smith

 

Brewers Receive

Wheeler

TDA

Dominic Smith (AKA most over rated prospect in baseball. He's seriously awful and lucky to be Loney 2.0)

 

Hahaha I'd rather drink bleach...

[dacrew101]

Mark Derosa proposed this dandy deal

 

Mets Receive

Jonathan Lucroy

Chris Carter

Will Smith

 

Brewers Receive

Wheeler

TDA

Dominic Smith (AKA most over rated prospect in baseball. He's seriously awful and lucky to be Loney 2.0)

 

Hahaha I'd rather drink bleach...

 

I know some Brewers fans like this deal, Im not one

 

I thought Wheeler was overrated, I know he's coming back from TJ surgery but eh.. TDA is struggling with constant injuries... And the prospect is a 1st basemen who doesn't hit for much power meh

 

This deal is just a whole lot of mehhhhhhhhh to me..

[MilwaukeeBeers]

Mark Derosa proposed this dandy deal

 

Mets Receive

Jonathan Lucroy

Chris Carter

Will Smith

 

Brewers Receive

Wheeler

TDA

Dominic Smith (AKA most over rated prospect in baseball. He's seriously awful and lucky to be Loney 2.0)

 

Hahaha I'd rather drink bleach...

 

I know some Brewers fans like this deal, Im not one

 

I thought Wheeler was overrated, I know he's coming back from TJ surgery but eh.. TDA is struggling with constant injuries... And the prospect is a 1st basemen who doesn't hit for much power meh

 

This deal is just a whole lot of mehhhhhhhhh to me..

One chronically injured guy. One guy who we don't even know is the same pitcher since TJ, and a guy that's so unbelievably over rated. I'd honestly would take Denson over him. It's not even meh for me it's awful.

[reillymcshane]

Mark Derosa proposed this dandy deal

 

Mets Receive

Jonathan Lucroy

Chris Carter

Will Smith

 

Brewers Receive

Wheeler

TDA

Dominic Smith (AKA most over rated prospect in baseball. He's seriously awful and lucky to be Loney 2.0)

 

Hahaha I'd rather drink bleach...

I want a really high quality player back for Luc - preferably a pitcher. He is our main chip to acquire a potential top of the order pitcher - don't waste it on a decent 1B prospect and a pitcher who will only have - if I'm correct - only three years of service time left before being a FA. I want a guy with 5 or more years of control.

[Austin Tatious]

Mark Derosa proposed this dandy deal

 

Mets Receive

Jonathan Lucroy

Chris Carter

Will Smith

 

Brewers Receive

Wheeler

TDA

Dominic Smith (AKA most over rated prospect in baseball. He's seriously awful and lucky to be Loney 2.0)

 

Hahaha I'd rather drink bleach...

 

Massive pass on that one. Stay away from the Mets. They aren't a good partner. But do try to get a rotation like theirs. That's what to emulate.

[brewcrewdue80]

Mark Derosa proposed this dandy deal

 

Mets Receive

Will Smith

 

Brewers Receive

Wheeler

TDA

Dominic Smith (AKA most over rated prospect in baseball. He's seriously awful and lucky to be Loney 2.0)

 

Hahaha I'd rather drink bleach...

 

That to me is about appropiate. Amazes me he included Lucroy and Carter.

[brewmann04]

I wonder if we have to wait till the offseason to move LUC

[MrTPlush]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/06/looking-for-a-match-in-a-jonathan-lucroy-trade.html?fv-home=true

 

I think there is decent reason for concern on Lucroy. They aren't that many suitors and none of them seem really desperate. Some of the teams that were shaping to be suitors have gotten good production from not so flashy players. While Lucroy is a better player in the long run teams might not be very motivated midseason to make that type of move. The other problem is the fact a team like the Astros have been a disaster and won't be looking to buy(most likely).

 

Regardless I still think some team coughs up the prospects to get a deal done. How much is anyone's guess.

[Boomer5]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/06/looking-for-a-match-in-a-jonathan-lucroy-trade.html?fv-home=true

 

I think there is decent reason for concern on Lucroy. They aren't that many suitors and none of them seem really desperate. Some of the teams that were shaping to be suitors have gotten good production from not so flashy players. While Lucroy is a better player in the long run teams might not be very motivated midseason to make that type of move. The other problem is the fact a team like the Astros have been a disaster and won't be looking to buy(most likely).

 

Regardless I still think some team coughs up the prospects to get a deal done. How much is anyone's guess.

 

I guess I read the article differently. Looks like there are several teams that want him and have the ability to pay for him

 

I think the Red Sox can throw out an impressive package.

[pacopete4]

There's teams that can pony up the packages but it really will be interesting if they will be desperate enough to actually pull the trigger on him. There is definitely some concern we won't get our asking price.

[billymac]

Dodgers and Red Sox are the two that match up best right now

 

I trust Stearns, but I will be very worried until he pulls off a trade

 

He is asking a lot as he should, but is he asking too much that teams will look for other options

[paul253]

I think the Red Sox can throw out an impressive package.

 

How about Jason Groome?

[homer]

I think the Red Sox can throw out an impressive package.

 

How about Jason Groome?

 

 

I could be off base but I don't think you can trade a draft pick for a full year. At least, I'm pretty sure there's some kind of time frame where they can't be traded.

 

EDIT: They changed the rule last year. Prospects can be traded the day after the world series in the year in which they were drafted. So Brewers could trade for Groome but not until the off season.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/mlb-fixes-the-trea-turner-problem-for-everyone-else/

[MrTPlush]

I think the Red Sox can throw out an impressive package.

 

How about Jason Groome?

 

 

I could be off base but I don't think you can trade a draft pick for a full year. At least, I'm pretty sure there's some kind of time frame where they can't be traded.

 

EDIT: They changed the rule last year. Prospects can be traded the day after the world series in the year in which they were drafted. So Brewers could trade for Groome but not until the off season.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/mlb-fixes-the-trea-turner-problem-for-everyone-else/

 

They can list him as a PTBNL though.

[MrTPlush]

The problem isn't that there aren't suitors, but that there aren't any great fits. Outside of maybe The Dodgers I don't see a team that is just dying for a guy like Lucroy.

 

Red Sox have Valaquez and the pitchers love him. They also are more desperate for pitching.

 

Rangers have gotten good production from the current options. Also a team more in need of pitching.

 

Mets make some sense, but they don't really have the greatest prospects. Sure they could add Matz, but that sounds like a pipe dream for us.

 

Indians make some sense if they stay in the race. I have a hard time seeing them make a big splash, but it is possible. They have decent prospects and maybe we could take Yan Gomes back to get that little roadblock out of the way.

 

White Sox are a really good fit. Too bad their farm system isn't too great. I guess if the Brewers really loved Rodon or Fulmer and the White Sox added Anderson maybe something could work. However I'd think two of Fulmer/Rodon/Anderson would have to be in a deal and I just can't see the White Sox doing that.

 

 

It's not crazy to think that the offers could be low enough where they keep Lucroy till the offseason where more teams will be looking for an upgrade. I don't envision it getting to that point, but it is a lot more likely than I once thought.

[homer]

re: PTBNL

 

Please be advised that the Commissioner’s Office and the Players Association have agreed to amend the Major League Rules in advance of this year’s Rule 4 Draft with respect to players-to-be-named-later (“PTBNLs”) under Rule 12(e)(2), and the trading of draft picks under Rule 3(b)(6). …commencing with players eligible for the 2015 Rule 4 Draft, (a) players selected in the Draft may be traded beginning on the day following the conclusion of the World Series, and (b) drafted players cannot be PTBNLs unless they otherwise could be traded pursuant to Rule 3(b)(6), as amended, at the time of the trade.

[MadThinker88]

re: PTBNL

 

Please be advised that the Commissioner’s Office and the Players Association have agreed to amend the Major League Rules in advance of this year’s Rule 4 Draft with respect to players-to-be-named-later (“PTBNLs”) under Rule 12(e)(2), and the trading of draft picks under Rule 3(b)(6). …commencing with players eligible for the 2015 Rule 4 Draft, (a) players selected in the Draft may be traded beginning on the day following the conclusion of the World Series, and (b) drafted players cannot be PTBNLs unless they otherwise could be traded pursuant to Rule 3(b)(6), as amended, at the time of the trade.

 

Thanks Homer. Great piece of info you listed here for any trade consideration..

[1992casey]

That change happened after the fiasco in San Diego last year. I don't recall the player's name offhand, but everyone knew for months that he was the PTBNL in a trade.