Lucroy Trades/Proposals (part 2)

[MilwaukeeBeers]

Perfect scenario Lucroy might be worth a Top 20 prospect as a center piece, but I doubt that scenario will come to fruition. You need a competing team, desperate for a catcher, Top 20 prospect, and wanting Lucroy at all costs. He should net very similar to what we got for Gomez at worst possibly something better. It all depends on how things shake out.

Do you think Stearns holds all the leverage here?

[brewcrewdue80]

Where Lucroy is at is confirming a QO after 2017. Without a doubt. That means a 28-36th 1st rd pick a Team will have forthcoming. That value has likely always been a part of Stearns trade value. But of course the teams trading for Lucroy could have argued differently

 

I believe Lucroy has that top 15-40 prospect overall as a headliner in his future trade. Could even be top 10 but the higher we climb the less beyond you get. It could be 1 to 1 if you're going high enough vs a 40, 75 and throw in. It's certainly promising the headliner in return should be leaving the other teams fans upset in the loss of that guy.

[trwi7]

You looks at the top 10 worst catching situations in the league and I'm not seeing the teams that fit.

 

There's only a handful of teams in contention in that group. We can cross of the Reds, Twins, Rays and Braves just by not being in contention. We can cross off the Blue Jays because of Russell Martin's albatross contract. We can cross off the Mariners and White Sox because they don't have enough prospect capital. That leaves the Mets who already have D'Arnaud (and probably don't have the farm system anymore) and the Red Sox who are probably going to sail to at minimum a wildcard berth with or without Lucroy.

 

Teams like Cleveland aren't getting anything from the position and have the prospects to make a deal if they want. Maybe Houston gets back into it and decides to make a deal. Just not a lot of teams with the fit and the prospects to make a deal and that backs us into a corner a little bit.

[SRB]

You looks at the top 10 worst catching situations in the league and I'm not seeing the teams that fit.

 

There's only a handful of teams in contention in that group. We can cross of the Reds, Twins, Rays and Braves just by not being in contention. We can cross off the Blue Jays because of Russell Martin's albatross contract. We can cross off the Mariners and White Sox because they don't have enough prospect capital. That leaves the Mets who already have D'Arnaud (and probably don't have the farm system anymore) and the Red Sox who are probably going to sail to at minimum a wildcard berth with or without Lucroy.

 

Teams like Cleveland aren't getting anything from the position and have the prospects to make a deal if they want. Maybe Houston gets back into it and decides to make a deal. Just not a lot of teams with the fit and the prospects to make a deal and that backs us into a corner a little bit.

 

What about the Dodgers?

[And That]

The Rangers, and to a sightly lesser extent the Nationals, have gotten good offensive production from their catchers but if those teams are being honest with themselves, they know it isn't likely to continue. Both of those teams have the top end prospects to complete a deal.

 

The A's and Tigers are both still on the fringes of contention and could be in a position to make a deal with a prolonged hot streak.

 

Finally, it's not out of the question that Lucroy could be dealt to the Cubs.

[splitterpfj]

What about the Dodgers?

 

Yep, that looks like a match.

 

As for the Cubs .... absolutely, and there's nothing wrong with it, if the Brewers get their best offer there.

[trwi7]

What about the Dodgers?

 

Sure, I guess but Grandal was really good last year and Friedman doesn't seem like the type to rush out and make a deal just because a player is struggling for a few months. If for some reason they don't like what they see from Grandal, then they could theoretically get involved.

 

The Rangers, and to a sightly lesser extent the Nationals, have gotten good offensive production from their catchers but if those teams are being honest with themselves, they know it isn't likely to continue. Both of those teams have the top end prospects to complete a deal.

 

The A's and Tigers are both still on the fringes of contention and could be in a position to make a deal with a prolonged hot streak.

 

Finally, it's not out of the question that Lucroy could be dealt to the Cubs.

 

The Rangers, sure but Ramos has been a fairly good offensive catcher for a few years prior to the last couple. He very likely won't keep doing this but it's not out of the question that he gives them above average production all year.

 

I don't even know who the Rangers' catchers are at this point but since they're getting so much production even without Chirinos, they aren't going to be in any rush to make a deal. They hold the leverage. They may love Lucroy and think he'll be an awesome fit but they have no reason to make a trade as long as the guys they have keep producing.

 

As far as the A's and Tigers are concerned, I'm not sure they have the prospects that we would covet in a trade.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

You looks at the top 10 worst catching situations in the league and I'm not seeing the teams that fit.

 

There's only a handful of teams in contention in that group. We can cross of the Reds, Twins, Rays and Braves just by not being in contention. We can cross off the Blue Jays because of Russell Martin's albatross contract. We can cross off the Mariners and White Sox because they don't have enough prospect capital. That leaves the Mets who already have D'Arnaud (and probably don't have the farm system anymore) and the Red Sox who are probably going to sail to at minimum a wildcard berth with or without Lucroy.

 

Teams like Cleveland aren't getting anything from the position and have the prospects to make a deal if they want. Maybe Houston gets back into it and decides to make a deal. Just not a lot of teams with the fit and the prospects to make a deal and that backs us into a corner a little bit.

Honestly I think the Cubs match up the best for Lucroy.

[MrTPlush]

I don't think the Cubs make a lot of sense from their point of view. Getting past the fact they would be sending really good prospects to the Brewers making any deal unlikely they aren't the type of team in need of a big splash. They just need to make a few small moves to bolster their depth. I think they would prefer to stick with their current catcher leading their pitching staff too. Also keep in mind trading for Lucroy would mean tying $15mil into a back up catcher through next year. Not really ideal.

 

Lucroy would be a big upgrade offensively, but their offense isn't dying for another bat. Yes it would help, but another team will be more desperate therefor offering more. Despite the need a trade to the Cubs would be shocking.

[Mudville9]

I don't think the Cubs make a lot of sense from their point of view. Getting past the fact they would be sending really good prospects to the Brewers making any deal unlikely they aren't the type of team in need of a big splash. They just need to make a few small moves to bolster their depth. I think they would prefer to stick with their current catcher leading their pitching staff too. Also keep in mind trading for Lucroy would mean tying $15mil into a back up catcher through next year. Not really ideal.

 

Lucroy would be a big upgrade offensively, but their offense isn't dying for another bat. Yes it would help, but another team will be more desperate therefor offering more. Despite the need a trade to the Cubs would be shocking.

 

I agree with everything you said until you add the fact that they haven't won anything since the Model T was shiny. If I'm the Cubs, I make every move I can. Heck I would trade for King Felix while I'm at it too.

[nate82]

I don't see Lucroy being traded until the off season. I just don't see a team that will give up the prospects needed for a Lucroy trade. Maybe the Red Sox get desperate but other than that I just don't see a trade forming.

[jerichoholicninja]

The Cubs have a big hitting catcher at Triple A. I don't see them going after Lucroy even if it is only for 1 season and a half.

[mlloyd10]

Besides Catcher, what else do the redsox need?

[Mudville9]

Maybe pitching. It would be nice if Peralta took off suddenly. Anderson might be an option. Red Sox and Yankees prospects always seem overhyped though. Sox have some nice prospects though.

[mlloyd10]

Lucroy/Anderson for Swihart/Devers/Owens

[reillymcshane]

The Cubs have a big hitting catcher at Triple A. I don't see them going after Lucroy even if it is only for 1 season and a half.

I agree. Wilson Contreras is pounding the ball at AAA - hitting .300+ with an OBP over over .400. 1.001 OPS.

 

Of course, it can't hurt to ask. The Cubbies want to give us Contreras, I'd do that.

[jerichoholicninja]

The Cubs have a big hitting catcher at Triple A. I don't see them going after Lucroy even if it is only for 1 season and a half.

I agree. Wilson Contreras is pounding the ball at AAA - hitting .300+ with an OBP over over .400. 1.001 OPS.

 

Of course, it can't hurt to ask. The Cubbies want to give us Contreras, I'd do that.

 

That might not be a bad idea. The Cubs can afford to resign and overpay Lucroy for the downside of his career making Contreras unneeded.

[MrTPlush]

This is Theo Epstein we are talking about. Not the guy in Arizona. Epstein is smart enough to not make an unnecessary trade and I highly doubt he would offer an old Lucroy a long term deal when they have one of the best catching prospects in the game...but hey that's just me.

 

The Cubs are built for long term success and that is the best way to increase your odds for a WS win. This isn't the NBA...you can't build a super team and have instant success. Baseball is all about getting to the playoffs and hoping you get hot.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

Today on a SNY broadcast Jim Duquette suggested a deal for Lucroy and Hill. How this guy had a GM job in the big leagues is beyond me.

 

The deal goes...

 

Mets Recieve

Lucroy

Hill

 

Brewers Recieve

Wilmer Flores (The Crybaby)

Gavin Cechinni or Nimmo

Gabriel Ynoa

 

I mean how can Duquette be this clueless? I would have to think about that deal just for Aaron Hill let a lone Lucroy. The Mets have been known to be cheap, but that's a package for Chooch.

[SRB]

Today on a SNY broadcast Jim Duquette suggested a deal for Lucroy and Hill. How this guy had a GM job in the big leagues is beyond me.

 

The deal goes...

 

Mets Recieve

Lucroy

Hill

 

Brewers Recieve

Wilmer Flores (The Crybaby)

Gavin Cechinni or Nimmo

Gabriel Ynoa

 

I mean how can Duquette be this clueless? I would have to think about that deal just for Aaron Hill let a lone Lucroy. The Mets have been known to be cheap, but that's a package for Chooch.

 

It's not as a bad as the whole Lucroy/Braun for Pablo Sandoval nonsense, but yeah it's pretty bad. I suppose if you value Flores as a Brett Phillips-caliber prospect (to use the failed Gomez deal as a comparator) it almost makes sense if we go back in time to when Lucroy was recovering from a concussion and had a lot of risk surrounding him, but still no. Not given the season Lucroy is having.

[splitterpfj]

The Mets were ready to send Wheeler and Flores for Gomez .... the return for Lucroy would be no less.

[wildcat2237]

The Mets were ready to send Wheeler and Flores for 1 1/2 years of Gomez and no compensation draft pick .... the return for 1 1/2 years of the best hitting catcher in the bigs in Lucroy would be much higher.

 

There we go. Fixed.

[paul253]

Gomez was under contract for more than half a season. It was one and a half, just like Lucroy.

 

That being said, I'm very underwhelmed by these trade ideas I've seen pop up for Lucroy. There should be no major leaguer in our return. It should be 2-3 high ceiling prospects.

[adambr2]

Today on a SNY broadcast Jim Duquette suggested a deal for Lucroy and Hill. How this guy had a GM job in the big leagues is beyond me.

 

The deal goes...

 

Mets Recieve

Lucroy

Hill

 

Brewers Recieve

Wilmer Flores (The Crybaby)

Gavin Cechinni or Nimmo

Gabriel Ynoa

 

I mean how can Duquette be this clueless? I would have to think about that deal just for Aaron Hill let a lone Lucroy. The Mets have been known to be cheap, but that's a package for Chooch.

 

That's a lot better than some of the trade proposals I've seen from Boston. Cechninni is a top 100 prospect at a premium position. Ynoa is a decent back end of the rotation prospect.

 

I agree I wouldn't do this deal for Lucroy, but Hill alone would never fetch this kind of a return, and if he somehow did, Stearns would and should jump on it in a heartbeat.

[pacopete4]

Gomez was under contract for more than half a season. It was one and a half, just like Lucroy.

 

That being said, I'm very underwhelmed by these trade ideas I've seen pop up for Lucroy. There should be no major leaguer in our return. It should be 2-3 high ceiling prospects.

 

 

I am hoping they can add to the Arcia/Phillips/Hader/Lopez group. If they can, this rebuild can really take off towards that group of players.