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[balsamlaker]

I agree that Wichita would be a great AAA location for Milwaukee, especially if they get a new ballpark. I read this article as a AAA club (maybe New Orleans) is going to buy a AA team (maybe Jackson) and move the AA team to New Orleans and the AAA to Wichita. Is that how others also read it?

[LincolnDD]

I agree that Wichita would be a great AAA location for Milwaukee, especially if they get a new ballpark. I read this article as a AAA club (maybe New Orleans) is going to buy a AA team (maybe Jackson) and move the AA team to New Orleans and the AAA to Wichita. Is that how others also read it?

 

Yeah, that's how I read it, too. Same owners for the AAA and AA teams (currently own AAA; will buy AA). And it's almost certainly going to be New Orleans making the move; being reported by media in both NOLA and Wichita now. Jackson is solid speculation: Bad attendance, old(er) stadium (relative to the league).

[brewmann04]

i wonder if this will be another 2 years with the new triple a team

[patrickgpe]

I believe it has to be a 2 year agreement with whoever it is as a pds can’t extend past the current labor agreement with mlbpa.

[wibadgers23]

When should we know where our new destination will be?

[And That]

When should we know where our new destination will be?

Before the end of the month, both for the AAA and rookie ball affiliations. The Helena franchise is moving to Colorado Springs, but that PDC was up this year as well. The Brewers' rookie ball team could wind up in Colorado Springs, Great Falls, Ogden, or Orem in the Pioneer League. They could also opt to jump over to the Appy League, though only Bluefield is known to be up there.

 

It's also not out of the realm of possibility that they add a short-season A-ball team in either the NY-Penn or Northwest League. Adding a Northwest League team would put them in close proximity to the Pioneer League, should they remain there as well. A handful of organizations have multiple advanced-rookie league teams, and the Brewers used to when they were affiliated with both Helena and Ogden in the Pioneer League 20-ish years ago.

[LincolnDD]

Negotiation period is Sept. 16-30, so during that window, and probably closer to the 16th than the 30th. Might start hearing some rumors before then, but can't be official until the window is open.

[LincolnDD]

Wichita making the move official now. New Orleans team is moving to Kansas (more accurately, they've filed the papers to move, pending approval).

[djoctagone]

oakland may want out of nashville . . .

[LincolnDD]

 

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Mayor Briley: "I did meet with the owners of the (Nationals) not about expansion, but the potential to align with the Sounds to be their triple A team. We've heard several major league teams looking at Nashville with the A's probably trying to get back towards the west coast."

10:24 AM - 6 Sep 2018

[homer]

These off season minor league affiliate swaps are becoming quite the soap operas.

[brewmann04]

I Believe they can sign either a 2 or 4 year agreement

[lamiwe21]

End of minor league club's season to Sept. 11: MLB or MiLB club gives the Commissioner or President written notice (by registered/certified mail or email only) that they would like to end the PDC. Such notices will be kept confidential until Sept. 12. If neither partner in the PDC submits this written notice, the PDC will continue for another term.

 

Sept. 12 - Sept. 15: The written notices from above will be revealed to all MLB and MiLB clubs that are subject to a PDC termination at the same level (ie. AAA, AA, etc.).

 

Sept. 16 - Sept. 30: Clubs that are subject to a PDC termination may start to discuss with each other about the possibility of forming a new PDC.

 

Oct. 7: Last possible date for clubs to voluntarily sign a PDC before the Commissioner assigns partners. This happened to Mobile when they changed affiliations to the Diamondbacks because their front office was off for the week.

 

A lot of these teams have had the PDC renewed and are just sitting on a news release for a slow news day or the leagues playoffs to end.

 

Am happy with Brewers in Biloxi but would love to see the Reds punted from Pensacola.

[lamiwe21]

A lot of the Nashville issues are a disagreement on who is repsonsbile for stadium perks that the Athletics have asked to be installed in their minor league stadiums. An example of this are slow motion cameras similiar to the ones that the Astros placed at their affiliates.

[MadThinker88]

I Believe they can sign either a 2 or 4 year agreement

 

It was my understanding that the PDC had to be in 2 year groups (either 2-4-6-8 etc).

 

I learned last week (as Cleveland & Lake County in low A Midwest league announced their extension) that the agreed to PDC can't go beyond the current CBA along with being a 2 year cycle. I guess that is a newer wrinkle.

[LincolnDD]

I Believe they can sign either a 2 or 4 year agreement

 

It was my understanding that the PDC had to be in 2 year groups (either 2-4-6-8 etc).

 

I learned last week (as Cleveland & Lake County in low A Midwest league announced their extension) that the agreed to PDC can't go beyond the current CBA along with being a 2 year cycle. I guess that is a newer wrinkle.

 

Curious about the details of that. There do seem to be fewer four-year deals this cycle, but there are a handful, so I wonder if there are just exceptions to the 2-year/CBA rule you mentioned.

 

A few weeks ago the Angels and Mobile signed a four-year deal with their current one set to this month. The Angels also extended with SLC through 2022, though that was on an existing deal that originally ran through 2020. Last March, the Pirates extended an additional four years with Altoona on a deal that was set to expire this year.

 

I could only find a handful more that run past 2020 in addition to the three I just mentioned, though not the signing details (Yankees/Trenton - AA; Tigers/West Michigan - Low A; Cubs/Eugene - SS A; Vancouver/Blue Jays - SS A). Two-year deals are usually the norm, but only seven deals that run past two years feels low.

 

If it's possible, I could see the Astros going four years with Round Rock, and the Mets can do whatever they want now with Syracuse. But I'd expect the rest of the remaining AAA deals to be made to be two-year regardless of any sort of limit placed by an expiring CBA.

 

If there is a limit, that could make the next PDC cycle a lot of fun. That and the prospect of potential MLB expansion (if Oakland and Tampa get their stadium stuff together) and the trickle down into MiLB would be crazy.

[folly412]

Latest mapping/projections:

 

https://ballparkdigest.com/200905261902/minor-league-baseball/news/affiliate-dance-2012

 

Would be awesome to win a fight to get back to Nashville, or at a minimum get Vegas while pushing the A's to Fresno. If we can't win again, it at least appears that something has to change by 2020 with all the expiring contracts.

 

Would be great if we could find another opportunity like Carolina where Mark A opens the wallet to put an end to the drama in perpetuity. I remember a note that they "may not be done" with that strategy at the time of the sale, where Biloxi seemed to be the most likely of our current affiliates to buy into. Seems AAA just has a lot of natural geographic fits which complicate things.

[FVBrewerFan]

Latest mapping/projections:

 

https://ballparkdigest.com/200905261902/minor-league-baseball/news/affiliate-dance-2012

 

Would be awesome to win a fight to get back to Nashville, or at a minimum get Vegas while pushing the A's to Fresno. If we can't win again, it at least appears that something has to change by 2020 with all the expiring contracts.

 

Would be great if we could find another opportunity like Carolina where Mark A opens the wallet to put an end to the drama in perpetuity. I remember a note that they "may not be done" with that strategy at the time of the sale, where Biloxi seemed to be the most likely of our current affiliates to buy into. Seems AAA just has a lot of natural geographic fits which complicate things.

 

Not sure this is "the latest projection " as article is from back in May. But I agree, would be great to buy a AAA affiliate. If I had to bet though, its hello Fresno.

[John Jahahaha]

Realistically, do we think that Stearns and Co. would let bygones be bygones with Nashville? Would love to be back there, but I remember how upset the Melvin regime was when they pulled the rug out from under the team.

[brewmann04]

I think your right Fresno but my choice is Las Vegas until the sign with a club.I don't think you see the Brewers going back to Nashville for the point you made about what they pulled on us.

[folly412]

 

Not sure this is "the latest projection " as article is from back in May. But I agree, would be great to buy a AAA affiliate. If I had to bet though, its hello Fresno.

 

Note that the original date is actually May 2009. It's a good bookmark, as they actually keep things quite up to date, at least for actuals. Some projections are questionable.

 

 

Realistically, do we think that Stearns and Co. would let bygones be bygones with Nashville? Would love to be back there, but I remember how upset the Melvin regime was when they pulled the rug out from under the team.

 

It'll be an uphill battle for sure. But it's good that it's Stearns and a plan that values a continually strong system vs. Melvin and a system that was near the bottom for years at the end there. Also hard to tell how much of the rug pull was Melvin PR talk vs. Melvin being naive...I recall pretty much everyone here being very aware Nashville was looking elsewhere and we needed to be looking for a new affiliate in mid-2014.

[FVBrewerFan]

I have never heard anyone say the words "Fresno....its not that bad." Theres nothing they could have done that I wouldn't forgive if it meant not moving to Fresno.

[LincolnDD]

Realistically, do we think that Stearns and Co. would let bygones be bygones with Nashville? Would love to be back there, but I remember how upset the Melvin regime was when they pulled the rug out from under the team.

 

It's in their best interest to. Nashville is the only good fit. We can sell ourselves on some of the benefits of Vegas (new facilities, lots of flights) and Fresno (neutral playing environment, especially compared to CS), but Nashville has all that stuff and without any of the flaws of the other two. It'd be different if there were other good options like an Indy or NOLA/Wichita, but now's not the time to let a grudge get in the way of what's best for the team/personnel.

 

I've been pretty firmly in the "it's gonna be Fresno" camp for the Crew, with the Nats in Nash, but from the Nashville POV, I think Milwaukee is the better fit: better record at AAA the last couple of years, and I think Washington would be less likely to send rehabbing players there because they've got closer affiliates in Virginia and Maryland. I also think Milwaukee would be more committed to the relationship, with Washington having an eye on returning the the International League asap. So the last thing we need is that nonsense from a few years ago getting in the way of a reunion. Nashville were the bad guys four years ago, but hopefully everyone can get over it.

[balsamlaker]

Nashville is definitely the best option for 2019 with option #2 being Wichita in 2021 with a placeholder for the next two years. The rookie league affiliate is also going to be very interesting as the only person who will like the Colorado Springs affiliation would be a bus driver getting paid by the hour. Returning to Ogden would be ideal if they plan on staying in the Pioneer League and maybe there is a chance as the LAD just announced four affiliation extensions, but not one with Ogden. Great Falls and Orem would also be Pioneer options likely better than Colorado Springs.

[walleye]

Nashville is definitely the best option for 2019 with option #2 being Wichita in 2021 with a placeholder for the next two years. The rookie league affiliate is also going to be very interesting as the only person who will like the Colorado Springs affiliation would be a bus driver getting paid by the hour. Returning to Ogden would be ideal if they plan on staying in the Pioneer League and maybe there is a chance as the LAD just announced four affiliation extensions, but not one with Ogden. Great Falls and Orem would also be Pioneer options likely better than Colorado Springs.

You would think the Rockies would have a keen interest in the sky Sox at the rookie level, lose to home easy to use for rehab etc .