Lucroy Trades/Proposals

[Mr Southpaw]

I am ok with trading for multiple catchers!

[MilwaukeesBest]

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/162613138/five-potential-trades-for-jonathan-lucroy

 

Potentially more buzz and opinions about five packages for Luc...

[crickets]

I wouldn't take any of these deals. Stearns is not looking for MLB talent back for Lucroy.

[mlloyd10]

Swihart and Owens. Done deal.

[pacopete4]

Swihart and Owens. Done deal.

 

 

This would be amazing. Toss in Will Smith and get that done. Red Sox wanna win now.

[Jenkins5]

I dont even consider any of those options....all terrible.

[SRB]

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/162613138/five-potential-trades-for-jonathan-lucroy

 

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The Houston one is sort of intriguing, though I don't see why we really need Marisnick. Max Stassi could be an interesting gamble as Lucroy's replacement, good on defense and catching prospects sometimes take a while to develop offensively. I really like Francis Martes.

[reillymcshane]

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/162613138/five-potential-trades-for-jonathan-lucroy

 

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Nothing very exciting here. The author clearly doesn't think Luc is worth an elite prospect in return. Maybe one or two of the players mentioned are Top 100 players, but it's really full of a lot of okay - but not that good - prospects. He also seems obsessed with returning a catcher to Milwaukee, which isn't how we should be thinking. The Houston deal was really awful.

 

Getting Swihart straight up was the one deal where a team is trading a Top prospect (not that Swihart is a prospect anymore, but he's got less than a year of experience and was a top guy just last year).

 

I give the guy credit for thinking of some deals, but I'd pass on most of this. A bag of average prospects is not what I want for Luc. I want some high upside guys. If no one wants to give up something good, I'd rather just keep Luc and roll with him until someone does want to pay the right price. It's a risk, but guys like Max Stassi and Jason Masnarick are not going to do it for me.

[Fear The Chorizo]

these are the types of packages that would make sense if the Brewers are trading Lucroy at the deadline...next season. Definitely not worth 2 full seasons of Lucroy at his incredibly reasonable pricetag, and with the idea that the contending team trading for Lucroy would have more than enough opportunity to extend his contract through the rest of his prime years.

[brewcrewdue80]

HAhaha on the Cubs deal. They'd get Lucroy and Guerrieri and give up a bunch of lackeys to do so. Almora isn't anything flashy that the Brewers don't already have. Why do the Rays get McKinney and Vogelbach+ who personally would be better fits in a trade with the Cubs for the Brewers than Almora. For Guerrieri? When did he perform to net such a return while Lucroy gets back next to nothing?

Swihart for Lucroy straight up...um no. Lucroy is a sure thing. Swihart is a 5year controlled uncertainty. Owens and helps Milw how?

 

 

It's like the writer went to find every older unusable and less thought of prospects to trade for Lucroy. Why wouldn't they go after the younger uber talents like Eloy Jimenez, Garrett Whitley, or Rafael Devers? Only the Houston proposal with Martes do you appear to get young talent.

[Jenkins5]

I'd gladly take Blake Swihart if Kopech or Espinoza are also included....throw in young 1B prospect Ockimey or Longhi.

 

I went to an Astro fan forum and they were really underselling Lucroy, debating if the offer from the article was to much value. It is laughable to me because Martes is a very nice young prospect but Marisnick is not worth much for us with Phillips coming up. Singleton many of them threw out there but he doesn't give us much with Carter on team already. Stassi is okay, I wouldn't touch Castro.

 

DS knows the Astros system top to bottom than almost anyone. If he does a trade with them, he will get the most value he can get. I think you have to take AJ Reed. Get AJ Reed and fill in the rest.

 

Rangers are still my favorite and landing Brinson

[SRB]

If no one wants to give up something good, I'd rather just keep Luc and roll with him until someone does want to pay the right price. It's a risk, but guys like Max Stassi and Jason Masnarick are not going to do it for me.

 

Martes would be the most valuable part of the trade. He has very high upside.

[pacopete4]

I'd gladly take Blake Swihart if Kopech or Espinoza are also included....throw in young 1B prospect Ockimey or Longhi.

 

 

I would take Swihart in a heart beat. Getting a 24 year old, switch hitting catcher who's not a free agent until 2022 and has shown signs of brilliance with the bat (2nd half stats: .303/.353/.453/.805) would be a huge get for the Brewers. I'm not even sure the Red Sox, who have plenty of catching, would even trade him.

 

Kopech would be a guy to target because he was caught for 50 games already and they might want to unload him.

[reillymcshane]

If no one wants to give up something good, I'd rather just keep Luc and roll with him until someone does want to pay the right price. It's a risk, but guys like Max Stassi and Jason Masnarick are not going to do it for me.

 

Martes would be the most valuable part of the trade. He has very high upside.

I don't know much about Martas, but the other guys aren't exciting.

 

Stassi is a .245 hitter in the minors - .232 at AAA. He just can't hit, so he's likely a back up.

 

Marisnick can't hit either .236 on almost 700 ABs in the majors. 199 strikeouts, only 32 walks. He is 25 in March, and he's got some good tools, but he looks like a defensive back up type.

 

In the end, even if Martes slips into the Top 100, it's him and a couple of back ups in the proposed deal. I want more. If the club likes Martes, then they go after other guys who have higher upsides.

[molitor fan]

if Jakson Reetz has another season like 2015 he will be real easy to get because the Nats will be releasing him....Last year was an abomination for Reetz and his star has fallen considerably.

 

I work with Trea Turner's former neighbor and Turner's dad's best friend so I follow him pretty closely...would be surprised to see him included in any deal

[Jenkins5]

if Jakson Reetz has another season like 2015 he will be real easy to get because the Nats will be releasing him....Last year was an abomination for Reetz and his star has fallen considerably.

 

I work with Trea Turner's former neighbor and Turner's dad's best friend so I follow him pretty closely...would be surprised to see him included in any deal

 

Reetz was 19, learning curves happen.... He is not getting cut or anything else

[Austin Tatious]

Those trade proposals are worse than bad, they are offensive. Phil Rogers is a Cubs homer and seems to be going through mental gymnastics to try to maneuver the Cubs into getting an impact player without giving up a substantial prospect. The Brewers are not here to be a AAAA feeder team. When the Cubs had a pitcher like Smardizja, the Cubs packaged him and got Addison Russell. The Cubs traded for Rizzo. Arrieta came on more than expected but he was another one. The Braves packaged Shelby Miller for Dansby Swanson. I've got news for you, neither Miller or Smarizja are aces. Package Lucroy if need be.

 

But Lucroy is a prized commodity. Research every catcher in the league and then research the top ten prospects in the minors. It's a joke. Lucroy is a prize. There's a massive shortage of quality catchers. Look at it this way, the second Lucroy is traded, it will be brutal for the Brewers to get another quality catcher. The only motivation for the Brewers is they have time in a rebuild through high draft picks and another team needs to make it worth our while in a trade. Without an overpay in a trade, the Brewers don't need to trade such a valuable commodity. These writers are just trying to fix the contending lineups without rigorous analysis of what motivates the Brewers fairly and what past precedent requires. It's disappointing, really. If Phil Rogers were a Milwaukee writer instead of a Chicago writer, he'd be talking about larger hauls, book it. Lucroy doesn't have the same national name he'd have on the Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, Cubs, Dodgers, etc.

 

Lucroy is under control with a low salary that can be extended reasonably. He's an extrovert and a team leader. He can command pitchers and frame. He's a doubles machine. He hit well the second half of last year. The concussion thing is laughable - he's not Corey Koskie.

 

The national writers love to get inside scoop from the big market executives and exaggerate the value of big market talent and trade values. It would be absolutely idiotic for the Brewers to take back the middling talent suggested in these pieces. If needed, you can package Lucroy with another piece or two to make it more palatable to the other team. But Lucroy is a valuable asset and the Brewers need young, high ceiling assets back, not middling, older or major league garbage back. If that were the case, then just keep him. If you look at what Gomez fetched, Lucroy is more valuable, easily. That bar needs surpassed. There is lots of precedent for really good packages of prospects coming back for top players.

 

If another team doesn't like it, they can pound sand, or risk losing him to their competitor. You can play the Rangers off the A's off the Astros, for example. The Cubs would have to overpay not underpay as suggested. The Cubs would actually have to give up something of value to get something of value if they want him.

[Austin Tatious]

By the way, I love the leaks to the biased national press that the Brewers demands are sky high, as if that should intimidate the Brewers. Hold firm. We've got something that's valuable. Work something creatively by adding players from our end. But we need impact value back. This is our chance.

[brewmann04]

Stearns is not giving up Luc for Nothing that is for sure. Teams have to know they going to have to give up something good to get him.

[brewcrewdue80]

I feel good about the return that will come. The Rangers return that has been rumored the Brewers are asking for Gallo. If Gallo is a top 10 prospect in all of baseball, you're looking at that kind of value in return to start.

Boston wants him, it should cost Rafael Devers.

Washington wants him, I'd guess Trea Turner.

Rays-Blake Snell

Cubs-Schwarber

Astros-Any combo of their top prospects. Bregman I'd let them keep to get say Tucker/Martes combo. Reed/Martes combo. I think with Bregman giving up the #1 prospect in their system who I'm not enamored with would result in not getting that 2nd combo of player you'd like in Reed/Martes.

Am I aiming too high? Well, if Gallo is the asking price, no not at all.

[JohnBriggs12]

I wouldn't take any of these deals. Stearns is not looking for MLB talent back for Lucroy.

 

And you know this because?

 

A. Everybody assumes it

 

B. Stearns has let you in on it

 

C. It's not possible a young player already in the majors has any appeal whatsoever because they are building for 2023 and beyond when Arcia will be gone, not 2020

 

It's not what you would take Crickets, it's what Stearns would take and unless Stearns is on here or you have a pipeline to what he's thinking, I wouldn't rule out any possibility but I agree, none of these proposals are appealing, but not because some players have major league experience.

[StearnsFTW]

I really hope the centerpiece for Lucroy isn't Gallo. That guy scares me.

I'd be totally fine with any of the other players mentioned by brewcrewdude as headliners.

[JohnBriggs12]

I really hope the centerpiece for Lucroy isn't Gallo. That guy scares me.

I'd be totally fine with any of the other players mentioned by brewcrewdude as headliners.

 

I'm with you 100%. Gallo = Matt Davidson.

[crickets]

I wouldn't take any of these deals. Stearns is not looking for MLB talent back for Lucroy.

 

And you know this because?

 

A. Everybody assumes it

 

B. Stearns has let you in on it

 

C. It's not possible a young player already in the majors has any appeal whatsoever because they are building for 2023 and beyond when Arcia will be gone, not 2020

 

It's not what you would take Crickets, it's what Stearns would take and unless Stearns is on here or you have a pipeline to what he's thinking, I wouldn't rule out any possibility but I agree, none of these proposals are appealing, but not because some players have major league experience.

 

B. Stearns has let you in on it

[pacopete4]

Gallo is intriguing but if he is all we are getting in return, yikes. He could be a huge bust. I know, I know... they all could be. But that guy hasn't shown the ability to put the ball in play very often. Granted when he does its 400ft but I know like most of you, I am tired of that approach.