Lucroy Trades/Proposals

[crickets]

Would love to grab any one of these guys in a package for Lucroy

 

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/163473620/prospects-giolito-urias-lead-pitching-tools?topicid=151437456

 

Think Giolioto, Urias, Gray and Hoffman are off the board, but Jay/Honeywell/Tate would be nice in a package with others.

[And That]

I honestly don't think the Nationals even consider trading Giolito for Lucroy and Smith.

[NievesNoNO]

Yeah, I don't think Washington considers trading Giolito. It sure would be nice to have a pitcher with that type of talent and pedigree in the system though. In the hypothetical situation I'd actually rather take a few players lower on the prospect charts in two separate deals for Lucroy and Smith. Gio looks to be an ace in the making but he's still just one player. I'd rather spread the risk out a bit.

[Jenkins5]

Giolito is a silly pipe dream. Lucroy does not have that type of value to land the top pitching prospect in all of the minors. Lucroy & Smith probably don't scratch surface still. It is great to think about but not realistic. Not many teams are going to give up 6 years of what is seen to be a future Ace who will be ready very soon for 2 years of Lucroy. People on here deeply overvalue Lucroy.

[fondybrewfan]

You would have to give Lucroy and Arcia or something like that to get Giolito back I imagine.

[Bnowell4evr]

I've come to the conclusion that Victor Robles is probably the best prospect we could get in return for Lucroy. He's the only guy I see that's attainable that has a future as a possible Top 10 prospect. He's already rated in the top 50 by some sites and has never even played in A ball.

 

Unfortunately some people will look at him and say we don't have a need with the glut of outfielders we have but he's on another level talent wise. He reminds me of a young Carlos Gomez with a much better hit tool.

[jerichoholicninja]

In a vacuum I would agree that Lucroy doesn't get Giolito. However every free agent the Nats went after this offseason turned them down. They've had very talented teams the last few years and really have nothing to show for it. I could see them getting desperate especially when their only competition in the division is the Mets who may have great pitching but are lacking offense.

[beekay414]

We aren't getting Giolito for Luc. It's that simple.

 

My offer would be something like Luc and Smith for Ramos, Robles, Fedde, Voth and Franco

[nate82]

How about this?

 

Lucroy to the Mariners for: Mike Zunino, Alex Jackson, and Peterson

Jackson and Khris Davis to the Rays for: Taylor Guerrieri, Richie Shaffer, Chris Betts, and Cameron Seitzer.

 

Brewers get Zunino, Guerrieri, Peterson, Betts and Seitzer.

 

Mariners get Lucroy and Shaffer.

 

Rays get Davis and Jackson.

[MrTPlush]

How about this?

 

Lucroy to the Mariners for: Mike Zunino, Alex Jackson, and Peterson

Jackson and Khris Davis to the Rays for: Taylor Guerrieri, Richie Shaffer, Chris Betts, and Cameron Seitzer.

 

Brewers get Zunino, Guerrieri, Peterson, Betts and Seitzer.

 

Mariners get Lucroy and Shaffer.

 

Rays get Davis and Jackson.

 

That looks like an awful deal for the Brewers...really awful. Looks like you are going for need and not value.

[beekay414]

That's, uh, pretty awful.

 

I don't get the infatuation with trying to fill roster holes with the Luc trade. You get the best talent you can. You don't worry about 3B and 1B in the return.

[nate82]

 

That looks like an awful deal for the Brewers...really awful. Looks like you are going for need and not value.

 

There is plenty of value for the Brewers. Guerrieri being the biggest value in another year Lucroy alone wouldn't even get Guerrieri you would need to give up someone like Arcia to get him. Betts is a really good hitting catcher and if he is able to stay at catcher his value will be that of Lucroy's. While Seitzer is someone that the Brewers can put at 1B now and share time with Carter at 1B and possibly even take over. Seitzer brings a lot of OBP to a team that is going to need a lot in the future.

 

Peterson can be a real boom or bust but I am willing to bet on him becoming a boom either at 1B or in the OF. While Zunino has been rushed to the majors he just barely has over 100 games in the minors and most of that was in AA. Zunino would start out in AAA for the Brewers and actually be allowed to develop instead of trying to develop in the majors.

 

If Zunino develops for the Brewers that will be 2 players who would rank in the top 25 of any prospect list. Betts is another player who can develop into a top 50-100 type player. With Peterson being a big question mark he is another top 100 type of a player. The only filler player is Seitzer and he is a very good filler type of a player.

[StearnsFTW]

Honestly don't think the Brewers could get Giolito for any 5 major leaguers on their roster.

[SRB]

Honestly don't think the Brewers could get Giolito for any 5 major leaguers on their roster.

 

Prospects aren't that valuable, but yeah Lucroy isn't going to cut it for a top-10 prospect. Even Gallo is too much to ask.

[MrTPlush]

 

That looks like an awful deal for the Brewers...really awful. Looks like you are going for need and not value.

 

Guerrieri being the biggest value in another year Lucroy alone wouldn't even get Guerrieri you would need to give up someone like Arcia to get him.

 

If Zunino develops for the Brewers that will be 2 players who would rank in the top 25 of any prospect list.

 

Two thoughts:

 

If it was that simple I don't think the Rays would trade him now.

 

Zunino has a long way to go and only has 4 years of control. Exactly the player we shouldn't be acquiring. Little interest in him.

[StearnsFTW]

Honestly don't think the Brewers could get Giolito for any 5 major leaguers on their roster.

 

Prospects aren't that valuable, but yeah Lucroy isn't going to cut it for a top-10 prospect. Even Gallo is too much to ask.

 

I guess it's a commentary on the value of our mlb roster more than anything.

[CheeseheadInQC]

There is plenty of value for the Brewers. Guerrieri being the biggest value in another year Lucroy alone wouldn't even get Guerrieri you would need to give up someone like Arcia to get him. Betts is a really good hitting catcher and if he is able to stay at catcher his value will be that of Lucroy's. While Seitzer is someone that the Brewers can put at 1B now and share time with Carter at 1B and possibly even take over. Seitzer brings a lot of OBP to a team that is going to need a lot in the future.

 

Peterson can be a real boom or bust but I am willing to bet on him becoming a boom either at 1B or in the OF. While Zunino has been rushed to the majors he just barely has over 100 games in the minors and most of that was in AA. Zunino would start out in AAA for the Brewers and actually be allowed to develop instead of trying to develop in the majors.

 

If Zunino develops for the Brewers that will be 2 players who would rank in the top 25 of any prospect list. Betts is another player who can develop into a top 50-100 type player. With Peterson being a big question mark he is another top 100 type of a player. The only filler player is Seitzer and he is a very good filler type of a player.

 

Although Zunino and Peterson might be interesting buy-low candidates, this doesn't feel like buying low. Zunino is apparently in the midst of a complete swing overhaul, so I don't know how changing coaching staffs would affect that, and it really has to be successful for him to have much value given his production last season. As for Peterson, unless there is some injury that I don't know about, few offense-first college first-rounders have had as bad of minor league seasons as Peterson had last year, and almost none of those end up succeeding. Even most of the power prospects who flame out at the big league level are good to great throughout their rise to the majors.

[brewmann04]

This will take time to make a deal to get us the best deal. This has to get the brewers set for the future.

[StearnsFTW]

 

That looks like an awful deal for the Brewers...really awful. Looks like you are going for need and not value.

 

Guerrieri being the biggest value in another year Lucroy alone wouldn't even get Guerrieri you would need to give up someone like Arcia to get him.

 

If Zunino develops for the Brewers that will be 2 players who would rank in the top 25 of any prospect list.

 

Two thoughts:

 

If it was that simple I don't think the Rays would trade him now.

 

Zunino has a long way to go and only has 4 years of control. Exactly the player we shouldn't be acquiring. Little interest in him.

 

Agree wholeheartedly. Get the best value you can with the most control possible.

[FVBrewerFan]

Honestly don't think the Brewers could get Giolito for any 5 major leaguers on their roster.

 

Prospects aren't that valuable, but yeah Lucroy isn't going to cut it for a top-10 prospect. Even Gallo is too much to ask.

 

Lucroy isn't that valuable TODAY. However, if he has a good spring training, then starts off April hot it will really help his value. Especially if he shows he still has some power.

 

I think some teams would love to have the pre-2015 Lucroy, but are scared to death to trade valuable assets for a 2015 Lucroy. It's that simple.

[Mudville9]

Honestly don't think the Brewers could get Giolito for any 5 major leaguers on their roster.

 

Prospects aren't that valuable, but yeah Lucroy isn't going to cut it for a top-10 prospect. Even Gallo is too much to ask.

 

Lucroy isn't that valuable TODAY. However, if he has a good spring training, then starts off April hot it will really help his value. Especially if he shows he still has some power.

 

I think some teams would love to have the pre-2015 Lucroy, but are scared to death to trade valuable assets for a 2015 Lucroy. It's that simple.

 

If you are talking injuries, I agree. I think he had a decent year while healthy though, didn't he?

[gregmag]

Maybe there's something I'm missing here, but it seems pretty clear that Lucroy held his value when he was healthy last year. He had an uncharacteristically crappy start, then got hurt, came back healthy, and basically hit like career Jonathan Lucroy.

 

So isn't the only real, affirmative basis for concern his concussion, which caused the Brewers not to have him catch at the end of last year? If so, can't the acquiring team resolve that concern via medical examination?

 

This is important because, as others have said, it's very hard to trade a starting catcher except in the offseason. We probably can't give him ST and April to look good, then trade him. It's now or next offseason. I'm not especially worried that he'll lose value by having a bad year, but the facts that he'll be a year older and have only one cheap year left on his contract rather than two make him substantially more valuable now than he'll be in a year.

[mlloyd10]

Lucroy batted .290 with an OPS of .808 the second half of the season

[trwi7]

Lucroy batted .290 with an OPS of .808 the second half of the season

 

Yeah, he was basically the same player he's been in the second half. I don't think teams should be too concerned about that. The concussion thing I get because we were cautious and sat him and only let him play 1B when he came back. While he's probably okay given that he's had 5 months without the risk of getting hit in the face with a foul ball, no team can be 100% sure of that and no team is going to give up elite catcher value when there's a risk, even just a slight one of him being a 1st baseman only from now on.

[adambr2]

That's the thing, Lucroy's value is completely and totally dependent on his ability to catch. As a catcher, he's worth a top prospect. As a first baseman, he's completely worthless.

 

Not saying he's a terrible first baseman, just that first basemen with his numbers are a dime a dozen, catchers with his numbers are rare.