Lucroy Trades/Proposals

[trwi7]

From Rosenthal

 

#Nationals, who have shown interest in #Brewers’ Lucroy, are one of eight teams on his no-trade list, according to sources.

 

Lucroy, of course, could waive no-trade rights - perhaps in exchange for extension that would start in 17 and eliminate $5.25M club option.

 

Hey, if he wants to go to a winning team, perhaps he would waive it for nothing in exchange.

[pacopete4]

If he were to be traded and didn't waive his no trade clause I'd be shocked. I mean he did say he wanted to compete for a ring.

[MrTPlush]

If he were to be traded and didn't waive his no trade clause I'd be shocked. I mean he did say he wanted to compete for a ring.

 

Yah to be honest winning is everything to him after all. Not to mention trying to take out the team option would all but assure him to not be traded. That would kill a huge portion of his value and the Brewers would then just hold onto him or trade him somewhere else. If you ask me I think I would want to go to the Nationals if I was him. Solid roster built to be successful.

[reillymcshane]

From Rosenthal

 

#Nationals, who have shown interest in #Brewers’ Lucroy, are one of eight teams on his no-trade list, according to sources.

 

Lucroy, of course, could waive no-trade rights - perhaps in exchange for extension that would start in 17 and eliminate $5.25M club option.

 

Hey, if he wants to go to a winning team, perhaps he would waive it for nothing in exchange.

I'd love Trea Turner. Slide him over to 2B - that's a future middle of the diamond.

[FVBrewerFan]

Still dreaming they package Lucroy with someone else and get a haul similar to the Gomez/Fiers trade. If Stearns can pull off one more trade like that before April, I'll be ecstatic.

 

Side note, who is Lucroy's agent? Just seems like if he was a Boras client he would have been traded by now.

[NievesNoNO]

It's a little curious to me to see the no trade info come out. Makes me think something might be in the works. I know that kind of stuff gets communicated on a fairly regular basis so maybe I'm reading into it too much.

[brewmann04]

it will be intresting to see what happens when the crew does move LUC. You have to think that they will be able to add at least on stud and 2 top prospects. Stearns needs to take his time to get the best deal to bulid thie future of the crew in 2017.

[wildcat2237]

it will be intresting to see what happens when the crew does move LUC. You have to think that they will be able to add at least on stud and 2 top prospects. Stearns needs to take his time to get the best deal to bulid thie future of the crew in 2017.

 

This is a massive understatement. The Lucroy return will be huge for the future of the franchise. Stearns will likely be getting at least 3 players back. Get all three right and that could be the future. Mess it up and it could extend the rebuild 2-3 years.

[Jenkins5]

it will be intresting to see what happens when the crew does move LUC. You have to think that they will be able to add at least on stud and 2 top prospects. Stearns needs to take his time to get the best deal to bulid thie future of the crew in 2017.

 

This is a massive understatement. The Lucroy return will be huge for the future of the franchise. Stearns will likely be getting at least 3 players back. Get all three right and that could be the future. Mess it up and it could extend the rebuild 2-3 years.

 

Depends, if you are taking Gallo or Turner, you're prob not getting 3 back unless we add someone. Brinson & Mazara probably only get you 2 prospects as well. Brinson & Jurado or Mazara and Mendez would probably be best we get with those guys. Daniels is too smart to pay much more. Brinson & Ortiz would probably be a pretty popular pick but think that is more than Rangers will give now that Brinson and Mazara are considered top 20 prospects in basball.

 

 

Don't be shocked if a deal with the Nationals is centered around Victor Robles. He is a metric hero, has five tools, and is only 18 going on 19 in May. With Robles, you can get more value out of the trade and slip in a couple more prospects. Turner is close to MLB and a top 10 prospect in baseball, you're not getting much else in package. Robles seems like a guys Stearns and his staff would drool over and force him into any deal.

 

My top 5 others to target

OF (#3)Victor Robles 19 year old, A ball

3B (#10) Anderson Franco 18 yr old, A- or A

SP (#5)Reynaldo Lopez 22, AA

C (Top 20) Raudy Read 22, A+ or AA

RHP Maximo Valerio, 20, A

 

 

Lucroy for Robles, Franco, & Valerio all high upside guys to blossom into top prospects. Many people will dislike it because how far away the players are or say it isn't enough but I am very high on them. Robles and Franco have all the talent to soon be top prospects in system and MILB.

[MKE81]

Love it when people say Lucroy is "just being honest". If I told my peers and manager in the office tomorrow that I thought they were all garbage performers and our team's production sucks and I'm going to look for a new job with a better company/culture how well would that go over? but hey, I was just being honest. Lucroy is looking to make bank and will only do so with a trade hence his comments publicly. If he had a 5yr extension already in place he'd be a happy camper mentoring the young fellas coming through soon. I have no issues with his mind set - it's how and what he says I have an issue with. Like all jobs, the strong performers will always have/find a job where their comp grows

[danzig6767]

Love it when people say Lucroy is "just being honest". If I told my peers and manager in the office tomorrow that I thought they were all garbage performers and our team's production sucks and I'm going to look for a new job with a better company/culture how well would that go over? but hey, I was just being honest. Lucroy is looking to make bank and will only do so with a trade hence his comments publicly. If he had a 5yr extension already in place he'd be a happy camper mentoring the young fellas coming through soon. I have no issues with his mind set - it's how and what he says I have an issue with. Like all jobs, the strong performers will always have/find a job where their comp grows

I don't buy your theory. If Lucroy were to get traded to any team not on his no trade list, they'd have no more obligation to give him a big contract extension right away than the Brewers do. I don't think he'd be a happy camper either as you put it to stay here long term if we just paid him.

 

FWIW, i'm not naive. Sure he is looking forward to the day of getting a big next contract, but i also believe him when he says that at this point in his career, he would rather not spend the next two years or potentially longer on a team with no realistic shot of the playoffs before the season started. Stearns has said he understands this and if i'm a player on the Brewers, why the hell should i have such thin skin to get offended? Keep in mind, most of the players on the 25 man roster next year will be younger guys either trying to keep a roster spot, trying to earn playing time, trying to perform well to get paid more in arbitration, etc. They aren't going to be instead losing sleep over something Lucroy said on the radio months earlier, if Lucroy isn't traded by then.

 

Plus, so often sports fans try making these silly comparisons between professional athletes and themselves with comments like if i did the same thing as X athlete did, then this would happen to me. Sorry to break it to you, but professional athletes aren't the same as someone working in an office cubicle or a forklift driver. There is a reason why nobody in the media is coming around to ask how you or other regular folks like your job situation. It's because nobody else cares. Professional athletes live in a completely different world for a wide variety of reasons. A large reason among those being that the average worker is easily replaceable while upper tier professional athletes at their given positions are very rare, and thus not easily replaceable. So they can often do and say things that you can't.

[adambr2]

If he were to be traded and didn't waive his no trade clause I'd be shocked. I mean he did say he wanted to compete for a ring.

 

Yah to be honest winning is everything to him after all. Not to mention trying to take out the team option would all but assure him to not be traded. That would kill a huge portion of his value and the Brewers would then just hold onto him or trade him somewhere else. If you ask me I think I would want to go to the Nationals if I was him. Solid roster built to be successful.

 

It's still the only leverage he has. He might prefer to be traded but at his age and with his team friendly contract he might want to use that leverage. I don't suspect that the Nationals will be willing to waive Lucroy's option year, because a lot of Lucroy's value is from that extra year of club control. But I wouldn't be surprised if Lucroy asks for a few million extra tacked on to the option to agree to the trade.

[fondybrewfan]

Who the heck plays C if Lucroy does get traded? Even if we are rebuilding I don't want to see Maldonado every day behind the plate. Yuck. Do we even have any in house candidates? No one else on the 40 man. Wiesenberger maybe? At least he has one very good specific tool in his walk rate. No idea if he is considered a good defensive catcher. Pretty solid caught stealing percentage.

[yoshii8]

I'm ok with him saying it, but I don't want guys on our team with that attitude. We need to go into this rebuild with a positive attitude, and if he's going to sulk and feel bad for himself than trade him. He definitely has value, so get the most you can for him and move on.

[Oldcity]

Who the heck plays C if Lucroy does get traded?

This should be the least of Stearns' worries. Maldonado and somebody they claim after Spring when rosters are cut down, I guess?

[Jenkins5]

in trade with Nationals, maybe they take Ramos as well.

[brewerfan82]

They've also acquired a few catchers this offseason that could compete for a spot: Josmil Pinto, Manny Pina and Rene Garcia.

[Boomer5]

Still dreaming they package Lucroy with someone else and get a haul similar to the Gomez/Fiers trade. If Stearns can pull off one more trade like that before April, I'll be ecstatic.

 

Side note, who is Lucroy's agent? Just seems like if he was a Boras client he would have been traded by now.

 

Wouldnt a Luc/Anderson trade be a similar package to the Gomez/Fiers trade in terms of WAR and years control?

 

Id expect at least an Astros haul if we put a package like that.

[narwhalattack]

Who the heck plays C if Lucroy does get traded? Even if we are rebuilding I don't want to see Maldonado every day behind the plate. Yuck. Do we even have any in house candidates? No one else on the 40 man. Wiesenberger maybe? At least he has one very good specific tool in his walk rate. No idea if he is considered a good defensive catcher. Pretty solid caught stealing percentage.

 

It doesn't make much of a difference. We're not competing anytime soon, so we can put a pan of lasagna behind the plate for all I care.

[JohnBriggs12]

Who the heck plays C if Lucroy does get traded? Even if we are rebuilding I don't want to see Maldonado every day behind the plate. Yuck. Do we even have any in house candidates? No one else on the 40 man. Wiesenberger maybe? At least he has one very good specific tool in his walk rate. No idea if he is considered a good defensive catcher. Pretty solid caught stealing percentage.

 

While I don't think Lucroy will get traded before this year's deadline at the earliest, just think back to the annual pursuit of the Chad Moeller, Damien Miller and Johnny Estradas of the world. History will likely repeat itself. Maybe they'll use a top pick on a catcher. Who knows? We do know Maldonado is not a starting caliber catcher even on a team in the midst of a rebuild.

[nodakfan17]

Who the heck plays C if Lucroy does get traded? Even if we are rebuilding I don't want to see Maldonado every day behind the plate. Yuck. Do we even have any in house candidates? No one else on the 40 man. Wiesenberger maybe? At least he has one very good specific tool in his walk rate. No idea if he is considered a good defensive catcher. Pretty solid caught stealing percentage.

 

It doesn't make much of a difference. We're not competing anytime soon, so we can put a pan of lasagna behind the plate for all I care.

For the most part, I agree, but at what point does it become a detriment to the development of a young pitcher(s)?

[Mudville9]

While I agree the catching situation will get ugly, I think we are much better off trading Lucroy than keeping him. I believe something like this has been discussed in another thread, but we can always trade for a catcher when we are competitive again. I think the danger of Lucroy getting another concussion this year or next year is high enough that we trade him when we get a reasonable offer. I hope he does well on his new team and goes on to be All Star, but we need the prospects more than above average catching for the next two or three years.

[Lee16]

After we trade Lucroy, the best catcher in the Brewers organization will be Bob Uecker.

[FVBrewerFan]

Still dreaming they package Lucroy with someone else and get a haul similar to the Gomez/Fiers trade. If Stearns can pull off one more trade like that before April, I'll be ecstatic.

 

Side note, who is Lucroy's agent? Just seems like if he was a Boras client he would have been traded by now.

 

Wouldnt a Luc/Anderson trade be a similar package to the Gomez/Fiers trade in terms of WAR and years control?

 

Id expect at least an Astros haul if we put a package like that.

 

Fiers > Anderson, but Lucroy > Gomez. So on paper it's probably close. I do think teams overpay at the trade deadline though, seems like you get a better return then.

 

But I think the elephant in the room is Lucroy is coming off a bad year. I don't care what anyone says, other teams have to be concerned if that was a blip, or if this will be closer to the norm for a 30 yr old catcher.

[reillymcshane]

David Schoenfield at ESPN was doing a chat and he said Lucroy is easily worth a Top 5 prospect + more. Some people were trying to concoct deals with lesser people, and he was shooting them down.

 

He said the Brewers feel he's worth 2 top 5 type guys.

 

He suggested Trea Turner + something extra from Washington would be a nice deal (the Nats could then re-sign Desmond to play SS).