Lind to Mariners for 3 lower level RHP prospects (Daniel Missaki, Carlos Herrera, Freddy Peralta)

[reillymcshane]

I don't know anything about these guys (other than the brief write ups people have posted), but being lower system guys, I have to trust that the Brewers have done their due diligence about them, and feel like they are good additions to our organization. Even more so than say adding a player like Zunino or Peterson.

 

A big reason these guys aren't on current prospect lists is because the rankings are set in the pre-season and/or updated in mid-season (like MLB Top 30). Perhaps if a system update had been done yesterday, some of these players would have been Top 30 types.

 

I think the team needs to be loading up on players, and this helps. No, there's no Top 100 guys (yet), but the nature of prospects is so fickle (especially pitchers). You often need to throw 5 or 6 guys into the developmental wringer to come out with a gem.

 

I didn't expect a ton of trade value for Lind. I was thinking a buy low guy like Peterson was a likely return (former Top 100 guy coming off a bad year). I don't know if this is a better deal than Peterson or Zunino - but I think it's a good way to get things going.

[reillymcshane]

It's nugget accumulation time, folks. No quick fixes.

Nicely said. I think this is a long haul rebuild. With the rising cost of veteran players, it's become even more evident that we need to develop talent from within, and acquire young talent whenever possible, and free agency and long term deals, for the most part, becomes the purvey of other franchises.

[reillymcshane]

Baseball America runs down the trade:

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/trade-central-mariners-get-lind-brewers/

[BrewBalls]

We know Stearns is an analytics guy. It's striking based on the data that's been provided how all three guys have high SO/BB ratios. The ERA was nothing to write home about, but all three had killer SO/BB ratio.

 

From an analytics standpoint, that jumps off the page.

These numbers also indicate all three possess advanced control for being so young. Thus far, Stearns has targeted young, versatile, above average defensive MLB ready players and young pitchers who possess good control and produce solid K/BB numbers.

[Brewer Fever]

From the Baseball America article posted by reillymcshane above...

 

None of the three pitchers the Brewers received are prominent prospects and all three might not even make the Brewers’ Top 30, but then, they have a very deep system.

 

Amazing thing to read given where things stood just a short year ago. Shorter than that really.

[MrTPlush]

From the Baseball America article posted by reillymcshane above...

 

None of the three pitchers the Brewers received are prominent prospects and all three might not even make the Brewers’ Top 30, but then, they have a very deep system.

 

Amazing thing to read given where things stood just a short year ago. Shorter than that really.

 

And we haven't even added Lucroy's mega haul or our Top 5 pick from next June. A lot to be looking forward to.

[Thurston Fluff]

I think what a lot of people don't like is that Stearns is not doing the typical run of the mill stuff a GM would do in these situations.

 

To be honest I am OK with scratching my head because hopefully that means Stearns is trying to get ahead of times and not planning to win in the future with the current model. Too many teams are getting stuck trying to win by the ways of yesteryear.

 

I'm with you on this. The idea of finding undervalued assets is to find them before anyone else realizes their true value. When everyone else finds out it will no longer will be undervalued. Those who follow the trend are behind the trendsetters by definition. A baseball team like ours cannot afford to be behind trendsetters.

[gregmag]

And we haven't even added Lucroy's mega haul or our Top 5 pick from next June. A lot to be looking forward to.

I was just about to say . . . we seem to have worked this deal over pretty well. MORE TRADES!

[reillymcshane]

Mass Hass posted this link on the media page:

 

http://m.mlb.com/video/v533882683/gm-stearns-breaks-down-the-brewers-newest-additions

 

It's Stearns talking about the trade. Nice and short and to the point.

[Jenkins5]

http://m.brewers.mlb.com/news/article/159232202/brewers-trade-adam-lind-to-mariners

 

"Whenever you acquire players who are farther away, there is more variability," Stearns said. "In a deal like this, we are really targeting that type of variability to find an impact-type pitcher, even if it is multiple years down the road.

 

"We had conversations with multiple teams about players at all different levels ... including at the Major League level for Adam Lind, and ultimately we felt like this was the best package of total value that we could get back."

 

In Stearns I trust! Honestly, watching Missaki pitch, reading about his stuff, and looking at him build.....He is Zach Davies 2.0.

 

I think Carlos Herrera compares extremely well to Carlos Luna. Size, age, performance.

 

Not sure who I would compare Peralta two. He is a smaller guy, who has the most velocity. If he can get it up to 93-95 range consistently out of the pen. He may have a good role there. I don't know enough about him to really assess though.

 

Overall DS simply felt these were a better package with the most total value than maybe just Peterson head up (if that was one of the Mariners offers). We don't know what all the offers were but they know far more about every player than we do so I trust their decisions. So far, we can start to judge DS in about 2-3 on his trades

[jerichoholicninja]

What kind of ceiling do these guys have? From what I've read here I see Davies or bullpen. That's of course if they become anything at all. If there really were 20 or so teams interested in Lind I can't believe this is the best offer they got. This trade just seems like trying to be cute and overthinking.

 

I will say that I like the K and BB numbers I see from these guys but they're high schoolers playing against other high schoolers, not much you can really take from that.

[craigharmann]

And we haven't even added Lucroy's mega haul or our Top 5 pick from next June. A lot to be looking forward to.

I was just about to say . . . we seem to have worked this deal over pretty well. MORE TRADES!

 

Get what you can for Garza, Scooter, Seggy, Davis.....whatever will get you a return.

[NYChez]

I'd be interested to find out what percentage of MLB pitchers were top 30 prospects within their organization at ages 17-19.

[dlk9s]

I like it.

 

And just from seeing that short Stearns video, I'm really liking how our new GM talks and thinks. Didn't hear anything about grit or gamer in that explanation.

[StearnsFTW]

Mass Hass posted this link on the media page:

 

http://m.mlb.com/video/v533882683/gm-stearns-breaks-down-the-brewers-newest-additions

 

It's Stearns talking about the trade. Nice and short and to the point.

 

Music to my ears.

[SRB]

International signings who are teenagers are rarely ranked very high unless they are marquee prospects like Lara ($3M+ signing bonus).

It sounds like these guys, or at least 1-2 of them, are a step below a guy like Marcos Diplan. Diplan signed for $1.3M, I think at least one of these guys was closer to $800k.

 

Does that mean they're not good? Well, by some accounts Diplan has ace upside and he is currently our #21 prospect according to MLB. The truth is it will take a few years to see whether these guys are busts or are the future generation of top prospects.

 

I trust absolutely nothing I read about them, from BA or otherwise. The fact of the matter is we just don't know. Have to trust in Stearns and our scouting department. It's worth noting that he had other offers on the table, so this wasn't an instance of taking the first thing that came to us.

[RobertR]

Hopefully the money saved from the Lind trade can be used to sign some international prospects.

 

Otherwise it's your basic trade of an established player for some lottery tickets. Overall I believe lottery tickets are a bad investment but we'll see.

[yfinn6]

From the Baseball America article posted by reillymcshane above...

 

None of the three pitchers the Brewers received are prominent prospects and all three might not even make the Brewers’ Top 30, but then, they have a very deep system.

 

Amazing thing to read given where things stood just a short year ago. Shorter than that really.

 

And we haven't even added Lucroy's mega haul or our Top 5 pick from next June. A lot to be looking forward to.

 

I was talking to a good friend of mine who follows the Brewers as close as I do, and we both agreed that we were finally excited about the Brewers after being pretty 'meh' the last few years. Losing a bunch of games won't bother me in the slightest if I know there is light at the end of the tunnel.

[3and2Fastball]

 

I was talking to a good friend of mine who follows the Brewers as close as I do, and we both agreed that we were finally excited about the Brewers after being pretty 'meh' the last few years. Losing a bunch of games won't bother me in the slightest if I know there is light at the end of the tunnel.

 

I wholeheartedly join you with that sentiment. It has been a long long time since I was this optimistic and excited about the future of the Milwaukee Brewers

[reillymcshane]

From the Baseball America article posted by reillymcshane above...

 

None of the three pitchers the Brewers received are prominent prospects and all three might not even make the Brewers’ Top 30, but then, they have a very deep system.

 

Amazing thing to read given where things stood just a short year ago. Shorter than that really.

I'm a big believer in trying to acquire 'impact' potential players, but for Milwaukee, it's also critical that we have quantity.

 

Milwaukee has been killed by horrible depth in the system over the years. Playing clowns like Yuni at 1B - that sort of thing. Or running out to the mound the likes of Vinnie Chulk and a hundred other guys that should never have gotten onto our pitching staff.

 

We need depth quantity and quality. I don't just mean really good guys who are going to be stars (of course I want those guys), but guys who can come up from the minors and handle an extended time at a position or in the rotation. The Cardinals seem to do this really well. Grichuk, Piscotty, Pham - they all came up last year and played key roles in helping the team win 100 games. And only one of them was a Top 100 prospect type.

 

We've also been killed by overpaying for starting pitching that is mediocre and often aging (and it rarely turns out well). It means we go through Suppan, Wolf, Lohse, Garza. Some of those years are okay, but they often turn ugly. And then we're stuck paying these guys far too much money.

 

We need to produce more 'average' type guys like this ourselves - getting the guys in their prime and at lower salaries.

 

To do all of this, we need to crank out lots of players. Remember, players fail more than they succeed. That's why if you need a starter, you should be developing 4-5 guys to find who will fit in that one slot.

 

Ideally, we develop the majority of our players from within and via trade. You can still fill a hole or two via free agency or with a trade from our depth, but you aren't relying on FA like we have in the past.

 

That's why the depth of the organization is crucial to making this a winning team down the road. And it's great to hear others, like Baseball America, feel that we are getting to be a deep system.

 

This is the type of deal that provides a lot of depth. Maybe these guys won't be great players, but they have a chance to develop into something decent.

[Jenkins5]

What kind of ceiling do these guys have? From what I've read here I see Davies or bullpen. That's of course if they become anything at all. If there really were 20 or so teams interested in Lind I can't believe this is the best offer they got. This trade just seems like trying to be cute and overthinking.

 

I will say that I like the K and BB numbers I see from these guys but they're high schoolers playing against other high schoolers, not much you can really take from that.

 

Missaki I think ceiling is that of Davies. He will always be a small human being, never be a power arm but flat out knows how to pitch.

Peralta I have no clue on. Herrera I think is the most exciting of the group. As I mentioned before, we should be just as excited for him as Luna. At 17 with a projectable body throwing hitting low 90's, you have the opportunity to really take off.

 

No need to get caught up in ratings. As everyone has said, international signings are usually not ranked very high unless they are big bonus babies with ton of hype. Mallen, Pierre, Otano, Segovia, Luna, Perry, and a whole bunch more right now are not top 30 guys however they all very well could be in the next year or two. Unless you have signing hype or draft hype, you are not getting love.

[Thurston Fluff]

What kind of ceiling do these guys have? From what I've read here I see Davies or bullpen. That's of course if they become anything at all. If there really were 20 or so teams interested in Lind I can't believe this is the best offer they got. This trade just seems like trying to be cute and overthinking.

 

I will say that I like the K and BB numbers I see from these guys but they're high schoolers playing against other high schoolers, not much you can really take from that.

 

If it's true that these players are 5th starter, bullpen types that would be the second time in a little over a year that he was traded for that. That is pretty telling of what his true value is.

[Lee16]

I would really love to see what other offers we had on the table for Lind. I get the whole thing about restocking the farm, but you have to win at least a few games over the next 3 or 4 years, don't you?

 

This deal...I don't know. I imagine the conversation ended with Stearns saying, "Okay, paperwork is submitted, remember you agreed you owe us one on the next deal, right? Right? Hello?"

[bill hAll Star]

I get the whole thing about restocking the farm, but you have to win at least a few games over the next 3 or 4 years, don't you?

 

Were the Cubs still lamenting their crappy 2013 record during the playoffs this year, or were they happy to have Kyle Hendricks as the #4 starter all season because they traded away Ryan Dempster in 2012?

[RobertR]

I get the whole thing about restocking the farm, but you have to win at least a few games over the next 3 or 4 years, don't you?

 

Were the Cubs still lamenting their crappy 2013 record during the playoffs this year, or were they happy to have Kyle Hendricks as the #4 starter all season because they traded away Ryan Dempster in 2012?

 

We shouldn't assume that things will work out as well or as quickly as the Cubs.